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[Terror_K]

Neither Mass Effect title for the PC is a "Games for Windows" title.

[RENEGADEXVIII]

Terror_K wrote...

Neither Mass Effect title for the PC is a "Games for Windows" title.

Fair enough (regarding ME),but to claim that "Microsoft gains NOTHING from having games on the PC" when "Games for Windows" does exist on the PC platform is a bit of an oversight...wouldn't you agree?

[charmingcharlie]

RENEGADEXVIII wrote...
Perhaps StargazerUK is referring to the
Microsoft owned *Games for Windows* banner that so many of these 360/PC
duo-platform titles launch under...Although I'm not sure if ME2 PC
happens to be one of them.

As Terror_K says neither Mass Effect appeared on the Games For Windows Label and again it is hard to really call a branding "a platform".  However even if ME had appeared on Games For Windows/Live it still means MS gets nothing financially from a copy sold on the PC.

When you buy a game on a console a certain percentage (between $7 - $10) goes to the console manufacturer but when you buy games on the PC nothing goes to Microsoft.  So MS does not benefit in any way from games being sold on the PC (aside from the initial purchase of the Operating System which 9 out of 10 times is bundled with a PC anyway).

The PC is a separate, unique platform from the xbox 360.  It is an open platform owned by no one.  Microsoft's contribution to the PC is just the operating system which is one small part of a PC they have no control over the PC as a whole.

The only people that ever try to pass the PC off as a "Microsoft platform" are usually Xbox owners trying to beef up the xbox's "exclusivity" collection.  The Mass Effect series went multi-platform the minute it appeared on the PC.  So ME 1 was only ever a timed xbox exclusive for about 8 months.

RENEGADEXVIII wrote...
Fair enough (regarding ME),but to
claim that "Microsoft gains NOTHING from having games on the PC" when
"Games for Windows" does exist on the PC platform is a bit of an
oversight...wouldn't you agree?

No it isn't an oversight, they don't get anything financially from the Games For Windows branding, they receive NO royalty for it.  The reason being developers do not have to use GFWL to make a game on the PC that is my point MS has no control over the PC whatsoever.

Modifié par charmingcharlie, 06 janvier 2011 - 01:26 .

[Busomjack]

Stupid Gamemaster. The game deserves a 100 percent!

[Cyberstrike nTo]

Zaknaberrnon wrote...

BringerOfChaos wrote...
I could get it for my PC but controlling games with a mouse+keyboard is plain silly.

That's your opinion. Me on the other hand; i suck at any game that requires shooting that needs a controller (yes i have an xbox and really like the controller ) but i feel really detached from the game, i dunno, just don't like using controllers that much. Give me a mause and keyboard, on the other hand, and i can do just about anything and it dosen't feel like i'm controlling anything, as if the character/gun/whatever on the screen is an extension of myself, so to speak.

... i don't know if i managed to transmit what i meant but whatever. basically for some poeple controllers are better for others mouse+keyboard are. I happen to fall into the latter group. No need to say that one system is stupid just cause you preffer the other.

btw happy new year, all

Give me a half a way decent controller and I can figure out just about any game in a few minutes without any tutorials. I play a PC game with a keyboard and mouse and I'll be lucky to get move a character forward in a month with tutorials.

[RENEGADEXVIII]

charmingcharlie wrote...

RENEGADEXVIII wrote...
Perhaps StargazerUK is referring to the
Microsoft owned *Games for Windows* banner that so many of these 360/PC
duo-platform titles launch under...Although I'm not sure if ME2 PC
happens to be one of them.

As Terror_K says neither Mass Effect appeared on the Games For Windows Label and again it is hard to really call a branding "a platform".  However even if ME had appeared on Games For Windows/Live it still means MS gets nothing financially from a copy sold on the PC.

When you buy a game on a console a certain percentage (between $7 - $10) goes to the console manufacturer but when you buy games on the PC nothing goes to Microsoft.  So MS does not benefit in any way from games being sold on the PC (aside from the initial purchase of the Operating System which 9 out of 10 times is bundled with a PC anyway).

The PC is a separate, unique platform from the xbox 360.  It is an open platform owned by no one.  Microsoft's contribution to the PC is just the operating system which is one small part of a PC they have no control over the PC as a whole.

The only people that ever try to pass the PC off as a "Microsoft platform" are usually Xbox owners trying to beef up the xbox's "exclusivity" collection.  The Mass Effect series went multi-platform the minute it appeared on the PC.  So ME 1 was only ever a timed xbox exclusive for about 8 months.

RENEGADEXVIII wrote...
Fair enough (regarding ME),but to
claim that "Microsoft gains NOTHING from having games on the PC" when
"Games for Windows" does exist on the PC platform is a bit of an
oversight...wouldn't you agree?

No it isn't an oversight, they don't get anything financially from the Games For Windows branding, they receive NO royalty for it.  The reason being developers do not have to use GFWL to make a game on the PC that is my point MS has no control over the PC whatsoever.

Come to think of it you're actually making a lot of sense...Why would Microsoft financially benefit from merchandise utilizing it's branding?..It also makes perfect sense that MS spends millions annually marketing the Games for windows branding and the titles which are under this umbrella when it clearly expects to see absolutely no return on this hefty investment.

You are correct that MS doesn't regulate PC gaming as a whole but all Games for Windows title must submit to MS's regulatory standards.

[charmingcharlie]

Cyberstrike nTo wrote...
. I play a PC game with a keyboard and mouse and I'll be lucky to get move a character forward in a month with tutorials.

I wasn't aware that the keys W A S D were that hard to locate in this day and age.  How you control the game is down to personal preference.  I cannot stand the joypads the console use I find them imprecise and clunky compared to the mouse and keyboard.  I am not saying the mouse and keyboard is better I am saying I prefer the mouse and keyboard over a joypad.

RENEGADEXVIII wrote...

Come to think of it you're actually making a lot of sense...Why would Microsoft financially benefit from merchandise utilizing it's branding?..It also makes perfect sense that MS spends millions annually marketing the Games for windows branding and the titles which are under this umbrella when it clearly expects to see absolutely no return on this hefty investment.

Hey you know something else GFWL is FREE on the PC yet Xbox users have to pay for their equivalent on the console.  Hm I wonder why Microsoft charges Xbox users for something but do not charge PC gamers for the same thing ?  I mean it must cost them a pretty packet to run Multiplayer on the PC yet oddly enough they don't charge PC gamers.

So that kinda shoots down your "duh MS must get something financially out of it or they wouldn't do it".  If you need further proof that MS does not receive any payment for the GFW brand then how about it straight from the horses mouth :-

Kevin Angst ..............
Also, we don’t charge publishers a fee or royalty to carry the brand. For us, it’s about constantly improving the overall gaming experience.

http://www.microsoft...forwindows.mspx

They are doing GFWL to gain a presence in  PC gaming to TRY and make some money, in many ways GFWL is like a loss leader they lose money on it hoping it will lead to them making money else where such as their "games on demand" store.

It is just like steamworks, that is completely free for developers the steamwork suite of development tools cost Valve a pretty penny to develop and they don't charge a penny for it.  Why would they do that ? to get companies using steam and that is where Valve make their money.

RENEGADEXVIII wrote... You are correct that MS doesn't regulate PC gaming as a whole but all Games for Windows title must submit to MS's regulatory standards.

Yes MS do get to say what happens with a Games For Windows title, but that is my point publishers do not have to use GFWL at all on the PC, it is completely optional.   If you want to make a game on the Xbox you have to adhere to what MS wants and what MS charges there are no if's or buts.  The PC is completely different, a developer can choose to do a PC game however they want, they can choose to use GFWL if they want or they can choose to use steamworks if they want.

The point is the PC is an open platform, it does not belong to Microsoft.  The PC is a distinct platform separate from the Xbox and so when ME 1 came to the PC that means the ME franchise became a multiplatform title.

Modifié par charmingcharlie, 06 janvier 2011 - 03:18 .

[DoRHd7]

Hi im new at this , im a bout to buy mass effect 2  for my ps3 but  i ear that the cerberus network its gone a be shootdown soon its that gone a have a bad effect on the gaming experience for my and all the ps3 players ????? 


sorry about my english its sucks i know jejejeje

[Zaknaberrnon]

DoRHd7 wrote...

Hi im new at this , im a bout to buy mass effect 2  for my ps3 but  i ear that the cerberus network its gone a be shootdown soon its that gone a have a bad effect on the gaming experience for my and all the ps3 players ????? 


sorry about my english its sucks i know jejejeje

you get access to Cerberus Network for free with a new copy of the game. It's so that you can buy the DLC when it comes out. hey, some of the dlc is just appearance packs but it's really woth it for the mission/character packs.

By all means buy the game; you won't regret it! plus the ps3 version gets almost all the dlc included with the game, so you won't even have to buy any dlc until something new comes out.

[DoRHd7]

Ok thanks Zaknaberrnon its looks like a very good game so im gonna buy it at soon as it arrive to stores thanks

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Yeah, the only thing you'll not see much of is a panel on the right hand side on the main menu which had regularly 'in-game' style news. Considering they did it for a year is impressive. We'll probably get to see some of it for few days when game is initially launched in Europe (or full week in US). As far as the game goes it doesn't really have an effect on it, as Zaknaberrnon stated, the main usage of the Cerberus Network is to gain access to all the nice DLC that is available that isn't initially on the disc (only the main DLCs are on the disc).

[BringerOfChaos]

Cyberstrike nTo wrote...

Zaknaberrnon wrote...

BringerOfChaos wrote...
I could get it for my PC but controlling games with a mouse+keyboard is plain silly.

That's your opinion. Me on the other hand; i suck at any game that requires shooting that needs a controller (yes i have an xbox and really like the controller ) but i feel really detached from the game, i dunno, just don't like using controllers that much. Give me a mause and keyboard, on the other hand, and i can do just about anything and it dosen't feel like i'm controlling anything, as if the character/gun/whatever on the screen is an extension of myself, so to speak.

... i don't know if i managed to transmit what i meant but whatever. basically for some poeple controllers are better for others mouse+keyboard are. I happen to fall into the latter group. No need to say that one system is stupid just cause you preffer the other.

btw happy new year, all

Give me a half a way decent controller and I can figure out just about any game in a few minutes without any tutorials. I play a PC game with a keyboard and mouse and I'll be lucky to get move a character forward in a month with tutorials.

I agree. I even tried it with a less demanding game like RE3 and I still just couldn't get comfortable with it.
Too much stuff going on.

[SolidSolidino]

Cyberstrike nTo wrote...
Give me a half a way decent controller and I can figure out just about any game in a few minutes without any tutorials. I play a PC game with a keyboard and mouse and I'll be lucky to get move a character forward in a month with tutorials.

use a 360 gamepad and live happy. XD

[Karim_A]

bobobo878 wrote...

I don't see why they can't make an exporter that lets you use PC saves on the PS3 version, that would be better than any comic book.

That would be AWESOME!! I bought Mass Effect 1 on the Steam sale and loved it! Will be getting Mass Effect 2 on PS3. Will make the same choices in the comic, but I doubt all the tiny choices will be included...

That being said was any information given regarding exactly what choices we will be allowed to make in the comic?

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

No but it is elementary what they'll be, considering what previews have said and from the most obvious choices they could be. 2 are most likely council related, 1 VS related, 1 Krogan related, 1 Rachni related and the last one whether Shep has a LI or not.

[Phaedon]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

No but it is elementary what they'll be, considering what previews have said and from the most obvious choices they could be. 2 are most likely council related, 1 VS related, 1 Krogan related, 1 Rachni related and the last one whether Shep has a LI or not.

Did someone call me?

[Karim_A]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

No but it is elementary what they'll be, considering what previews have said and from the most obvious choices they could be. 2 are most likely council related, 1 VS related, 1 Krogan related, 1 Rachni related and the last one whether Shep has a LI or not.

Did a bit of searching, and basically what you said. Kotaku has it listed as 6 choices and Mass Effect wikia expanded on exactly what they were. Though from what I have read the Conrad Verner impact is the same regardless of importing owing to a save file glitch. So essentially the comic covers the major influences...though in retrospect that was expected...

[Vena_86]

Score here score there. All these scores are just subjective representations of quality where the upper limit is now at a rediculous stage.

People don't look at actual review content anymore.

No a comic can not replace the first game and all decisions you make there. Not missing out? How about missing out on the atmosphere which ME2 does not have (it has it's own).

Pre-realease reviews are just disgusting. Bribedi bribe bribe. Thank you EA and honorless reviewers.

[Phaedon]

Vena_86 wrote...

Score here score there. All these scores are just subjective representations of quality where the upper limit is now at a rediculous stage.
People don't look at actual review content anymore.
No a comic can not replace the first game and all decisions you make there. Not missing out? How about missing out on the atmosphere which ME2 does not have (it has it's own).
Pre-realease reviews are just disgusting. Bribedi bribe bribe. Thank you EA and honorless reviewers.

You know, apparently accusing someone of bribery is not serious on the interwebs, but perhaps you should know that review sites get an early version of the game that is released. The current statistic average is also  67.56% -which is not ridiculously high- which doesn't matter either, since that doesn't overrate games, it's just the statistic standard of the average. So well, no.

[adam_grif]

When you buy a game on a console a certain percentage (between $7 - $10) goes to the console manufacturer but when you buy games on the PC nothing goes to Microsoft. So MS does not benefit in any way from games being sold on the PC (aside from the initial purchase of the Operating System which 9 out of 10 times is bundled with a PC anyway).

Microsoft takes a cut from the GFWL service, just like Valve, D2D etc all do when you purchase through their respective Digital Distribution service. But as you say there is no fee just for being a PC game.

[Zaifon]

when i tried the ps3 demo, i went on to buy ME1 and 2 for the PC.... And yeah going to keep it on my PC for sure, even tho ps3 version of me2 is the new engine, me2 still looks better on the pc, thanks to more advanced GFX options.



i was tempted to wait but if you can get both ME1 and ME2 to almost half the price of the ps3 version, it's hard to say no. xD



Great games, i hope ME3 will be more like ME1 in form of RPG elements/armours/weapons/skills ect. too, ME2 sure was dumbed down a lot.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Da_Lion_Man wrote...

That can't be right... why not buy LittleBigPlanet 2 or Dead Space 2 instead of a game you already own? I'd rather get DS2.
Doesn't make sense to me but whatever...

Because instead I am going to buy Dead Space 1 for the Xbox 360 even though I have it for the PS3

[Black-Xero]

Was anything less expected? It IS still ME2.

[CoffeeGamer]

Still think that PC version is the best. I grow up with mouse and keyboard, and my habits with shooting is better on PC.

[golak]

CoffeeGamer wrote...

Still think that PC version is the best. I grow up with mouse and keyboard, and my habits with shooting is better on PC.

plus there's some texture mods PC can use.
but enyway congratz bioware on the Gamersmaster score:lol: ME2 is da sh**z!