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[Saibh]

It's Thread the Third!

This thread is dedicated to what people would like to see in a gay romance for male Hawke. Your tastes, your expectations, your hopes. Speculation and discourse over these possible romances are allowed. But, please remember this thread is not a political soapbox. That's not the topic of this thread.

Inflammatory comments are not allowed. I will call attention to a mod immediately if I see one. For anyone who wants this thread to stay open, don't respond. That's the best and quickest way to diffuse a situation.

Here's the old thread, which has some excellent answers from the developers on many questions you might have. Peruse it first before asking, please.

Romances for all orientations are being included in DAII, so rejoice!

Q: Concerning the romances and love interest, are all the followers subject to this if I take in account the two genders of Hawke?

A: Not every follower is interested romantically in Hawke, though there are options for players of all genders and orientations.

Modifié par Saibh, 04 janvier 2011 - 07:04 .

[David Gaider]

If someone wishes to take part in the conversation, then heed Saibh's warning: this is not a vehicle to complain about Mass Effect, make inflammatory or insulting comments or discuss real world politics without a direct bearing on DA2.



Traditionally it's been impossible to talk about these romances without going there, so we'll see-- but if another thread needs to be shut down thanks to flagrant disregard for these rules it'll be taking a few of you with it. Duly warned.

[David Gaider]

jlb524 wrote...
They don't have to say that, but there are other ways to make it more explicit and the in game stuff was still lost on many people.

I get what you're saying... but was there a particular example of a happy, positive straight relationship in DAO?

Maybe it's just me, but it seemed like our tragedy was more or less equal-opportunity?

[David Gaider]

Upsettingshorts wrote...
Bryce and Eleanor.  Right up until the part where they were brutally murdered!

I suppose my problem is I don't believe in happy endings when it comes to love. Anyone who's played in one of my tabletop campaigns would probably wholeheartedly agree with that.

I'm not sure what that says about me.

I don't know that I would deliberately put in a positive gay relationship just to counter-balance what might be seen as a negative one. I just don't think of things in such a deliberately political way-- that strikes me as pretty banal. I don't think I'm afraid of it, however. Personally I'd point to Julian and Nicolas in the Calling as an example, since that's what I would call the most positive relationship in either of my books... you know, until they died horribly and all.

Maybe that doesn't "count" since it wasn't in the game itself. I'll have to keep it in mind. Like I've said before, that refridgerator is supposed to be reserved for the gals. Can't go breaking the rules, after all.

Modifié par David Gaider, 05 janvier 2011 - 06:39 .

[David Gaider]

jlb524 wrote...
Yes, but my original point was that it should be okay to express the thing that offend you or press your buttons as long as it's done civily and with respect (i.e., no pointless name calling).

I agree. I joke about the refridgerator, but it's a trope that needed to be called out in order to make writers think about what they're doing-- because sometimes a lot of what we do we do without actively thinking about it. Just because we dredge it up from our subconscious, however, doesn't mean it's automatically gold. I may not like the idea of politicizing what we write, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't consider what we're putting out there, especially when it comes to issues of privilege. It can always be better.

[David Gaider]

relhart wrote...
I don't see that technique as being wrong.  Whether modern women appreicate it or not, it's ingrained in men to be protective of them.  There really isn't any better or more effective way to get men emotionaly interested or invested in something than a damsel in distress.  I mean you must take advantage of little physcological hooks like that all the time, if you just do it uncoinciously, then hats off I guess.

I don't necessarily disagree with you, but the problem isn't doing it-- the problem is doing it without considering the possibility that you might be over-doing it or what you might be unintentionally saying by going to that same well over and over. There are, after all, different ways to get men emotionally involved than having terrible things happen to their wimmen-folk.

Again, you wouldn't want to do the opposite either and resort to tokenism, but that doesn't mean you should disregard issues brought up by those who might be sensitive to your portrayals. They may just be reading more into what you created than you intended, sure, but would it kill you to think about it? Privilege would tell us we should create whatever we want to because it's ours, and why bring unrelated issues into it? But there is also responsibility, and that applies to many more issues than simply sexuality or, say, race.

[David Gaider]

Jimmy Fury wrote...
Like it or not nobody has actually confirmed male-male romances. Only that "all genders and orientations" will be catered too.

Wow, that's some paranoia right there. Consider male-male romance confirmed, then.

Saibh wrote...
You know, I think they're in a lose-lose-lose situation with the M/M LI:

Fenris:
WHAT? He's an ELF? What is up with that stereotype, BioWare? Do you
have a problem with human bi guys? Or is that too risque for you?

Anders:
WHAT? You picked the flirty man-whorish goof-ball? Clearly he's the
most flamboyant of the men, so OF COURSE you picked him! What a
stereotype!

Varric: WHAT? You picked another rogue? And a dwarf? Are the good-looking guys reserved for the women or something?

I really think the only one that wouldn't raise any ire is Sebastian, but he's DLC. Although, he's a rogue too.

You forgot

Sebastian: WHAT? You mean if we want to sleep with another man we have to PAY FOR IT?!

On second thought, maybe all romances should be DLC. Now there's a thought...

Modifié par David Gaider, 08 février 2011 - 07:30 .

[David Gaider]

SebastianDA wrote...
Can you confirm if it's someone attractive and not varric? lol

I'm certain that, whoever it is, there will be at least twenty people who will immediately fly to the internet to tell us how ugly and/or inappropriate he is as a m/m romance.

[David Gaider]

MorningBird wrote...
I was lobeying for all bi LI in DA:2 a few pages back in this very thread, but someone posted confirmation that there would only be one f/f LI and one m/m LI.  If you search the back pages, you could probably find it, but I'm turning in for the night now.

I confirmed nothing. If you wish to interpret my wording, then make sure you say you're doing that rather than "it was confirmed".