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[ReiSilver]

Teknor wrote...

Women deserve to be punched as much as men do.

Which is they don't 'deserve' to be punched. At all. No one deserves to be assaulted unless they are physically attacking you or someone else. I don't care if you think 'any servicemen would do the same.' you don't have the right to sucker punch someone just because they say mean spirited, hurtful or untrue things.
Punching Al'jiani should never have become a running gag and the attitude you see perpetuated here in this thread is the reason why, fostering the attitude of 'well she deserved it, didn't she?'. I'm sure bioware didn't intend to foster that kind of attitude but there it is.

[Katamariguy]

It's much more satisfying to charm/ intimidate her. If you hit her a second time she actually seems satisfying that you did so.

[Eddo36]

ReiSilver wrote...

Teknor wrote...

Women deserve to be punched as much as men do.

Which is they don't 'deserve' to be punched. At all. No one deserves to be assaulted unless they are physically attacking you or someone else. I don't care if you think 'any servicemen would do the same.' you don't have the right to sucker punch someone just because they say mean spirited, hurtful or untrue things.
Punching Al'jiani should never have become a running gag and the attitude you see perpetuated here in this thread is the reason why, fostering the attitude of 'well she deserved it, didn't she?'. I'm sure bioware didn't intend to foster that kind of attitude but there it is.

I think this the OP intended this topic to be that it was wrong to punch her because she's a woman, that's it. Otherwise it would be about why it's wrong to punch/shoot Conrad Verner and the 1000 other renegade choices in the games.

Modifié par Eddo36, 04 janvier 2011 - 10:24 .

[Bourne Endeavor]

For those claiming she could sue, there would be punishment and etc. No, no there would not. Shepard is a Spectre, whom is above the law. She could do nothing more than attempt to further rub your name in the mud. There are numerous instances where you can be heavily more violent and no repercussions are had.

- Threaten Conrad with a gun
- Actually shoot him
- Shoot and kill your former gang leader (if you have a Ruthless background). A Turian is impressed by this.
- Force a Batarian to drink poison

And this is devoid of all the endless firefights you have at the Citadel. Shepard is virtually untouchable. In any event, it is a game. If the option bothers you to such a degree, then by all means. Choose to walk the high ground. I am partially surprised by the display of knightly honor in this thread. I can only conclude none of you have played GTA or games with similar content. Punching a woman? You can go on a city wide massacre. I would certainly hope that is perceived as worse than punching a woman. Hell play pure evil in Jade Empire. The torment and horror you can subject civilians to is nigh astonishing. Even pure Renegade is pretty violent.

In regards to real life. Equality is what it is. No individual has the right to harm another. Whether or not the added grapefruits are up top or down below does not alter the aforementioned. I adhere to a simple rule. You hit me and I will hit you back. Preferably, I should not have to hit anyone but I have every right to defend myself.

Modifié par Bourne Endeavor, 04 janvier 2011 - 11:03 .

[CroGamer002]

Nobody is insane to arrest a Specter, ex or reinstated.

[Aurica]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...
In regards to real life. Equality is what it is. No individual has the right to harm another. Whether or not the added grapefruits are up top or down below does not alter the aforementioned. I adhere to a simple rule. You hit me and I will hit you back. Preferably, I should not have to hit anyone but I have every right to defend myself.

Indeed.  In some modern societies that I know of.  If you pick the civil route, people will see you as weak and continue to cross that line.  The only way to get them to stop is to react violently that sends a clear message that you are not to be ***** with. 

What Shepard is doing by punching her... seems rather mild compared to alot of the other things he/she does. 

Modifié par Aurica, 04 janvier 2011 - 11:33 .

[Amyntas]

I don't even think it's only about her gender. If the reporter was male it would still seem like a dick move, and totally unwarranted. But as others have mentioned, it's a joke.

[Zulu_DFA]

Agreed, OP.



The renegade interrups that are there just for the lulz ruin the idea of the Renegade.

[FlintlockJazz]

ReiSilver wrote...

Teknor wrote...

Women deserve to be punched as much as men do.

Which is they don't 'deserve' to be punched. At all. No one deserves to be assaulted unless they are physically attacking you or someone else. I don't care if you think 'any servicemen would do the same.' you don't have the right to sucker punch someone just because they say mean spirited, hurtful or untrue things.
Punching Al'jiani should never have become a running gag and the attitude you see perpetuated here in this thread is the reason why, fostering the attitude of 'well she deserved it, didn't she?'. I'm sure bioware didn't intend to foster that kind of attitude but there it is.

She is insulting the memory of all those soldiers who gave their lives so that people like her can live for personal profit, and she is doing it by trying to pin the blame on you again for personal profit.  She is trying to destroy your credibility and reputation for her own gain.  There are consequences to all our actions and if she is willing to do that then she should be willing to be punched as a consequence of that, and her reaction shows that she is willing to capitalise on it. 

I would never punch her simply because she would use it to increase her ratings, but that doesn't mean that she doesn't deserve it.  Consequences: if you act like a dick then you should expect to be treated like a dick.  Just because you use words to attack someone doesn't mean that you are not attacking them, nor does it mean people can't use violence as a retaliation.  If a politician orders people to be round up and shot does that mean that retaliators can't shoot him because he himself has not personally killed anyone?  Jilani's actions can lead to people being lynched, riots, etc, by stiring things up for ratings, and probably has done.  She is the worst kind of scum, the ones who hid behind words.

[Xilizhra]

She is the worst kind of scum, the ones who hid behind words.

I dunno, I've met worse scum every time I step off the Normandy. Most of the people trying to kill me instead of just insult me, for instance.

[FlintlockJazz]

Xilizhra wrote...

She is the worst kind of scum, the ones who hid behind words.

I dunno, I've met worse scum every time I step off the Normandy. Most of the people trying to kill me instead of just insult me, for instance.

At least they have the guts to take you on, whether for a cause or even just for money.  She tries to ruin you for personal profit but lacks the guts to fight anyone.  She is as bad as those politicians that screw people over for self-gain.

[Xilizhra]

FlintlockJazz wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

She is the worst kind of scum, the ones who hid behind words.

I dunno, I've met worse scum every time I step off the Normandy. Most of the people trying to kill me instead of just insult me, for instance.

At least they have the guts to take you on, whether for a cause or even just for money.  She tries to ruin you for personal profit but lacks the guts to fight anyone.  She is as bad as those politicians that screw people over for self-gain.

Yes, having the stomach for attempted murder is a positive thing now. If everyone I faced on my missions was like al-Jilani instead of what they are, the galaxy would be a much nicer place.

[marshalleck]

I think FlintlockJazz is just aggro because al-Jilani can run mental laps around his Shepard. It's pretty telling that if Shepard doesn't outwit her himself, he'll just resort to thuggish bonehead caveman violence.

Modifié par marshalleck, 04 janvier 2011 - 01:13 .

[Stengahpolis]

There's people like her in real life, people who you really just want to knock the crap out of, but don't because of the reasons discussed here.  However, this is a video game, so you can.  Hitting her made some sense in ME1 and in the second game it's more of a running gag.  Hell, in lotsb there's video of her getting hit by a krogan and a volus.

[marshalleck]

ReiSilver wrote...

Teknor wrote...

Women deserve to be punched as much as men do.

Which is they don't 'deserve' to be punched. At all. No one deserves to be assaulted unless they are physically attacking you or someone else. I don't care if you think 'any servicemen would do the same.' you don't have the right to sucker punch someone just because they say mean spirited, hurtful or untrue things.
Punching Al'jiani should never have become a running gag and the attitude you see perpetuated here in this thread is the reason why, fostering the attitude of 'well she deserved it, didn't she?'. I'm sure bioware didn't intend to foster that kind of attitude but there it is.

It's the attitude of grade school bullies picking on kids they feel threatened by, the ones that are obviously more intelligent and likely to be successful in the future. "Oh yeah, think you're smarter than me? How about I knock your teeth out! How smart are you now, fa**ot?" 

A very American attitude, I must say. 

[marshalleck]

Stengahpolis wrote...
  Hell, in lotsb there's video of her getting hit by a krogan and a volus.

I saw the krogan video, but a volus? Oh my, I missed that. 

[Bourne Endeavor]

FlintlockJazz wrote...

At least they have the guts to take you on, whether for a cause or even just for money. She tries to ruin you for personal profit but lacks the guts to fight anyone. She is as bad as those politicians that screw people over for self-gain.

You are misconstruing the fundamental between deserving repercussions for your actions and your right as an individual to carry them out. I could go on a vocal tangent that would range for insults directed upon you personally to soldiers of our Country. It would be a despicable and egregious act and I doubt any within the sound of my voice would not believe I deserve to be punched; some might desire a harsher punishment. Despite this, you still do not have the right to assault me and were you to do so. I could sue you both for medical damage and any pain associated with the injury.

Every paparazzi in the known world is probably on the figurative "wish they would die" list of actors and actresses. A few have assaulted them... and those paparazzi were quick to sue. If this were real life, that would be the end result for Shepard, regardless of the circumstances.

Fortunately, this is a video game and real life crimes are marginalized or glorified. Therefore, you are well within your right to break her nose and gouge out her eyes (if the game allowed that degree of violence) if you so desire.

And this is widely off topic and has nothing to do with Mass Effect. So why not drop it? Locky Pacifien? Pretty Please?

Modifié par Bourne Endeavor, 04 janvier 2011 - 01:24 .

[Xilizhra]

marshalleck wrote...

Stengahpolis wrote...
  Hell, in lotsb there's video of her getting hit by a krogan and a volus.

I saw the krogan video, but a volus? Oh my, I missed that. 

Also making out with an asari.

[snfonseka]

My Shep is a spectre, so "no problemo". Anyway my Shep was in bad mood at that time because he talked to Anderson few minutes ago and found out that Council is not believing him, again.

[didymos1120]

marshalleck wrote...

Stengahpolis wrote...
  Hell, in lotsb there's video of her getting hit by a krogan and a volus.

I saw the krogan video, but a volus? Oh my, I missed that. 

Best shin-splint EVAR! 

Modifié par didymos1120, 04 janvier 2011 - 01:36 .

[marshalleck]

Hah, way to go, you rotund little man.

Modifié par marshalleck, 04 janvier 2011 - 01:40 .

[FlintlockJazz]

marshalleck wrote...

I think FlintlockJazz is just aggro because al-Jilani can run mental laps around his Shepard. It's pretty telling that if Shepard doesn't outwit her himself, he'll just resort to thuggish bonehead caveman violence.

I never punch her because that is playing into her trap, as I stated in my first post if you read it.  I have no problem mentally destroying her arguments, I just understand the desire to punch her.  Maybe I just understand that emotional bullying can be more damaging than physical bullying sometimes...

[Xilizhra]

Emotional bullying can be more damaging than physical bullying, I admit. Emotional bullying is rarely, however, more damaging than being shot in the head.

[FlintlockJazz]

Xilizhra wrote...

Yes, having the stomach for attempted murder is a positive thing now. If everyone I faced on my missions was like al-Jilani instead of what they are, the galaxy would be a much nicer place.

Did I say attempted murder is a positive thing now?  No I didn't, I said that she lacked the guts to use it, not that it was good.  She is still trying to destroy your character for her personal gain, but she also hides behind rules and laws while doing so.  Those trying to kill you are at least putting their lives on the line in doing so, she's not willing to do that but she is willing to destroy people's reputation and incite hatred, ergo scum.

[marshalleck]

FlintlockJazz wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

I think FlintlockJazz is just aggro because al-Jilani can run mental laps around his Shepard. It's pretty telling that if Shepard doesn't outwit her himself, he'll just resort to thuggish bonehead caveman violence.

I never punch her because that is playing into her trap, as I stated in my first post if you read it.  I have no problem mentally destroying her arguments, I just understand the desire to punch her.  Maybe I just understand that emotional bullying can be more damaging than physical bullying sometimes...

I did read it and I know you said you don't hit her, I was talking about the options available to Shepard. You either outwit her, let her talk circles around you, or knock her lights out.