Reidbynature wrote...
To be 'fair'? Yes I guess that's what I'm getting at. Why not cater to all possible audiences? Not that I'm saying that people of other ethnicities got tired of DA:O claiming it was 'too whitebred'. Just that if you're going to create a fictional world you want to be embraced worldwide then it wouldn't hurt to cater to them a bit. Maybe I worded the first post a little strongly. I know I can't impose my view, just trying to add some constructive criticism.
No, it was a valid argument. I merely disagreed with the priority it should have when it comes to creating a fictional world. Fantasy worlds in and of themselves don't have any real rules. Magic, dragons, unlimited treasures in unlimited dungeons, swords 10x larger than is practical, everyone's an adventurer or quest-giver--all the conceits of "fantasy."
it's when these concepts are used to develop a commercial product that you start getting into the rules and expectations people have for it, ebcause you want that product to sell, and sell as much as possible. When it comes to selling a product, though, I think few people will
refuse to buy a product based on whether it has a character, setting, or themes which reflect their race, religion, or whatever. i think more people would refuse to buy a game based on how it plays, whether the story intrigues them. And I tthink the opposite is also true--that people will buy a game or story or film based on actors, director, graphics, story, romances, and not for such ultimately trivial concepts like "can I make a guy who looks like me?" or "will someone speak a word of Farsi?" or "there's no black guy in here!"
While this is not a forum for political discussion, this seems relevant to the subject under discussion. If we were to arbitrarily add ethnic diversity "for the sake of fairness," we would not hear the end of how careless and insensitive we are in not highlighting the noble differences in each race, or how "X race people don't act that way" or"how come the X races didn't have more to say?" Because the second you open the door to "fairness", very little becomes forbidden and you end up with an unfocused product that tries to please everyone but ultimately fails to please anyone.
Perhaps you've noticed other concepts that weren't in our game: vegetarians, polygamists, horses, fox hunts, soccer moms, conservational biologists, astronomers, pansexuals, furries, LARPers, numismatists, lepers, schizophrenics, the deaf, paraplegics, Protestants, or Yu-Gi-Oh players (yes, i'm using it again, since so many people said they liked it). Now, currently the discussion is
racial diversity, but how far do we go in order to be "fair" and "inclusive"? Do we start getting into religious diveristy (which could seriously compromise our concept of the Chantry and the Maker), sexuality (which has its own inherent issues), hobbies, nationalities (can you imagine a "Canadian" in Thedas)? Where do you draw the line on "fairness"?
And how "fair" can you be without disappointing
someone? We've got European concepts pretty well covered, but perhaps you also want Asians to be represented? That might work, but is there an Asian equivalent in the Dragon Age setting? You seem to wish to ignore it in favour of "fairness" and "inclusion."
Careful. You might fall over and injure yourself carrying all that sarcasm by yourself.
Nah, sarcasm is light. i got bags of the stuff!
Look I'm just trying to make suggestions, have conversations with other fans and find out about DA2. If it's a that I didn't think everything was just fine with the first game. If I come on a bit too harsh at times I apologise, but I'm still going to voice my opinion on what I didn't think went right with the previous entry.
No need to apologize. I'm enjoying the discussion. i'm just trying to impress upon you the slippery slope you may encounter when you try to include or "be fair" to everyone. i just don't think it's possible, so why not just appeal to a large group of people (maybe not "the largest" or "as many as possible") and hope for the best. As long as you're not actively trying to offend someone--which we aren't--it should work out okay and you'll still have a decent game.
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