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[Atakuma]

Harid wrote...

Pretty much this. . .it helps to maintain the status quo. . .it fixes nothing.

Neither does enforcing a diversity quota.

[AlexXIV]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Duncan:

Did the batmobile break down?

[Sherbet Lemon]

Harid wrote...
The closest thing to ever come to this was Suikoden 3, and the Japanese aren't good enough writers nor have the history to explore this subject properly.

I take it you've never read Haruki Murakami then...@_@  Murakami is
So please don't say things like that as they harm the thread....

But umm...back to Dragon Age II...I am quite excited to see Kirkwall differences found in Kirkwall and the surrounding areas (and I'm not talking ethnicity here more cultural and national differences).  I wonder how Hawke and her family (hehehe see what I did there) might assimilate into Kirkwall society. What sort of challenges come from being a refugees.  I think this question is on topic, it is on topic, right?

[Harid]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Duncan:

Can you compare this to Isabela in the Toolset?  I still am not seeing it.

[AlexXIV]

drahelvete wrote...

Mecha Tengu wrote...

LOTR was rascist

a story that took place in ancient continental europe had white people and arabs but no black africans

BAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWww

What do you call the men of Far Harad?

In the Fellowship there were neither asians nor black people. Also the black people in the story were with the evil big boss.

[Dave of Canada]

Isabela:

[Harid]

Atakuma wrote...

Harid wrote...

Pretty much this. . .it helps to maintain the status quo. . .it fixes nothing.

Neither does enforcing a diversity quota.

And that's apparently what everyone is asking for.  It's always extremes on the internet, isn't it.

[henkez3]

Harid wrote...

henkez3 wrote...

Harid wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

RohanD wrote...

Why couldn't there have been at least one positive character with dark skin?

Duncan, despite his murdering of Jory, is portrayed in an extremely positive light.  He's also one of the first characters the protagonist meets in every Origin, and he's always introduced with the greatest of respect by other characters.

At least the Origins I can remember, anyway.

Most people wouldn't argue that Duncan was darkskinned. . .he looked like a typical fereldan.  Do you have toolset pictures of him to see if it was lighting issues?

Duncan was half Rivaini/half Fereldan.

I know this.  Barack Obama is half white.  I would not use him as an example as to what white people look like.

Whats your point? All children, regardless if they have parents of the same skincolour or of different skincolour they inherit certain traits from both, sometimes more or less from either.

For example, a friend of mine who has a black father and a white mother came out white, with some african facial features, while his sister, looks like any white girl and hardly shares any facial features of her father.

[slimgrin]

The game has racial diversity, just not the type we're used to seeing.

[Dave of Canada]

AlexXIV wrote...
Did the batmobile break down?

Writing this from my mobile device, the batmobile's tinted windows will make the police unaware that I'm breaking the law by texting while driving.

And even if they did, I'm in the batmobile.

[RohanD]

Okay one by one; 

Maybe because the game took place in a white, Anglo-Saxon looking country?  

You know one that had just overthrown brutal occupiers in a civil war.  White (Orlesian) brutal occupiers.  

So the dark skinned people were all either evil or barbarians because Ferelden had just repelled an invasion from White Orlesian occupiers? Please point me to the connection.

The Qunari are more advanced than the rest of Thedas

Really? I must have missed that part being included in DA:O, because the way I saw it, the only Qunari character in the entire game was a murderous caged criminal who repeatedly told female characters they pretty much "belonged in the kitchen".  No matter what your argument, the undeniable truth is that the callous and brutal side of the Qunari were focused on more than anything else.

I agree.  Paying attention to the details of the story is also very important.   

Using diversionary tactics to illustrate points which are weaker than my own in order to justify your beliefs is quite lame, but this takes the cake. 

[AlexXIV]

According to the toolset pics Dave posts Duncan and Isabella could be siblings.

[In Exile]

Harid wrote...

I know this.  Barack Obama is half white.  I would not use him as an example as to what white people look like.

That's just because of the ingrained BS notion of racial purity that comes from the white majority, which is either "pure" white or non-white.

I don't want to get involved in this discussion; but if we are going to talk about subtle racism in our culture, then the fact that with a white mother the US president would not look like an example at all for what it is like to look white is a result of a longstanding cultural bias.

[Ziggeh]

RohanD wrote...

So the dark skinned people were all either evil or barbarians because Ferelden had just repelled an invasion from White Orlesian occupiers? Please point me to the connection.

Almost everyone outside ferelden is seen by the people of ferelden to be evil or barbaric.

RohanD wrote...
Really? I must have missed that part being included in DA:O, because the way I saw it, the only Qunari character in the entire game was a murderous caged criminal who repeatedly told female characters they pretty much "belonged in the kitchen".  No matter what your argument, the undeniable truth is that the callous and brutal side of the Qunari were focused on more than anything else.

Yup, they're built to be an alien ideology.

[upsettingshorts]

RohanD wrote...

So the dark skinned people were all either evil or barbarians because Ferelden had just repelled an invasion from White Orlesian occupiers? Please point me to the connection.

I was pointing to the lack of a connection between negative presentation and skin color.

RohanD wrote...

No matter what your argument, the undeniable truth is that the callous and brutal side of the Qunari were focused on more than anything else.

That much is true. 

RohanD wrote...

Using diversionary tactics to illustrate points which are weaker than my own in order to justify your beliefs is quite lame, but this takes the cake.

No, if I was using any tactic it was to try and point out how you're cherry picking.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 05 janvier 2011 - 01:43 .

[Wicked 702]

In Exile wrote...

Harid wrote...

I know this.  Barack Obama is half white.  I would not use him as an example as to what white people look like.

That's just because of the ingrained BS notion of racial purity that comes from the white majority, which is either "pure" white or non-white.

I don't want to get involved in this discussion; but if we are going to talk about subtle racism in our culture, then the fact that with a white mother the US president would not look like an example at all for what it is like to look white is a result of a longstanding cultural bias.

Except that Harid isn't white. And your statement is totally bigoted.

Modifié par Wicked 702, 05 janvier 2011 - 01:43 .

[Atakuma]

Harid wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

Harid wrote...

Pretty much this. . .it helps to maintain the status quo. . .it fixes nothing.

Neither does enforcing a diversity quota.

And that's apparently what everyone is asking for.  It's always extremes on the internet, isn't it.

I am not arguing against adding racial diversity to DA2. I just do not believe it would be neccessary or even beneficial.

[sagmann20]

I think this is an example of black people overplaying the race card. And before you jump down my throat I am black...very black and very keen on issues of race in various different forms. I however think it would be weird to have a game obviously themed somewhere in old Europe, in which there are dark skinned peoples, and or even brown skinned peoples walking around the regular population all with English/French/anythingbutethnic accents. Maybe its because we werent wandering around old England...with the blights and the plagues and the famines and the drakspawn and the evil magics and such...We were far away on a beach... or enjoying the shade of a baobob tree...maybe building some pyramids. Its just a game.

[Harid]

Wicked 702 wrote...

In Exile wrote...

Harid wrote...

I know this.  Barack Obama is half white.  I would not use him as an example as to what white people look like.

That's just because of the ingrained BS notion of racial purity that comes from the white majority, which is either "pure" white or non-white.

I don't want to get involved in this discussion; but if we are going to talk about subtle racism in our culture, then the fact that with a white mother the US president would not look like an example at all for what it is like to look white is a result of a longstanding cultural bias.

Except that Harid isn't white. And your statement is totally bigoted.

Well in the US, bigoted or no, the One Drop Rule still persists, so I wouldn't expect a company full of (largely) white writers to make a character who could pass for white as a shining example of the goodness of dark skinned protagionists.  They aren't stupid.  Which I suppose, was my point about using Duncan as such.

[Ziggeh]

Wicked 702 wrote...

Except that Harid isn't white. And your statement is totally bigoted.

Erm, neither of those sentences relate to anything he said.

[Dave of Canada]

So Duncan doesn't count as a good portrayal as a black character because he passes as white to you?

[Harid]

sagmann20 wrote...

I think this is an example of black people overplaying the race card. And before you jump down my throat I am black...very black and very keen on issues of race in various different forms. I however think it would be weird to have a game obviously themed somewhere in old Europe, in which there are dark skinned peoples, and or even brown skinned peoples walking around the regular population all with English/French/anythingbutethnic accents. Maybe its because we werent wandering around old England...with the blights and the plagues and the famines and the drakspawn and the evil magics and such...We were far away on a beach... or enjoying the shade of a baobob tree...maybe building some pyramids. Its just a game.

I don't care what race you are, but throwing out the supposed "race card" doesn't help discourse, or well, anything, so shove it up your ass and get out of the thread if you don't have a cogent point to make here.

This is FANTASY.  Any race could be doing anything, but most fantasy excludes minorites altogether.  It's not pulling the race card to expose a truth, or asking for it to be changed.  That's just a diversionary tactic used to simplify an argument and it has no place here.

Atakuma wrote...

I am not arguing against adding racial diversity to DA2. I just do not believe it would be neccessary or even beneficial.

According to you?  It's great you hold that opinion, as people can think whatever they like, but clearly it's an issue to some people, and acting like your opinion is paramount is a selfish way of thinking.  if you are going to contine to add nothing new to the thread though, you are just arguing in circles, and if that's the case I am done with you.

Modifié par Harid, 05 janvier 2011 - 01:52 .

[AlexXIV]

Isn't there anywhere a sort of color table that shows when exactly a person is 'black'? Just curious because could be that in winter I am white and in summer black.

[soteria]

Harid wrote...

His anecdotal evidence of a make believe place with no proof however, is good enough for you. I wonder why?

Because I have no reason to think he's lying and because I've seen other areas that are diverse on paper but have little communities where people just hang out with people who look like themselves.

Ziggeh wrote...

Almost everyone outside ferelden is seen by the people of ferelden to be evil or barbaric.

And here I thought it was the Fereldens who were barbaric. Everything smells like dog! Must be a matter of perspective.