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[Dhiro]

TheDarkBrotherhood wrote...

zrisso wrote...

TheDarkBrotherhood wrote...
...that being said, they could've easily showed us any openly gay couple(who are really gay, not bi) that aren't L.I or companions, because it's realistic, but they didn't.

Weren't Wade and whatshisface gay?

There's not proof he is gay and not bi.

David Gaider confirmed not only that they are a couple, but that the 'Desire Demon' thing isn't canon.

Also, it's impossible to know if anyone is gay and not bi unless they say it to you. For all that I care, they are gay.

Edit: Typos.

Modifié par Dhiro, 27 février 2011 - 02:04 .

[mesmerizedish]

Dhiro wrote...

zrisso wrote...

TheDarkBrotherhood wrote...
...that being said, they could've easily showed us any openly gay couple(who are really gay, not bi) that aren't L.I or companions, because it's realistic, but they didn't.

Weren't Wade and whatshisface gay?

That depends of what do you think about 'realistic.' How can we know what Ferelden think about homosexual couples? And don't 'human noble' me, they were the nicest family someone would like to have, I wouldn't be surprised if they accepted it because they loved their son, and not because Ferelden think it's 'cool'.

We know what Ferelden thinks because Mr. Gaider told us. We never had dialogue about Herren and Wade because in Thedas, it's a non-issue.

[Dhiro]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Dhiro wrote...

zrisso wrote...

TheDarkBrotherhood wrote...
...that being said, they could've easily showed us any openly gay couple(who are really gay, not bi) that aren't L.I or companions, because it's realistic, but they didn't.

Weren't Wade and whatshisface gay?

That depends of what do you think about 'realistic.' How can we know what Ferelden think about homosexual couples? And don't 'human noble' me, they were the nicest family someone would like to have, I wouldn't be surprised if they accepted it because they loved their son, and not because Ferelden think it's 'cool'.

We know what Ferelden thinks because Mr. Gaider told us. We never had dialogue about Herren and Wade because in Thedas, it's a non-issue.

Oh. Wel... uh...

...

I like cake, do you like cake?

[Taleroth]

Dhiro wrote...

David Gaider confirmed not only that they are a couple, but that the 'Desire Demon' think isn't canon.

 The Desire Demon should be, though.  It's a helper.  It was helping.

[Tyrium]

Blue_Shayde wrote...

RosaAquafire wrote...

I hate to rain on everybody's parade, but as much as I would LOVE everyone to be available to everyone -- my god, I do not want sexuality to be a subjective gameplay mechanic. Someone's sexuality is a part of who they are. If Anders is suddenly gay because Hawke wants him to be, that's not okay to me. Same with Merrill, and with Fenris. If it's more of a "well I enver thought of it before you came along," okay, that's cool. But if it's the exact same romance with no acknowledgement of it being same sex, with no acknowledgement of that character being bisexual, then I'm actually going to be amazingly bummed out.
I'd so rather character fidelity than everyone wanting to bone me :/ Subjective sexuality as a gameplay mechanic makes me angry. I want complete, whole, full-package CHARACTERS ... not recepticles for my love that change themselves based on what I want.
If this is true, it's the worst news I've heard in a long time
Sorry to be THAT GUY!!

No ones saying they'll be shallow like that. Maybe they won't be subjective. Maybe some will have a past behind their sexuality and some just haven't tried it out but are open to it. We have years in this game, not a few months or so. Maybe they will be full-package.

I'm just happy cause I personally don't want it to be Anders. For many reasons. xD (my thoughts)

I'm actually in the same boat. I want Anders to be straight and Fenris to be bi. To me, Awakening showed Anders was straight (no need to argue about this one, there are many valid opinions out there).

If I can't have straight Anders I want all bi so I can ignore it as a gameplay mechanism. Still, I would prefer fully fleshed out characters that aren't just "gay for Hawke". I could certainly take "I never considered it before you" though. If bisexuality is part of the character, that's great. Tacked on, not so much. That's why I'd prefer Fenris to be bi, we have no contradicting info.

Modifié par Tyrium, 27 février 2011 - 02:05 .

[Blue_Shayde]

I'd do Jowan. *runs away with Jowan and Tamlin*

[Ryzaki]

I believe it was described as someone with green hair. Some people will gape for a few secs and go "Really?" but for the most part no one cares.

[Fenn_]

Dhiro wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Dhiro wrote...

zrisso wrote...

TheDarkBrotherhood wrote...
...that being said, they could've easily showed us any openly gay couple(who are really gay, not bi) that aren't L.I or companions, because it's realistic, but they didn't.

Weren't Wade and whatshisface gay?

That depends of what do you think about 'realistic.' How can we know what Ferelden think about homosexual couples? And don't 'human noble' me, they were the nicest family someone would like to have, I wouldn't be surprised if they accepted it because they loved their son, and not because Ferelden think it's 'cool'.

We know what Ferelden thinks because Mr. Gaider told us. We never had dialogue about Herren and Wade because in Thedas, it's a non-issue.

Oh. Wel... uh...

...

I like cake, do you like cake?

When its not a lie

[Taleroth]

Blue_Shayde wrote...

I'd do Jowan. *runs away with Jowan and Tamlin*

I called dibs on Jowan.

[TheDarkBrotherhood]

zrisso wrote...

TheDarkBrotherhood wrote...

Wasn't he a Desire demon, besides there's not proof he is gay and not bi.

I thought a writer (Gaider, again?) said that they were gay, and that the desire demon thing was a joke and not canon.

SPOILER:
If the player attempts to attack, Herren will shapeshift into a Desire Demon and teleport the two men to parts unknown, and i was mistaken, harren is the desire demon, not wade.

[wulf3n]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...
Yes, because making all four romances bi wouldn't cause any waves at all. If they were looking to not make waves, they'd take the route they took with Origins. I think this is a definite step forward for us queer players.

How is having all the characters bi going to make any more waves than having one? If there was going to be controversy over bi-sexuality in games, it won't matter how many characters are bi.

When i talk about waves, im not talking about the media or government or anything like that, im talking about disgruntled fans, who feel left out, and start bagging the game. But instead of giving the whining baby it's bottle, and make every character romanceable to everyone, they should EVERYONE that  sometimes people just won't want to have sex with you.

Having a bi character or two is fine, if its a part of their character. Having ALL the characters bi simply to stop people from whining about being left out is not a step in the right direction. Having realistic and mature characters with sexuality as a part of thier personality, without regard to wether players will be upset that they can't romance a character they liked.

TheDarkBrotherhood wrote...
You see, people will get mad when they say "sorry im gay, i thought you knew that? i just want to be friends.", but some people will also get mad if they said"sorry im straight, i thought you knew that? i just want to be friends.", so it's the same thing, that's the reason why BioWare might make them all bi, it has nothing to do with it being "realistic" because as i said it's not realistic to not see a gay person either, that being said, they could've easily showed us any openly gay couple(who are really gay, not bi) that aren't L.I or companions, because it's realistic, but they didn't.

It's about equality IMO. Bioware can go the easy route, of making everyone bi, so everyone feels included, or they could take a more serious, and realistic approach of having straight and gay characters, so that both sides feel equally excluded.

Modifié par wulf3n, 27 février 2011 - 02:09 .

[Dhiro]

TheDarkBrotherhood wrote...

zrisso wrote...

TheDarkBrotherhood wrote...

Wasn't he a Desire demon, besides there's not proof he is gay and not bi.

I thought a writer (Gaider, again?) said that they were gay, and that the desire demon thing was a joke and not canon.

SPOILER:
If the player attempts to attack, Herren will shapeshift into a Desire Demon and teleport the two men to parts unknown, and i was mistaken, harren is the desire demon, not wade.

It only occurs in Darkspawn Chronicles, and, as I and... other person said, David Gaider said it wasn't canon.

[Blue_Shayde]

well, I personally just like the idea of finally getting two choices. note the word: Choice. Instead of only one bi character per gender, or else your screwed.

[Greer]

TheDarkBrotherhood wrote...

zrisso wrote...

TheDarkBrotherhood wrote...
...that being said, they could've easily showed us any openly gay couple(who are really gay, not bi) that aren't L.I or companions, because it's realistic, but they didn't.

Weren't Wade and whatshisface gay?

There's not proof he is gay and not bi.
EDIT: also Herren is a desire demon.

Wade and Herren are a couple. Whether they're gay or bi is unknown, but they are together. Herren, however is not a desire demon. Gaider flat out said that was Darkspawn Chronicles only and not canon.

Edit: ed

Modifié par Greer, 27 février 2011 - 02:07 .

[mesmerizedish]

Dhiro wrote...

Oh. Wel... uh...

...

I like cake, do you like cake?

Haha... yes, I like cake

[Blue_Shayde]

Greer wrote...

TheDarkBrotherhood wrote...

zrisso wrote...

TheDarkBrotherhood wrote...

There's not proof he is gay and not bi.
EDIT: also Herren is a desire demon.

Wade and Herren are a couple. Whether they're gay or bi is unknown, but they are together. Herren, however is not a desire demon. Gaider flat out said that was Darkspawn Chronicles only and not canon.

i believe he called the 'desire demon' thing a parody, in fact.

After all, if anything in Darkspawn Chronicles was canon, then......Denerim would be toast, right? 

Modifié par Blue_Shayde, 27 février 2011 - 02:09 .

[TheDarkBrotherhood]

Dhiro wrote...

TheDarkBrotherhood wrote...

zrisso wrote...

TheDarkBrotherhood wrote...

Wasn't he a Desire demon, besides there's not proof he is gay and not bi.

I thought a writer (Gaider, again?) said that they were gay, and that the desire demon thing was a joke and not canon.

SPOILER:
If the player attempts to attack, Herren will shapeshift into a Desire Demon and teleport the two men to parts unknown, and i was mistaken, harren is the desire demon, not wade.

It only occurs in Darkspawn Chronicles, and, as I and... other person said, David Gaider said it wasn't canon.

Whatever it is, before david confirmed it, they didn't seem like a couple at all, they never said it, they seemed like they had a typical business relationship, and they weren't openly gay, it's not like when you talk to one of them they say "hi i'm harren/wade, and this is my boyfriend wade/harren", and we are also not sure if they really are gay and not bi.

[Dhiro]

TheDarkBrotherhood wrote...

Dhiro wrote...

TheDarkBrotherhood wrote...

zrisso wrote...

TheDarkBrotherhood wrote...

Wasn't he a Desire demon, besides there's not proof he is gay and not bi.

I thought a writer (Gaider, again?) said that they were gay, and that the desire demon thing was a joke and not canon.

SPOILER:
If the player attempts to attack, Herren will shapeshift into a Desire Demon and teleport the two men to parts unknown, and i was mistaken, harren is the desire demon, not wade.

It only occurs in Darkspawn Chronicles, and, as I and... other person said, David Gaider said it wasn't canon.

Whatever it is, before david confirmed it, they didn't seem like a couple at all, they never said it, they seemed like they had a typical business relationship, and they weren't openly gay, it's not like when you talk to one of them they say "hi i'm harren/wade, and this is my boyfriend wade/harren", and we are also not sure if they really are gay and not bi.

I already gave my opinion about the 'gay or bi' part. And If I'm not mistaken, many people said that they thought the two of them were a couple even before Dinosaur Gaider confirmed it.

I really don't care at all, actually.

[mesmerizedish]

TheDarkBrotherhood wrote...

Whatever it is, before david confirmed it, they didn't seem like a couple at all, they never said it, they seemed like they had a typical business relationship, and they weren't openly gay, it's not like when you talk to one of them they say "hi i'm harren/wade, and this is my boyfriend wade/harren", and we are also not sure if they really are gay and not bi.

Uh... you could tell. Well, clearly you couldn't, but a lot of people could. There was subtext. The way the interacted with each other was certainly not a "typical business relationship."

[EDIT] Why can't I make my Merrill banner less tall so my Isabela banner fits all the way? 

Modifié par ishmaeltheforsaken, 27 février 2011 - 02:12 .

[Ryzaki]

It's about equality IMO. Bioware can go the easy route, of making everyone bi, so everyone feels included, or they could take a more serious, and realistic approach of having straight and gay characters, so that both sides feel equally excluded.

I would enjoy the exclusion version. More replaybility.

[zrisso]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought they were gay before Gaider said they were, haha. I thought I was reading too much into it.

[Greer]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

TheDarkBrotherhood wrote...

Whatever it is, before david confirmed it, they didn't seem like a couple at all, they never said it, they seemed like they had a typical business relationship, and they weren't openly gay, it's not like when you talk to one of them they say "hi i'm harren/wade, and this is my boyfriend wade/harren", and we are also not sure if they really are gay and not bi.

Uh... you could tell. Well, clearly you couldn't, but a lot of people could. There was subtext. The way the interacted with each other was certainly not a "typical business relationship."

Totally agree with Ishmael. And, at the risk of sounding offensive, why do you care if they are gay or bi? They are two men who have been confirmed to be in a relationship together, who many assumed were together even before the confirmation of such. As far as I'm concerned, as there is evidence of absence otherwise, they're gay.

[TheDarkBrotherhood]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

TheDarkBrotherhood wrote...

Whatever it is, before david confirmed it, they didn't seem like a couple at all, they never said it, they seemed like they had a typical business relationship, and they weren't openly gay, it's not like when you talk to one of them they say "hi i'm harren/wade, and this is my boyfriend wade/harren", and we are also not sure if they really are gay and not bi.

Uh... you could tell. Well, clearly you couldn't, but a lot of people could. There was subtext. The way the interacted with each other was certainly not a "typical business relationship."

Really? give me any sign that made you think they are a couple, even if they actually seemed like a couple, it still isn't realistic to have only one gay couple in the whole game, which is my point.

Modifié par TheDarkBrotherhood, 27 février 2011 - 02:15 .

[mesmerizedish]

Ryzaki wrote...

It's about equality IMO. Bioware can go the easy route, of making everyone bi, so everyone feels included, or they could take a more serious, and realistic approach of having straight and gay characters, so that both sides feel equally excluded.

I would enjoy the exclusion version. More replaybility.

But I don't want that much realism in my game. Mr. Gaider said in an article recently that, in the end, it's about wish-fulfillment on the part of the player. There are plenty of places for serious and realistic situations in the game, but whom I can romance shouldn't be one of them*.




*This is my opinion. But, my opinions are facts. Accept it, ****es.

[Dhiro]

TheDarkBrotherhood wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

TheDarkBrotherhood wrote...

Whatever it is, before david confirmed it, they didn't seem like a couple at all, they never said it, they seemed like they had a typical business relationship, and they weren't openly gay, it's not like when you talk to one of them they say "hi i'm harren/wade, and this is my boyfriend wade/harren", and we are also not sure if they really are gay and not bi.

Uh... you could tell. Well, clearly you couldn't, but a lot of people could. There was subtext. The way the interacted with each other was certainly not a "typical business relationship."

Really? give me any sign that made you think they are a couple, even if they actually seemed like a couple, it still isn't realistic to have only one gay couple in the whole game, which is my point.

How? Dragon Age: Origins last 1 ~ 2 years. In all the years I am alive I only saw one gay couple, a lesbian one, in fact, and one of the people involved was bi. I don't think that unrealistic at all.