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didymos1120 wrote...

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The Alliance could courtmartial and disavow him which will definitely impair his popularity in human colonies.  After all he is still considered and Alliance commander since he hasn't been discharged. He got special dispensation to be a council spectre. It may be mostly symbolic, but it would hurt him in tangible ways.


Right, 'cause that's exactly the sort of thing the Alliance would want to do to the first human Spectre.  And in ME2, just no: Shep ain't Alliance anymore, and will explicitly say so during Tali's loyalty mission.


Yeah that's Shepard's take, but the Alliance could have a different one. They had him legally decalred MIA or dead so they can simply reinstate him. My renegade is an ex-spectre so how is it bad PR for humanity and alliance if they cut ties to Shepard? There is also a little wggle room in that Cerberus may still be a black ops of Alliance type deal.

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I picked the renegade option (left mouse) when being interviewed by Khalisa-al-Jilani and Shep just clocked her doing quite the damage to her face with blood. Male on female violence and on camera from a well-known reporter. This makes absolutely no sense.

He is an ex-spectre on a galaxy saving mission that could quite possibly be arrested on Citadel for those actions. Well maybe the Illusive man or Anderson would bail him out. I don't care how renegade Shep is supposed to be there is no context for the action.

I didn't like her treatment of Shepard in both games, but would never do that.

Anybody think this is entirely apropriate?


She wasn't in the kitchen where she was supposed to be so your argument is invalid.

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Personally I find hitting girls abhorrent and wrong, unless in self defense. I don't even find it particularly funny, but that's just me; I can still see the humour involved.

I find it funnier to wait till after the interrupt and take the option where shep lists the names of each Alliance ship lost, says he remembers all of them and their crew, and that she's insulting everyone who gave their lives in that battle. Much more fun than just smacking her- it makes her look awful, which is to me the best way to fight that kind of reporter...

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So there is no issue with Shep knocking Conrad around or even shooting him but there is with this reporter? It doesn't bother me a bit that this is in the game but I have only done it once just to see it. I have always thought that she is doing it on purpose just so you will hit her. Better ratings that way.

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**** deserved it, lol. reporting with a biased agenda, what a fake journalist.

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Khalisah Bint Sinan Al-Jilani



I love how they continue the staple of news reporters having long multi-ethnic names.

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aryon69 wrote...

So there is no issue with Shep knocking Conrad around or even shooting him but there is with this reporter? It doesn't bother me a bit that this is in the game but I have only done it once just to see it. I have always thought that she is doing it on purpose just so you will hit her. Better ratings that way.



Don't forget Manuel in ME1, Archer, and Garrus socks Fade so OP has so much gratuitous violence to loose sleep over oh the horror! Actually god of war is worse the topless Medusa girls have only one way of killing them getting behind them and ripping off their heads, the blood, the twitching body how horrendous... but I think this thread is only concerned for the poor female reporter but man violence is totally OK with OP's double standards. actually I don't look that much into it even in life, I punch them if they deserve it (which 99% don't) or I ignore them.

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Araethuiel wrote...

Personally I find hitting girls abhorrent and wrong, unless in self defense. I don't even find it particularly funny, but that's just me; I can still see the humour involved.
I find it funnier to wait till after the interrupt and take the option where shep lists the names of each Alliance ship lost, says he remembers all of them and their crew, and that she's insulting everyone who gave their lives in that battle. Much more fun than just smacking her- it makes her look awful, which is to me the best way to fight that kind of reporter...


If they lost that one interrupt I wouldn't lose sleep over it. Yeah it makes much more sense to act with decorum while being filmed not matter how big an @**  Shepard is. Many thought  Al Capone and Hitler were great guys at the time. Even evil people act differently in public . It makes no sense to act in such a manner for Shepard no matter how corrupt or immoral he or she may be.

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Destroy Raiden wrote...

aryon69 wrote...

So there is no issue with Shep knocking Conrad around or even shooting him but there is with this reporter? It doesn't bother me a bit that this is in the game but I have only done it once just to see it. I have always thought that she is doing it on purpose just so you will hit her. Better ratings that way.



Don't forget Manuel in ME1, Archer, and Garrus socks Fade so OP has so much gratuitous violence to loose sleep over oh the horror! Actually god of war is worse the topless Medusa girls have only one way of killing them getting behind them and ripping off their heads, the blood, the twitching body how horrendous... but I think this thread is only concerned for the poor female reporter but man violence is totally OK with OP's double standards. actually I don't look that much into it even in life, I punch them if they deserve it (which 99% don't) or I ignore them.


Nothing else in the game bothers me. Just the part about a trained military biotic cyborg sucker punching a defenseless woman on a live Citadel News show. The rest were scum or in the case of Verner to save his life because he was mentally deficient (I assume Image IPB). You don't get to control Garrus so that is moot. I was talking about actions of Commander Shepard.

Is ME2 God of War? No. We are not discussing any other game but Mass Effect.

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She's asking for it, the fact that she's a woman and shepard (potentially) is a man is beside the point.

Wether it was appropriate or not isn't relevant I think. It might have been for the ME1, but it's now become a gag more than anything. Alliance military does make it clear in Me1 that it isn't acceptable, obviously though they can't touch shepard at that point. And as mentioned, she gets hit by a krogan and a volus as well. :P

You can be sure she'll be back in ME3. She should do her interviews with a hockey mask.

I have been hoping that if you take the punch options in ME1&2 this will happen
Shep: -swings at Jillani but she dodges it- :o
Jillani: Please, after two time I le-gets socked in the gut by Shepard-
Shep: dodge that.

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Modifié par Sajuro, 12 janvier 2011 - 05:12 .


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InvincibleHero wrote...

Destroy Raiden wrote...

aryon69 wrote...

So there is no issue with Shep knocking Conrad around or even shooting him but there is with this reporter? It doesn't bother me a bit that this is in the game but I have only done it once just to see it. I have always thought that she is doing it on purpose just so you will hit her. Better ratings that way.



Don't forget Manuel in ME1, Archer, and Garrus socks Fade so OP has so much gratuitous violence to loose sleep over oh the horror! Actually god of war is worse the topless Medusa girls have only one way of killing them getting behind them and ripping off their heads, the blood, the twitching body how horrendous... but I think this thread is only concerned for the poor female reporter but man violence is totally OK with OP's double standards. actually I don't look that much into it even in life, I punch them if they deserve it (which 99% don't) or I ignore them.


Nothing else in the game bothers me. Just the part about a trained military biotic cyborg sucker punching a defenseless woman on a live Citadel News show. The rest were scum or in the case of Verner to save his life because he was mentally deficient (I assume Image IPB). You don't get to control Garrus so that is moot. I was talking about actions of Commander Shepard.

Is ME2 God of War? No. We are not discussing any other game but Mass Effect.


I can't tell you how flawed I find your logic to be.  That to fire a round from a pistol at Verner -- to save his life (can't forget that) -- is ok?  Why?  Because he's male?  Then the added bit because he's mentally deficient.  Then it's doubly ok, correct?  If you're a cop turn in your badge because I don't find you fit to "protect" anyone.

Modifié par Xeranx, 12 janvier 2011 - 05:39 .


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The Mass Effect universe is all about equal rights. Women and men serve alongside in the military, and both have the equal right to be punched in the face by Shepard. Sheesh, stop being a sexist and thinking that women are frail and weak.

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I'm still trying to figure out why he thinks knocking out a frail, mentally unstable but total non-threat scientist is just fine and dandy.

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Shepard can do whatever he wants. Who in their right mind would try to incarcerate or otherwise hinder the only person capable of saving everything ever (the council i guess)? Shepard fights so that the future may hold others who keep their pimp hand strong, and that's as noble as one person can be in my book

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didymos1120 wrote...

I'm still trying to figure out why he thinks knocking out a frail, mentally unstable but total non-threat scientist is just fine and dandy.


Because the OP is SEXIST! He doesn't think women are equal to men; he suggests that they are inferior to them. Who's the bigot now?

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@ OP



LOL That reporter should count her lucky stars that I'm not allowed to do anything EXCEPT punch her.



You're on youw own there bud.



Plus she's a complete hypocrite if you finish Shadow Broker DLC and watch the surveillance movies then you know what I mean. In one movie shes kissing an Asari. Humans first huh? Yeah, my a**.

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It makes sense if that's who you want your shepard to be. Honestly if Shepard wasn't such an emotonless ice cube most of the time it would be very realistic to see an emotionally unstable shepard beat the **** out of a reporter who just disrespected him and all the men who died in the battle. It seems unrealistic because Shepard doesn't carry his emotions on himself so it does seem very random for him to just suddenly hit her.

Also if woman are serving alongside men in the front lines of war in the Mass Effect universe than there is o chance in hell there is even a sexist thought that is going through any of the characters heads. If a woman can be shot in the head in war than she can be punched in the face without the publics head exploding and the tabloids all reading "Woman Beater".

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Xeranx wrote...

InvincibleHero wrote...

Destroy Raiden wrote...

aryon69 wrote...

So there is no issue with Shep knocking Conrad around or even shooting him but there is with this reporter? It doesn't bother me a bit that this is in the game but I have only done it once just to see it. I have always thought that she is doing it on purpose just so you will hit her. Better ratings that way.



Don't forget Manuel in ME1, Archer, and Garrus socks Fade so OP has so much gratuitous violence to loose sleep over oh the horror! Actually god of war is worse the topless Medusa girls have only one way of killing them getting behind them and ripping off their heads, the blood, the twitching body how horrendous... but I think this thread is only concerned for the poor female reporter but man violence is totally OK with OP's double standards. actually I don't look that much into it even in life, I punch them if they deserve it (which 99% don't) or I ignore them.


Nothing else in the game bothers me. Just the part about a trained military biotic cyborg sucker punching a defenseless woman on a live Citadel News show. The rest were scum or in the case of Verner to save his life because he was mentally deficient (I assume Image IPB). You don't get to control Garrus so that is moot. I was talking about actions of Commander Shepard.

Is ME2 God of War? No. We are not discussing any other game but Mass Effect.


I can't tell you how flawed I find your logic to be.  That to fire a round from a pistol at Verner -- to save his life (can't forget that) -- is ok?  Why?  Because he's male?  Then the added bit because he's mentally deficient.  Then it's doubly ok, correct?  If you're a cop turn in your badge because I don't find you fit to "protect" anyone.


Verner was really hurt BTW not even a flesh wound. It bounced off his shoddy armor. He would have been screaming for a much longer time. It was also a renegade extreme action, but you saw no blood. Verner was armorer and there was context for the action. Not revenge or anger, but a twisted way of helping him. Another game caveat it wasn't against the law what he did in Omega to Verner. Council has no jurisdiction there. I stand by my argument renegade or not Shepard would not do something so stupid, and illegal on camera. Whether Verner is mentally deficient or not doesn't matter, Shepard has an important mission and he just wasn't listeing to reason. An extreme get the job guy might do something to scare the heck out of him to save his life. it worked didn't it. Obviously punching al-jilani did nothing to change her behavior as it was unwarrented.

This is all something a plausible  renegade Shepard might do. Verner is not military and could be killed causing his family to suffer and he faces no reprisal for doing it on Omega. He gets Verner out of bar where Asari barmaid was goign to kiill him so saves his life twice actually. it has a good reason. Punching al-Jilani can not be explained in any positive terms.

Where did I ever say I would act that way? If you're for punching female reporters just because you don't like what they say then you're the one that needs some self-examination or professional help.

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Spornicus wrote...

The Mass Effect universe is all about equal rights. Women and men serve alongside in the military, and both have the equal right to be punched in the face by Shepard. Sheesh, stop being a sexist and thinking that women are frail and weak.


ME universe equal rights. You're joking right. Image IPB Hmm council two males and one female Asari and since there are only female Asari well that's default. Human Alliance leaders Udina male, Anderson male, cannon Shepard male, XO Pressly male, Illusive man male, Wrex male Krogan leader, the admiral in charge of Quarians is male and admiralty board has more males than female. Do you sense a pattern? I could go on and on.

I missed it where are you guaranteed the right to punch any sex in the face? Right. I am not against women in the military in fact I play fem Sheps to get the full experience of the game.

Prove women are equal in physical metrics both in average and extremes. Come on I am waiting. There are always going to be vast differences in that purely by how we were created.

So your conclusion is it is sexist to think men shouldn't punch women? LOL Can't even dignify that.

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didymos1120 wrote...

I'm still trying to figure out why he thinks knocking out a frail, mentally unstable but total non-threat scientist is just fine and dandy.



Sorry I missed it. I would be happy to.

Jenkins was killed and everyone is jumpy. They don;t know the extent of th ehtreat and are only a team of three humans against an army of what. They don't rightly know.  

Manuel is babbling and acting crazy which could expose not only Shepard's team, but the surviving colonist to the threat. Shep is a veteran that has seen many humans get unhinged by the cruelties of war so he just pops him. Shepard said it best safer to incapacitate him until the sedative worked. Extreme but got the job done. Makes colonists and his team more secure= good motive. What benefit is there to hitting al-Jilani. None.

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I was actually going Sesame Street with this, but it turns out I'm cranky and my attention span is too short. So here's the short version.

1. Women are physically weaker than men.
2. Our society is NOT built on survival of the fittest, but rather on equal rights regardless of strength/fitness.

1+2= It's worse for a man to hit a woman than another man.

If this is still confusing you, think of it this way; Shepard would not get hit for saying the same thing the reporter is saying. This is because he is stronger than those who would want to hit him. If Shep hits a woman for saying the wrong thing, that means The Stronger One (Shepard) ultimately decides what is the wrong thing to say and The Weaker One (reporter) has to oblige to his rule. You can't really say that it's okay since a strong man would also get hit for saying the same thing because in reality, he wouldn't. You don't pick a fight with someone significantly stronger than yourself, and if you did you would loose anyway.

Trying to argue gender equality as a reason for men hitting women is.. well, let's just call it wrong and no one needs to get banned.

OP; I appreciate what you're saying, and I hope you don't expect to get too many people agreeing with you. That's just not where society is at the moment.

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InvincibleHero wrote...

Verner was really hurt BTW not even a flesh wound. It bounced off his shoddy armor. He would have been screaming for a much longer time. It was also a renegade extreme action, but you saw no blood. Verner was armorer and there was context for the action. Not revenge or anger, but a twisted way of helping him. Another game caveat it wasn't against the law what he did in Omega to Verner. Council has no jurisdiction there. I stand by my argument renegade or not Shepard would not do something so stupid, and illegal on camera. Whether Verner is mentally deficient or not doesn't matter, Shepard has an important mission and he just wasn't listeing to reason. An extreme get the job guy might do something to scare the heck out of him to save his life. it worked didn't it. Obviously punching al-jilani did nothing to change her behavior as it was unwarrented.

This is all something a plausible  renegade Shepard might do. Verner is not military and could be killed causing his family to suffer and he faces no reprisal for doing it on Omega. He gets Verner out of bar where Asari barmaid was goign to kiill him so saves his life twice actually. it has a good reason. Punching al-Jilani can not be explained in any positive terms.

Where did I ever say I would act that way? If you're for punching female reporters just because you don't like what they say then you're the one that needs some self-examination or professional help.


Nice try at a reversal.  It doesn't work.  You tried putting words in someone else's mouth about a statement regarding equality by using babies to reverse the argument on them when anyone could see that blatant tactic.  But no, I never said I was for punching female reporters regardless of what they say.  I've never done it in game.  I'm against your view that firing a bullet at Conrad Verner is certainly more ideal because he's male.  Nevermind being on camera that's just something you don't do.  You don't fire a weapon off at an individual that doesn't represent a threat to you.  I could lie to Verner (though it's regarded as a renegade choice) and get him to stop that way.  Absolutely no need for firing a round to "save his life" because he's mentally deficient.  If the roles were reversed so that Conrad were the reporter and Al-jilani was the Shepard fanatic and choices were presented the same would you find firing the shot and hitting Conrad acceptable?

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If you're openly antagonistic toward someone expect confrontation, regardless of gender or size disparity. I'd hit someone again if afterward they told me, "You can't hit me, you're a guy!" or "You can't hit me, you're bigger!".

It doesn't matter if Shepard is trained or enhanced physically. Do you really think that Shepard put 100% into that punch? The guy who can b****-slap krogan into submission punches a reporter with apparently full-force and she gets up and starts talking like nothing happened, no blood, bruises or broken bones? Not likely.

The lesson here shouldn't be when it's appropriate to punch someone, it should be don't be a jack*** and it won't matter.

That said I punch her every time in both games. But I also kill, maim or execute everyone I can and STILL be Paragon by a large margin. :police:

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First off, the simple answer as to why it's there is because, as Admiral Ackbar would say, IT's A TRAP!  She's trying to make you look bad and punching her achieves this, it's whether you fall for it or not, that's the simple reason it's there. 

InvincibleHero wrote...
ME universe equal rights. You're joking right. Image IPB Hmm council two males and one female Asari and since there are only female Asari well that's default. Human Alliance leaders Udina male, Anderson male, cannon Shepard male, XO Pressly male, Illusive man male, Wrex male Krogan leader, the admiral in charge of Quarians is male and admiralty board has more males than female. Do you sense a pattern? I could go on and on.


As for this, the council only has one female because Bioware did not have the resources to make female versions of those characters, simple as that.  Seriously, have you not noticed that there are no females of any race other than the asari (who only have the one gender) and the Quarians (of whom we only had males show up for the first time in ME2, in ME1 you only see female Quarians and that was because you had a female Quarian squad member)? 

As for the human leaders, Udina is a politician not a military man so that has nothing whatsoever to do with it, and his predecessor was a woman.  Forget canon Shep, he can be either gender, and was for marketing reasons.  Anderson is one captain, possible councillor or admiral in me2 depending on choice made, you'd have been better served by saying Admiral Hackett instead.  Since you think captains count then I refer you to the fact that if you take the spacer background your mother Hannah Shepard is a captain in the Alliance and is offered a promotion to Admiralty in ME2 which she turns down.  Then there's Ashley Willams, serving in a position where brute strength is even more needed than the other positions needed as a foot soldier.

The Quarians are led by five admirals, not one, Rael had no more authority over the other four than they did over him.  The admiralty board had two females and two males (remember Shala-Raan is an admiral, she just didn't get to cast a vote due to personal issues) at the time, and while Tali's father was male(being her father) his successor may not be, and since it implies that Tali might be voted in as admiral that would move the ratio of male to female to the favour of female.

Krogans have issues with their females due to the genophage.  The fact that they have formed their own female-only clan which even Wrex has to listen to shows that they hold alot of power.

I too could go on and on.

As to men being stronger than women, mate the average man compared to the average woman isn't that different, and training trumps gender.  A trained military person of either gender is going to be significantly more powerful than a civvie of either gender.  Your issue should be that a military-trained person of either gender hit a civvie of either gender, not a gender one.  Oh, and if we are gonna get 'scientific' about gender differences, it has been shown that women have a significantly higher pain tolerance than men and are more flexible, therefore which gender has the advantage is not as straight forward as you might think.