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[IRMcGhee]

Anyone got any cat pictures ?

Modifié par IRMcGhee, 05 janvier 2011 - 12:50 .

[Wicked 702]

Captain Cornhole wrote...

Don't worry I won't, Stephen Colbert is a well...I'm not going to say the word.

Is a comedian playing an imaginary character? It's ok, you can say that.

[Xewaka]

nightcobra8928 wrote...
pretty much.
but now that i think about it, there was a pretty woman that looked almost exactly like isabela, i believe it was in santiago de compostela. she said she was a sailor, a fisherman (fisherwoman?) to be exact and she was staying there for the fireworks XD 

That'd be expected. "Salt tan" - having a dark skin tone due to sun exposure working at the sea - is rather par the course in coastal galician towns.

[Ziggeh]

Ninja Mage wrote...

The only dark skinned people were a Qunari who had murdered men, women and children and was found in a cage, and the Chasind, who are basically like wild barbarians. If you want to add Zevran to the mix, then you have a murderous, assassin as well. All positions of power were held by white, anglo saxon looking people. I think maybe many of the Cultists had dark skin too.

Erm. Most of those in positions of authority, well, they're fereldens, in ferelden for one, not sure why that is problematic, but a wide variety of people in the world are ****s of one sort or another. The religions are zealous, the nobles are manipulative, the commoners are backstabbing. Half the people in game are fairly unpleasant, and everyone external to ferelden is viewed as malicious as their isolation is part of the plot. You really have to massage the facts to make it any kind of racial bias. Which I suppose is the point.

[AlexXIV]

Well I don't mind 'asian' or 'african' people in Thedas, but they should origin from overseas. They can be more powerful and more civilized for all I care. It just makes more sense for me than 3 races as different origin from the same small continent. They would have mingled and lost their significant racial features in the last thousand years

Edit: Well unless there is some creation myth that explains why there are 3 different races and why they look different. Otherwise it would be evolution which requires different enviroments, no?

Modifié par AlexXIV, 05 janvier 2011 - 12:58 .

[Ninja Mage]

Some dude just pmed saying he wishes I get cancer because I'm racist against black people. Good God do people read this or what??

[IRMcGhee]

Welcome to the internet.

OT: AlexIV:- Agreed, I'm all for being inclusive, but it has to make sense within the game's lore or it just comes off as tokenism.

Modifié par IRMcGhee, 05 janvier 2011 - 01:01 .

[Harid]

AlexXIV wrote...

Well I don't mind 'asian' or 'african' people in Thedas, but they should origin from overseas. They can be more powerful and more civilized for all I care. It just makes more sense for me then 3 races as different origin from the same small continent. They would have mingled and lost their significant racial features in the last thousand years.

Firstly, we don't know the size of Thedas.

And secondly, they aren't even done with Thedas.

And thirdly, I don't expect anyone to make a fantasy game with primary characters that look like Black people, and asians in fantasy is nothing new.  Not in this gen of the generic brown haired, dirty beard having white male protagonist.  So making it another island, far, far away is just a subversion of the inital problem of excluding diversity in fantasy.  They aren't going to get around to some other island anytime soon, if ever, for that matter.

[AlexXIV]

Ninja Mage wrote...

Some dude just pmed saying he wishes I get cancer because I'm racist against black people. Good God do people read this or what??

Well I hope you don't get cancer if that helps

[dzizass]

Ninja Mage wrote...

Some dude just pmed saying he wishes I get cancer because I'm racist against black people. Good God do people read this or what??

ROTFL

[AlexXIV]

Harid wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Well I don't mind 'asian' or 'african' people in Thedas, but they should origin from overseas. They can be more powerful and more civilized for all I care. It just makes more sense for me then 3 races as different origin from the same small continent. They would have mingled and lost their significant racial features in the last thousand years.

Firstly, we don't know the size of Thedas.

And secondly, they aren't even done with Thedas.

And thirdly, I don't expect anyone to make a fantasy game with primary characters that look like Black people, and asians in fantasy is nothing new.  Not in this gen of the generic brown haired, dirty beard having white male protagonist.  So making it another island, far, far away is just a subversion of the inital problem of excluding diversity in fantasy.  They aren't going to get around to some other island anytime soon, if ever, for that matter.

Thedas is a continent, not the world, and probably not much bigger than europe. There is a map of it too.

[Xewaka]

Harid wrote...
Firstly, we don't know the size of Thedas.
And secondly, they aren't even done with Thedas.
And thirdly, I don't expect anyone to make a fantasy game with primary characters that look like Black people, and asians in fantasy is nothing new.  Not in this gen of the generic brown haired, dirty beard having white male protagonist.  So making it another island, far, far away is just a subversion of the inital problem of excluding diversity in fantasy.  They aren't going to get around to some other island anytime soon, if ever, for that matter.

Well, you have the Black Company Books. Its protagonists are a band of negroid (forensic term) mercenaries.

Modifié par Xewaka, 05 janvier 2011 - 01:02 .

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Atakuma wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

LOLZ everybody could be in a game.It's racist to keep every minority out. I understand this qualifies me as some kind of "racist" because I call for racial diversity.

No you are being rude calling the developers racists just because they don't meet some sort of arbitrary diversity quota.

First, I didn't call the developers racist. What I'm saying is that it can be perceived as racist (even though I might not have actually said this). Also, diversity isn't some arbitrary quota. It can actually show that we, as humans, can actually recognize that there isn't just one race out there, and that we can recognize them. And if you think I'm being rude, well, that's your opinion and I'll respect it.

Modifié par Ramirez Wolfen, 05 janvier 2011 - 01:04 .

[Harid]

AlexXIV wrote...

Harid wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Well I don't mind 'asian' or 'african' people in Thedas, but they should origin from overseas. They can be more powerful and more civilized for all I care. It just makes more sense for me then 3 races as different origin from the same small continent. They would have mingled and lost their significant racial features in the last thousand years.

Firstly, we don't know the size of Thedas.

And secondly, they aren't even done with Thedas.

And thirdly, I don't expect anyone to make a fantasy game with primary characters that look like Black people, and asians in fantasy is nothing new.  Not in this gen of the generic brown haired, dirty beard having white male protagonist.  So making it another island, far, far away is just a subversion of the inital problem of excluding diversity in fantasy.  They aren't going to get around to some other island anytime soon, if ever, for that matter.

Thedas is a continent, not the world, and probably not much bigger than europe. There is a map of it too.

I am quite certain the scale of Thedas has never been discussed, because they don't even have a name for the world it's on, and as such we don't know how large Thedas is, comparitively to the world it is on.  I don't see how this changes my point..

[soteria]

Harid wrote...

...No such place exists...

So you really are claiming to know every neighborhood in Manhattan. Or, perhaps it's that you can't imagine something that is contrary to your experience. The latter is more likely, and is probably a common human trait.

Ninja Mage wrote...

It's so funny that people argue that it's based on Medieval Britain, because you know what? At the time of "medieval Britain" darker skinned people from the Middle East and India were making monumental discoveries in medicine, science and the arts.

Maybe you're onto something, since Orlesians regard Ferelden as backward, and we know the Qunari have gunpowder and advanced sailing technology. Maybe in a future game we'll see more of the world.

[Ninja Mage]

ok Bottomline, I want to see something more diverse than European or Spanish, or Icelandic in Dragon Age 2. It would have been nice if they had pushed Isabela further than "dark skinned spanish with anglo features. But that is my opinion like I said

[Harid]

Xewaka wrote...

Harid wrote...
Firstly, we don't know the size of Thedas.
And secondly, they aren't even done with Thedas.
And thirdly, I don't expect anyone to make a fantasy game with primary characters that look like Black people, and asians in fantasy is nothing new.  Not in this gen of the generic brown haired, dirty beard having white male protagonist.  So making it another island, far, far away is just a subversion of the inital problem of excluding diversity in fantasy.  They aren't going to get around to some other island anytime soon, if ever, for that matter.

Well, you have the Black Company Books. Its protagonists are a band of negroid (forensic term) mercenaries.

Well, those are books, not games.  I haven't read that series, but books tend to have a little more leeway than AAA game series from developers that have to appease the most amount of people possible as to turn a profit.  And I don't expect the majority of the gaming public (white, male) to want to be forced to play a minority character, because I don't like to be forced to play a white character when I don't have to.  Nothing against white people, but I've played a white character the majority of my gaming life, and not complaining about it hasn't lead to any type of significant change.  If anything it's gotten worse.

(Note that I stated before that this does not neccessarily apply to Bioware.)

[upsettingshorts]

Harid wrote...

 They aren't going to get around to some other island anytime soon, if ever, for that matter.

We haven't gone to Orlais or the Anderfels either.  Or Par Vollen for that matter, yet the people that live there are making a huge impact on the plot of an upcoming game.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 05 janvier 2011 - 01:09 .

[soteria]

Ninja Mage wrote...

Some dude just pmed saying he wishes I get cancer because I'm racist against black people. Good God do people read this or what??

Hopefully you reported him.

[PsychoBlonde]

RohanD wrote...
Creators of any medium of entertainment have to realize that people from all types of backgrounds are their audience, and lessons in equality and diversity are extremely important.

Important to whom?  Why does your "stand in" need to belong to your racial group in order for you to identify with them?  And if you can't identify with anyone who doesn't look like you, WHO is the racist one, now?  It's a game.  It's not here to teach you lessons about how to get along with your neighbors.  Granted, I prefer to play female characters, but I am TOTALLY sexist--I prefer men.  A lot.  Short ones, tall ones, fat ones, hairy ones, bring it on.

One of my favorite games of all time (Gothic) contains, IIRC, EXACTLY FIVE WOMEN, and you can't actually talk to any of them.  But it's set in a prison work colony, and I found the very male-ness of the game to be kind of cute and refreshing.  Aside from that, the *only games I own* where you can't select the ethnicity of your character ALL have Asian protagonists.  (Prince of Persias and Jade Empire.)

[Atakuma]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...
First, I didn't call the developers racist. What I'm saying is that it can be perceived as racist (even though I might not have actually said this). Also, diversity isn't some arbitrary quota. It can actually show that we, as humans, can actually recognize that there isn't just one race out there, and that we can recognize them. And if you think I'm being rude, well, that's your opinion and I'll respect it.

I apologize. I thought you were someone else.

[AlexXIV]

Harid wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Harid wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Well I don't mind 'asian' or 'african' people in Thedas, but they should origin from overseas. They can be more powerful and more civilized for all I care. It just makes more sense for me then 3 races as different origin from the same small continent. They would have mingled and lost their significant racial features in the last thousand years.

Firstly, we don't know the size of Thedas.

And secondly, they aren't even done with Thedas.

And thirdly, I don't expect anyone to make a fantasy game with primary characters that look like Black people, and asians in fantasy is nothing new.  Not in this gen of the generic brown haired, dirty beard having white male protagonist.  So making it another island, far, far away is just a subversion of the inital problem of excluding diversity in fantasy.  They aren't going to get around to some other island anytime soon, if ever, for that matter.

Thedas is a continent, not the world, and probably not much bigger than europe. There is a map of it too.

I am quite certain the scale of Thedas has never been discussed, because they don't even have a name for the world it's on, and as such we don't know how large Thedas is, comparitively to the world it is on.  I don't see how this changes my point..

You can see the 'frozen sea' in the south west corner. And I assume Thedas is located in the southern hemisphere of the planet, which I assume is round just like earth. Which means Thedas is as best 10-15% of the whole surface of the world. Well the part of thedas that is visible on the map anyway. There are no numbers to calculate though. It is just a guess.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 05 janvier 2011 - 01:10 .

[Harid]

soteria wrote...

Harid wrote...
...No such place exists...

So you really are claiming to know every neighborhood in Manhattan. Or, perhaps it's that you can't imagine something that is contrary to your experience. The latter is more likely, and is probably a common human trait.

Ninja Mage wrote...
It's so funny that people argue that it's based on Medieval Britain, because you know what? At the time of "medieval Britain" darker skinned people from the Middle East and India were making monumental discoveries in medicine, science and the arts.

Maybe you're onto something, since Orlesians regard Ferelden as backward, and we know the Qunari have gunpowder and advanced sailing technology. Maybe in a future game we'll see more of the world.

http://en.wikipedia....f_New_York_City

No such place exists in Manhattan.  You can certainly pretend that everyone in a certain section of Manhattan is white, but, like I said, there would be minorities doing something there, because it's one of the most diverse places on the god damned planet.   Which is what made the Friends whitewashed version of the city laughable, and the fact that someone could pretend that such a place exists is comical.  His anecdotal evidence of a make believe place with no proof however, is good enough for you.  I wonder why?

Note that it took complaints from minorities to have this changed, but white people had no problem with this the 5 seasons it was allowed to occur.  White people on average do not complain about whitewashing.  Minorities do, and then are told to shut up, or they are racist for seeing it.

Modifié par Harid, 05 janvier 2011 - 01:17 .

[Harid]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Harid wrote...

 They aren't going to get around to some other island anytime soon, if ever, for that matter.

We haven't gone to Orlais or the Anderfels either.  Or Par Vollen for that matter, yet the people that live there are making a huge impact on the plot of an upcoming game.

That would fall into the point I made about them not being done with Thedas.

AlexXIV wrote...

You can see the 'frozen sea' in the south
west corner. And I assume Thedas is located in the southern hemisphere
of the planet, which I assume is round just like earth. Which means
Thedas is as best 10-15% of the whole surface of the world. Well the
part of thedas that is visible on the map anyway. There are no numbers
to calculate though. It is just a guess.

You are making a lot of assumptions here.  I'd rather wait for a dev to confirm, and they have a lot they can do with the places that are in Thedas that I don't expect them to bother trying to explain away the other races to some mythical continent across the sea.

Modifié par Harid, 05 janvier 2011 - 01:19 .

[henkez3]

I still don't get why it's such a problem with most fereldans, and indeed people from Thedas are white since it's based off of medieval England and Europe? I mean if Bioware made a game taking place in a fantasy setting based off of ancient Africa, I would be baffled if there were a bunch of white dudes running around.