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[Dhiro]

Oooown, he's so precious. *hugs*



But really, Fortlowe, even if you deslike this thread, there's no need to post pictures of adorable little kittens.

[AlexXIV]

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Modifié par Stanley Woo, 05 janvier 2011 - 12:18 .

[Cobrawar]

did someone electrocute that cat?

[Korva]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

They did.  It was called Jade Empire.

Yep, and it rocked, in my book. It was great fun to delve into a non-European-flavored setting, a really nice change of pace and breath of fresh air. The gameplay had its problems, but I still love Jade Empire for the story and lore. Too bad they never made another game in the setting.

Late to the thread, and I see it's derailed so I won't say much more except: more diversity would be fun (and no, a Spanish or French accent and slightly darker skin don't count as "racial diversity"). That isn't to say I don't like games without it, but I imagine many people of color would love to see more games with more characters they can see themselves in, just as we paleskins have the privilege of seeing people like us all over the place.

[AlexXIV]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

drahelvete wrote...

I love how someone can make a passionate speech about ethnic diversity and tolerance one second, and then use words like "gypsy" and "half-breed" the next.
The preferred term is Romani.

Just to be clear: I'm not calling anyone a racist. If anything, I think this whole PC thing has gone way too far. Just thought it was funny.

I am sorry about using the word gypsy I was admittedly ignorant of it having negative connotations, the more you know right?  

Huh I am a half-breed myself. And it is not meant offensive but rather matter-of-factly. I didn't know gypsy was an insult either. And I am not going to see it as an insult either unless you have good explaination why I should.

[upsettingshorts]

Korva wrote...

more diversity would be fun (and no, a Spanish or French accent and slightly darker skin don't count as "racial diversity").

Wait... why not?

Racial diversity isn't like a bingo game where you have to check off all the most common squares in order to qualify, is it?

"It's got black people!"  (checks box)
"It's got Asians!" (checks box)
"It's got Spanish people!" (looks, cant find box)

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 04 janvier 2011 - 11:37 .

[Dhiro]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Korva wrote...

more diversity would be fun (and no, a Spanish or French accent and slightly darker skin don't count as "racial diversity").

Wait... why not?

After you go brazillian you won't go any other race.

If only we hade less than five.

Modifié par Dhiro, 04 janvier 2011 - 11:38 .

[Fortlowe]

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Modifié par Stanley Woo, 05 janvier 2011 - 12:19 .

[Ninja Mage]

Korva wrote...


Late to the thread, and I see it's derailed so I won't say much more except: more diversity would be fun (and no, a Spanish or French accent and slightly darker skin don't count as "racial diversity"). That isn't to say I don't like games without it, but I imagine many people of color would love to see more games with more characters they can see themselves in, just as we paleskins have the privilege of seeing people like us all over the place.

Thankyou. Why can't other people understand this?

[ladydesire]

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Modifié par Stanley Woo, 05 janvier 2011 - 12:19 .

[AngelicMachinery]

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Modifié par Stanley Woo, 05 janvier 2011 - 12:19 .

[Maria Caliban]

PsychoBlonde wrote...

People seem to forget that calls for racial diversity is ALSO a racist position...

This parses at about the same as, "People seem to forget that asking for ice cream is lactose intolerant..."

[Fortlowe]

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Modifié par Stanley Woo, 05 janvier 2011 - 12:20 .

[Ninja Mage]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Korva wrote...

more diversity would be fun (and no, a Spanish or French accent and slightly darker skin don't count as "racial diversity").

Wait... why not?

Because those are still parts of Europe. Just giving a European person in an established setting darker skin and an accent is so tacky. Yes, people like that exist around the world but they have culture and features to match.

[Harid]

soteria wrote...

Harid wrote...
I lived in Manhattan before I moved back to Long Island, and I've never seen any part of it that had no other minorites in it, from working behind the counter to doing business in the type of places they hung out in. They got the setting wrong, and that's why it was changed in the first place.

No doubt your experience in Manhattan was conclusive and more valid than anyone else's. I'm sure in your time there you were able to obtain a comprehensive sampling of every part of Manhattan. It's such a small area that what one person knows of Manhattan can be said to be true of all of it.

Anecdotal evidence is Anecdotal.  Who cares?  Apparently you do, though, you couldn't care less about his version of anecdotal evidence posted earlier in this thread.

AlanC9 wrote...

Harid wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

What are you talking about? It isn't whitewashing to get a real-world setting right.

I
lived in Manhattan before I moved back to Long Island, and I've never
seen any part of it that had no other minorites in it, from working
behind the counter to doing business in the type of places they hung out
in.  They got the setting wrong, and that's why it was changed in the
first place.

OK -- so then you think I'm just lying, and you were saying that I was proving your point because I was lying. Gotcha.

You proved my point because you don't give a damn about whitewashing, which, most white people don't give a damn about, but they then have problems with tokeninsm which is the same god damned problem.

Why can people apparently have little to no problems with a Fantasy where women are treated the same as men, i.e. this one, when, realistically, women still aren't equal to men, but conversely POC in Fantasy is Balderdash!  It just screams hypocrisy.

Modifié par Harid, 04 janvier 2011 - 11:46 .

[AlexXIV]

Ninja Mage wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Korva wrote...

more diversity would be fun (and no, a Spanish or French accent and slightly darker skin don't count as "racial diversity").

Wait... why not?

Because those are still parts of Europe. Just giving a European person in an established setting darker skin and an accent is so tacky. Yes, people like that exist around the world but they have culture and features to match.

Italians and spanish do have arabic and african influences. Due to history etc. Well if you look at it europe is pretty much a melting pot of different cultures.

[dzizass]

Korva wrote...

Yep, and it rocked, in my book. It was great fun to delve into a non-European-flavored setting, a really nice change of pace and breath of fresh air.

Yikes. Gothic and Witcher have European-flavored settings. DA and all other BW games are Canadian flavoured, sometimes with some faint European echos ;P

[Sherbet Lemon]

PsychoBlonde wrote...
 People seem to forget that calls for racial diversity is ALSO a racist position because it is ultimately based on the idea that people of different races are somehow fundamentally different and somehow can't identify with people who don't share their physical characteristics.  Even worse, it treats every member of a race as if they were interchangeable parts who should identify with each other because of their physical characteristics!

Hehehe.  Just couldn't stay away.  I do want to address this as well as another person's comments about identity and the concept of moving beyond identity. It really goes much deep than that.  They can and they do, but that isn't what society asks us to do nor expects us to do otherwise.  Not going to go all Marxist here, but ultimately fixation on "race" detracts from the larger stratifcation that manifests between the haves and the have nots.  By perpetuating perceived difference within our species, groups remain antagonistic (who might otherwise unite and rebel) and shuck off the prospect of unification.  This creates identity that isolates and separates us from each other as ultimately certain people win out, but there it is, the endless cycle that misses the point.   

Calls for diversity signify unification.  It reconciles the separation and allows for the fractured to come together.  Refusal to recognize that people see race and maintaining color blindness only perpetuates the system.

I think ErichHartmann hit it precisely when he or she said:

Race is a socially constructed myth which has no legitimate basis within
the scientific community. We should be discussing ethnicity which
attempts to define an individual's cultural identity.

This speaks to the precarious discussion of how image, what we consume ultimately affects the way we view ourselves and others.  What we take in what we see contributes to the fortification of stereotypes, and other issues that lead to marginalization and social inequality.  This is the reason a lot of media activists take up this sort of crusade as the media we watch, the media we take in informs our worldview.  It isn't so much a diversity for diversity sake, it is more show marginalized people so that negativity is not internalized and projected onto that same "racial" group.  If you want evidence look no further than this.  It's pretty tragic, and sorrowful if you ask me.  The famous doll study revisited and Anderson Cooper finds that very little has changed.  www.youtube.com/watch
All of these factors work in concert to manufacture ethnicity and develop the falsity that is race.

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[Fortlowe]

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Modifié par Stanley Woo, 05 janvier 2011 - 12:21 .

[Atakuma]

Harid wrote...
You proved my point because you don't give a damm about whitewashing, which, most white people don't give a damn about, but they then have problems with tokeninsm which is the same god damned problem.

Now you are making very broad generalizations about an entire race of people. Do you seriously think this is a good way to make your point?

Modifié par Atakuma, 04 janvier 2011 - 11:47 .

[AngelicMachinery]

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Modifié par Stanley Woo, 05 janvier 2011 - 12:21 .

[Harid]

Atakuma wrote...

Harid wrote...
You proved my point because you don't give a damm about whitewashing, which, most white people don't give a damn about, but they then have problems with tokeninsm which is the same god damned problem.

Now you are making very broad generalizations about an entire race of people. Do you seriously think this is a good way to make your point?

But you don't.  If you did, this wouldn't be a joke issue that jackasses are posting cat pictures in like this is 4chan.

[AlexXIV]

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Modifié par Stanley Woo, 05 janvier 2011 - 12:21 .

[Ninja Mage]

AlexXIV wrote...

Ninja Mage wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Korva wrote...

more diversity would be fun (and no, a Spanish or French accent and slightly darker skin don't count as "racial diversity").

Wait... why not?

Because those are still parts of Europe. Just giving a European person in an established setting darker skin and an accent is so tacky. Yes, people like that exist around the world but they have culture and features to match.

Italians and spanish do have arabic and african influences. Due to history etc. Well if you look at it europe is pretty much a melting pot of different cultures.

This is true. But I mean when they take someone who is obviously not arabic or african in europe, and give them dark skin and a wierd accent. It's like just forgetting everything else about the person