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[Reidbynature]

Do we know if DA2 will have a better range of racial diversity?  I was dissapointed that Dragon Age, a game that seem to use elves as an allegory for black slavery and the treatment of native Americans lacks any black or asian people.  That and it's a fictional fantasy world that's not based on anywhere specific so it just seems thoughtless to the point of discriminaton to not include other ethnicities.  Not to mention that the character creator doesn't really let you make a black or asian character with its messed up colour settings.

Will this be changed for DA2?

[Eclipse_9990]

What is so weird about it? Sure its stupid the way most humans treat elves in Dragon Age. I mean I think we've all learned in elementary school that people are going to potentially treat you like **** if your different from them. Its called being a ***hole bigot, or just a ***hole...

As for it being changed... I'd say no.. I highly doubt it.

Modifié par Eclipse_9990, 04 janvier 2011 - 05:13 .

[YoziMaiden]

He's not really pointed out the treatment of elves, he's pointing out the lack of people who aren't white in the game. It would be nice to see a bit more racial diversity. Perhaps we will because the game is not set in Fereldan?

[Seagloom]

As I understand, the color palette has been tweaked for DA2. I could be wrong though. I usually choose at least slightly darker skin tones myself, so I can definitely feel your pain in that regard. However, it can be argued the lack of other visible ethnic groups and face modeling limitations were related to Origins taking place in Ferelden. I expect race variation would differ greatly were it set in Rivain. Either way I did not see it as discrimination. BioWare has usually done a decent job with racial diversity in NPCs and face creation. Considering they took all those complaints about the human noble origin to heart by making Hawke's family match the player's chosen skin color, I would say they are still cognizant of this.

[Inzhuna]

DA:O took place in Ferelden, which is an equivalent of medieval Britain (roughly). So it's pretty understandable most humans were white. There were asian NPCs by the way, e.g. Mother Mallol (in human noble origin). Also Duncan was from Rivain. Rivaini are quite dark-skinned people, maybe not the equivalent of Africans, though. I'm sure Thedas has a lot of races, as we can see from the map and from the codex entries. We just haven't seen all of them yet, because we haven't been told the stories about them. Saying that DA:O was discriminating is just plain silly.

edit: wrote Ferelden instead of Thedas. >.<

Modifié par Inzhuna, 04 janvier 2011 - 05:19 .

[Stanley Woo]

Reidbynature wrote...

Do we know if DA2 will have a better range of racial diversity?  I was dissapointed that Dragon Age, a game that seem to use elves as an allegory for black slavery and the treatment of native Americans lacks any black or asian people.

It can also be an allegory for the Jews, North-American Japanese during WWII, the poor, the Romani, Yu-Gi-Oh players or any other peoples segregated and ghettoized for reasons other than race.

That and it's a fictional fantasy world that's not based on anywhere specific so it just seems thoughtless to the point of discriminaton to not include other ethnicities.

We should include all real world ethnicities into a fictional fantasy world why, exactly? How does it fit into our fantasy setting, or are you trying to tell us what our fantasy setting should look like in order to be "fair"?

Not to mention that the character creator doesn't really let you make a black or asian character with its messed up colour settings.

Will this be changed for DA2?

You should probably play the game to find out. i have not yet met anyone who disliked a game because of "lack of racial diversity." Most folks will concentrate on story and gameplay, but what do I know? That's just my opinion.

[drahelvete]

I was under the impression that the elves were inspired by Romani and Jewish people?

The darker skin tones are supposed to look more natural in DA2.

Edit: Darn ninjadevs...

Modifié par drahelvete, 04 janvier 2011 - 05:21 .

[Eclipse_9990]

YoziMaiden wrote...

He's not really pointed out the treatment of elves, he's pointing out the lack of people who aren't white in the game. It would be nice to see a bit more racial diversity. Perhaps we will because the game is not set in Fereldan?

The lack of non whites? Ugh okay.. Aside from people from Rivain or the Chasind who are obviously not white...
Ferelden is a cold mountain country right? Would it make sense for the major population to be black or something? No it would not.

Besides isnt Ferelden, and by extension Kirkwall based on medieval england? I've never seen any paintings or portraits depicting a englishman from that time who was black..

Modifié par Eclipse_9990, 04 janvier 2011 - 05:22 .

[Dave of Canada]

Stanley Woo wrote...

It can also be an allegory for the Jews, North-American Japanese during WWII, the poor, the Romani, Yu-Gi-Oh players or any other peoples segregated and ghettoized for reasons other than race.

Thanks for the good laugh, Woo. I'll be keeping this quote for my Yu-Gi-Oh playing friend.

[henkez3]

It's a fantasy world, if the devs and story writers wanted to, they could make a game entirely without black people, or a world completly devoid of white people. It's a fantasy world, there doesn't have to be any diversity in skincolor at all.



If I made a fantasy world, would I be racist and discriminatory if I made the world without black people?

[ThatGamerWithSouvlaki285]

Reidbynature wrote...

Do we know if DA2 will have a better range of racial diversity?  I was dissapointed that Dragon Age, a game that seem to use elves as an allegory for black slavery and the treatment of native Americans lacks any black or asian people.  That and it's a fictional fantasy world that's not based on anywhere specific so it just seems thoughtless to the point of discriminaton to not include other ethnicities.  Not to mention that the character creator doesn't really let you make a black or asian character with its messed up colour settings.

Will this be changed for DA2?

I dont think this is an issue of racial descrimmination maybe its just an issue of time. If you look at history, Britain (which Ferelden is based on)  was prodominatly white until the 16 th cemtury and the age of exploration and slavery, due to the fact that all black people were in Affrica and asian people in Asia, and trasportation between contanent was rare.  It was only after the 16 th century that other races came into Britain and other countries and the great mixt of races had occured.

P.S i may have my dates wrong on this.

Modifié par steph285, 04 janvier 2011 - 05:35 .

[LURadio]

We should include all real world ethnicities into a fictional fantasy world why, exactly? How does it fit into our fantasy setting, or are you trying to tell us what our fantasy setting should look like in order to be "fair"?

I love Stanley's quote, it sums it up perfectly, why exactly in a fantasy world is racial diversity necessary ?? 

Is it because in the politically correct universe we live in today it has to be for some reason or another every race, tone, etc. HAS to be included.  Jeez......if BioWare wanted to make all of the characters purple, blue, and green that's their choice because it's their fantasy world that they created.  We want free choice yes, but there's only soo much that you can ask for.  I'd also like to point out that every single fantasy I've seen has mainly white protagonists and supporting cast.  In North America and Europe we tend to follow what I call the "Tolkein layout" of fantasy where everything is set a certain way.

I'm not saying that it's something I'm against in any way, I'm just looking at it realistically, why is it NECESSARY for them to do it in a fantasy landscape ??

Modifié par LURadio, 04 janvier 2011 - 05:31 .

[upsettingshorts]

Not every fantasy setting is a big continent that conveniently has a bunch of different cultures all living there...

The Thedas we know so far is vaguely, basically, and not without exceptions inspired by Europe and Anatolia.

[Eclipse_9990]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Not every fantasy setting is a big continent that conveniently has a bunch of different cultures all living there...
 

Ugh.. Oblivion...

[Maria Caliban]

henkez3 wrote...

If I made a fantasy world, would I be racist and discriminatory if I made the world without black people?

It would probably be racism if you didn't include any racial minorities. You don't have to be racist to contribute to racism.

[Stanley Woo]

LURadio wrote...

We should include all real world ethnicities into a fictional fantasy world why, exactly? How does it fit into our fantasy setting, or are you trying to tell us what our fantasy setting should look like in order to be "fair"?

I love Stanley's quote, it sums it up perfectly, why exactly in a fantasy world is racial diversity necessary ?? 

Is it because in the politically correct universe we live in today it has to be for some reason or another every race, tone, etc. HAS to be included.  Jeez......if BioWare wanted to make all of the characters purple, blue, and green that's their choice because it's their fantasy world that they created.  We want free choice yes, but there's only soo much that you can ask for.  I'd also like to point out that every single fantasy I've seen has mainly white protagonists and supporting cast.  In North America and Europe we tend to follow what I call the "Tolkein layout" of fantasy where everything is set a certain way.

I'm not saying that it's something I'm against in any way, I'm just looking at it realistically, why is it NECESSARY for them to do it in a fantasy landscape ??

The bolded part reflects my precise thoughts on it. Would it be cool, neat or interesting? Sure it would. Could it look pretty awesome? Absolutely, since if we decided to do it, we would take the time and care necessary to make it look as good as possible. Is it necessary for our game world to function, our story to play out, or our game to be good? No, it isn't.

[Eclipse_9990]

Maria Caliban wrote...

henkez3 wrote...

If I made a fantasy world, would I be racist and discriminatory if I made the world without black people?

It would probably be racism if you didn't include any racial minorities. You don't have to be racist to contribute to racism.

Look I'm all for equality and not judging people for stuff they can't control. But it is pretty ridiculous and stupid to get bent out of shape just because someone made a fantasy world with characters that dont happen to share the same pigmentation as you.

I mean if they decided to make most people in Dragon Age black or asian I wouldnt start shouting racism or some crap.

Modifié par Eclipse_9990, 04 janvier 2011 - 05:43 .

[Ortaya Alevli]

I wonder how many races a game should include in order to avoid any accusation of racism. I mean, do we have a consensus on that or anything?

[Tinxa]

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

henkez3 wrote...

If I made a fantasy world, would I be racist and discriminatory if I made the world without black people?

It would probably be racism if you didn't include any racial minorities. You don't have to be racist to contribute to racism.

Look I'm all for equality and not judging people for stuff they can't control. But it is pretty ridiculous and stupid to get bent out of shape just because someone made a fantasy world with characters that dont happen to share the same pigmentation as you.

I mean if they decided to make most people in Dragon Age black or asian I wouldnt start shouting racism or some crap.

I do wonder how many people complained about the lack of white and black people in Jade empire???

[Herr Uhl]

Tinxa wrote...

I do wonder how many people complained about the lack of white and black people in Jade empire???

There was one white guy.

[upsettingshorts]

Herr Uhl wrote...

There was one white guy.

Voiced by John Cleese!

[Eclipse_9990]

Tinxa wrote...

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

henkez3 wrote...

If I made a fantasy world, would I be racist and discriminatory if I made the world without black people?

It would probably be racism if you didn't include any racial minorities. You don't have to be racist to contribute to racism.

Look I'm all for equality and not judging people for stuff they can't control. But it is pretty ridiculous and stupid to get bent out of shape just because someone made a fantasy world with characters that dont happen to share the same pigmentation as you.

I mean if they decided to make most people in Dragon Age black or asian I wouldnt start shouting racism or some crap.

I do wonder how many people complained about the lack of white and black people in Jade empire???

Nobody.. Except idiots..

[Reidbynature]

Thanks to YoziMaiden, Seagloom and all the rest who answered.  There are some posts I want to reply to as there are some good points on all sides, but I'm spending most of this post on the following reply.

Stanley Woo wrote...

It can also be an allegory for the Jews, North-American Japanese during WWII, the poor, the Romani, Yu-Gi-Oh players or any other peoples segregated and ghettoized for reasons other than race.

Yes I forgot the oppressed Yu-Gi-Oh'ers.  Actually that was good for a chuckle.  Just because the allegory could be stretched to other races, religions etc it doesn't disclude those already mentioned in my post.  My point was that it felt weird to make a reference like that and not inlcude any other ethnicity.

We should include all real world ethnicities into a fictional fantasy world why, exactly? How does it fit into our fantasy setting, or are you trying to tell us what our fantasy setting should look like in order to be "fair"?

To be 'fair'?  Yes I guess that's what I'm getting at.  Why not cater to all possible audiences?  Not that I'm saying that people of other ethnicities got tired of DA:O claiming it was 'too whitebred'.  Just that if you're going to create a fictional world you want to be embraced worldwide then it wouldn't hurt to cater to them a bit.  Maybe I worded the first post a little strongly.  I know I can't impose my view, just trying to add some constructive criticism.

You should probably play the game to find out. i have not yet met anyone who disliked a game because of "lack of racial diversity." Most folks will concentrate on story and gameplay, but what do I know? That's just my opinion.

Careful.  You might fall over and injure yourself carrying all that sarcasm by yourself.

Look I'm just trying to make suggestions, have conversations with other fans and find out about DA2.  If it's a that I didn't think everything was just fine with the first game.  If I come on a bit too harsh at times I apologise, but I'm still going to voice my opinion on what I didn't think went right with the previous entry.