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[Lucy Glitter]

Fenris/MHawke

WOOHOO

[Ryzaki]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...
But I don't want that much realism in my game. Mr. Gaider said in an article recently that, in the end, it's about wish-fulfillment on the part of the player. There are plenty of places for serious and realistic situations in the game, but whom I can romance shouldn't be one of them*.
*This is my opinion. But, my opinions are facts. Accept it, ****es.

No ishmael you opinions are not facts.  

Really though I just exclusive options so I can get some qq'ing all around. 

And yes that includes my own. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 27 février 2011 - 02:20 .

[Dhiro]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

Fenris/MHawke

WOOHOO

Fenris on top?

I don't know you.

[wulf3n]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...
But I don't want that much realism in my game. Mr. Gaider said in an article recently that, in the end, it's about wish-fulfillment on the part of the player. There are plenty of places for serious and realistic situations in the game, but whom I can romance shouldn't be one of them*.

It doesn't feel the same if we're just given everything. The main problem i have with bioware romances, and romance in games in general is that it's too easy. Where's the sense of accomplishment? As soon as a characters hints at being romancable, i know all i have to do is talk to them and they'll fall head over heals. I thought games were about challenge, wihthout it, its just an interactive movie. I guess that's why being turned down by a character is such a relief.

[Ryzaki]

Anyways about that FenrisxM!Hawke pic. Can someone point me to the post that translated the text?

[mesmerizedish]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

Fenris/MHawke

WOOHOO

*cheers*

[Blue_Shayde]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
 

But I don't want that much realism in my game. Mr. Gaider said in an article recently that, in the end, it's about wish-fulfillment on the part of the player. There are plenty of places for serious and realistic situations in the game, but whom I can romance shouldn't be one of them*.

*This is my opinion. But, my opinions are facts. Accept it, ****es.

I like that opinion. xD 

Honestly, I'm sad to see a lot go. It used to be fun talking with your friends about your character. What race you picked, what origin, what choices you made, what sort of personality you gave him, who you dated, who you failed to date.............now all there is is one origin and one race. All we can do now is choose if f/m hawke will be nice, mean, or sarcastic. So maybe I want to have open relationships...to give myself a little more reason to play a second time.

[TheDarkBrotherhood]

Dhiro wrote...

TheDarkBrotherhood wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

TheDarkBrotherhood wrote...

Whatever it is, before david confirmed it, they didn't seem like a couple at all, they never said it, they seemed like they had a typical business relationship, and they weren't openly gay, it's not like when you talk to one of them they say "hi i'm harren/wade, and this is my boyfriend wade/harren", and we are also not sure if they really are gay and not bi.

Uh... you could tell. Well, clearly you couldn't, but a lot of people could. There was subtext. The way the interacted with each other was certainly not a "typical business relationship."

Really? give me any sign that made you think they are a couple, even if they actually seemed like a couple, it still isn't realistic to have only one gay couple in the whole game, which is my point.

How? Dragon Age: Origins last 1 ~ 2 years. In all the years I am alive I only saw one gay couple, a lesbian one, in fact, and one of the people involved was bi. I don't think that unrealistic at all.

So, everyone being bi is not realistic, but when it comes to only seeing one//two gay couples in your life it's realistic, sorry, but i fail to see that, i'm sure you've seen a lot of famous gay/lesbian couples like ellen and portia, that being said, don't take it too personal, it's alright, i was just arguing with this person who said "not everyone should be bi because it's unrealistic".

Modifié par TheDarkBrotherhood, 27 février 2011 - 02:24 .

[Blue_Shayde]

TheDarkBrotherhood wrote...

Dhiro wrote...

TheDarkBrotherhood wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

TheDarkBrotherhood wrote...

So, everyone being bi is not realistic, but when it comes to only seeing one//two gay couplesin your life it's realistic, sorry, but i fail to see that, i'm sure you've seen a lot of famous gay/lesbian couples like ellen and portia, that being said, don't take it too personal, it's alright, i was just arguing with this person who said "not everyone should be bi because it's unrealistic".

I still hate that argument. I'm casting bloody spells here against a 3 story tall dragon. What part of this is realistic in your opinion? 

[dreamextractor]

Blue_Shayde wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
 

But I don't want that much realism in my game. Mr. Gaider said in an article recently that, in the end, it's about wish-fulfillment on the part of the player. There are plenty of places for serious and realistic situations in the game, but whom I can romance shouldn't be one of them*.

*This is my opinion. But, my opinions are facts. Accept it, ****es.

I like that opinion. xD 

Honestly, I'm sad to see a lot go. It used to be fun talking with your friends about your character. What race you picked, what origin, what choices you made, what sort of personality you gave him, who you dated, who you failed to date.............now all there is is one origin and one race. All we can do now is choose if f/m hawke will be nice, mean, or sarcastic. So maybe I want to have open relationships...to give myself a little more reason to play a second time.

But there weren't that many different dialoge choices to pick for personality in DA:O either...

And I don't really understand the italics, we can likely still fail to woo a character.

Modifié par dreamextractor, 27 février 2011 - 02:27 .

[TheDarkBrotherhood]

Blue_Shayde wrote...

TheDarkBrotherhood wrote...

Dhiro wrote...

TheDarkBrotherhood wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

TheDarkBrotherhood wrote...

So, everyone being bi is not realistic, but when it comes to only seeing one//two gay couplesin your life it's realistic, sorry, but i fail to see that, i'm sure you've seen a lot of famous gay/lesbian couples like ellen and portia, that being said, don't take it too personal, it's alright, i was just arguing with this person who said "not everyone should be bi because it's unrealistic".

I still hate that argument. I'm casting bloody spells here against a 3 story tall dragon. What part of this is realistic in your opinion? 

i know right? .

[Ryzaki]

For the love of god if I hear the "realistic" arguement I'll kick something. Very little about your party working together, following Hawke's commands, acquiescing to his/her decisions is realistic. The fact that a pirate queen who owes a powerful man money, a city guard, am elven blood mage, an abomination, a living weapon, a notorious spy master. Join you and go travelling with you is already pretty unrealistic. The fact that a mage can shoot fire from his/her hands and not get burned is pretty unrealistic, plenty of things in the game is unrealistic. LAWL Physics? What's those? LAWL gravity! What's that? LAWL the way the human body works? Pfft. But all of that gets a free pass. 

The fact that Morrigan didn't ditch you the second she saw the HN was a goody two shoes with a halo on his head is unrealstic, Alistair romancing a complete monster who showered him with gifts is unrealistic, Zevran romancinga Human supremist is unrealistic, Leliana romancing a complete monster is unrealistic. Yet all of those are fine. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 27 février 2011 - 02:30 .

[Dhiro]

TheDarkBrotherhood wrote...

Dhiro wrote...

TheDarkBrotherhood wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

TheDarkBrotherhood wrote...

Whatever it is, before david confirmed it, they didn't seem like a couple at all, they never said it, they seemed like they had a typical business relationship, and they weren't openly gay, it's not like when you talk to one of them they say "hi i'm harren/wade, and this is my boyfriend wade/harren", and we are also not sure if they really are gay and not bi.

Uh... you could tell. Well, clearly you couldn't, but a lot of people could. There was subtext. The way the interacted with each other was certainly not a "typical business relationship."

Really? give me any sign that made you think they are a couple, even if they actually seemed like a couple, it still isn't realistic to have only one gay couple in the whole game, which is my point.

How? Dragon Age: Origins last 1 ~ 2 years. In all the years I am alive I only saw one gay couple, a lesbian one, in fact, and one of the people involved was bi. I don't think that unrealistic at all.

So, everyone being bi is not realistic, but when it comes to only seeing one//two gay couples in your life it's realistic, sorry, but i fail to see that, i'm sure you've seen a lot of famous gay/lesbian couples like ellen and portia, that being said, don't take it too personal, it's alright, i was just arguing with this person who said "not everyone should be bi because it's unrealistic".

Ellen and who? And why should I take it personal? And I fail in see how knowing only X gay couples being realistic should make everyone bisexual realistic too.

[Some Geth]

Ryzaki wrote...

For the love of god if I hear the "realistic" arguement I'll kick something. Very little about your party working together, following Hawke's commands, acquiescing to his/her decisions is realistic. The fact that a pirate queen who owes a powerful man money, a city guard, am elven blood mage, an abomination, a living weapon, a notorious spy master. Join you and go travelling with you is already pretty unrealistic. The fact that a mage can shoot fire from his/her hands and not get burned is pretty unrealistic, plenty of things in the game is unrealistic. But all of that gets a free pass.

Just to let you know that is not why I think they will not all be bi .

[MorningBird]

RosaAquafire wrote...

And I get all of this -- it's one of several reasons why I think it would be a step back, in my opinion. People who don't want to share? People who are offended by the idea of a bisexual LI? That seems like a step back from Zevran and Leliana, as far as I'm concerned. We wouldn't want to make heterosexuals uncomfortable, after all.

But the main reason is that I just want characters to be characters, not gameplay features. That's what I LOVE about Dragon Age, what I LOVE about Bioware. Their characters are full, realized people, not just pieces of furniture in my personal story. And that's what I want

Once again, I really don't think you have anything to worry about.

BioWare does have to sell games, but they're still making their games, and I perceive the Dragon Age team as being refreshingly open-minded and understanding.  I don't really think they 'cater' to anyone (majority or minority), they just make the kinds of games they'd like to play themselves with the limited resources and finances available to them.

That being said, if they have to spend their money on something, it's better if it's something the majority of players will take advantage of, but that doesn't mean they won't take the occasional risk if it's something they want to do.

It seems your main concern is that 'sexual subjectivity = worse characterization/hollow romance' (feel free to correct me, if I'm wrong) but I honestly don't think you need to worry.  Perhaps it's just my unwavering faith (or the fact that I'm supremely easy to please) but BioWare doesn't strike me as the kind of company that would implement something half-assed.

We're all just going to have to wait and see how it goes.

[Blue_Shayde]

dreamextractor wrote...

Blue_Shayde wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
 

But there weren't that many different dialoge choices to pick for personality in DA:O either...

Oh no. I made a elf mage who was true to the circle and did what was right, soft-spoken for the most part but brave.

Then I did a Dalish elf with an impish personality who loved to cause trouble or get caught up in it, but would stubbornly stand for what he believed in.

Then you could turn around and make a blood mage who hated the circle and his life, was proud of his power and wished in the end for mages to be given more freedom.

Or an elf who was proud of his dalish blood, who looked down on humans and refused to bow to their king...

Then there was my city elf who punched right back at the humans, loved to steal and joke around. (ok, I like elves and impish characters. xD)

yadda yadda. There were many choices through out the game in which you could craft a character and his mindset with. =)

Modifié par Blue_Shayde, 27 février 2011 - 02:31 .

[Ryzaki]

Some Geth wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

For the love of god if I hear the "realistic" arguement I'll kick something. Very little about your party working together, following Hawke's commands, acquiescing to his/her decisions is realistic. The fact that a pirate queen who owes a powerful man money, a city guard, am elven blood mage, an abomination, a living weapon, a notorious spy master. Join you and go travelling with you is already pretty unrealistic. The fact that a mage can shoot fire from his/her hands and not get burned is pretty unrealistic, plenty of things in the game is unrealistic. But all of that gets a free pass.

Just to let you know that is not why I think they will not all be bi .

Oh I know. 

Frankly I think it's resource reasons. Just not pratical. But whatever. Fenris. 

[Taleroth]

Dhiro wrote...

TheDarkBrotherhood wrote...

Dhiro wrote...

TheDarkBrotherhood wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

TheDarkBrotherhood wrote...

Whatever it is, before david confirmed it, they didn't seem like a couple at all, they never said it, they seemed like they had a typical business relationship, and they weren't openly gay, it's not like when you talk to one of them they say "hi i'm harren/wade, and this is my boyfriend wade/harren", and we are also not sure if they really are gay and not bi.

Uh... you could tell. Well, clearly you couldn't, but a lot of people could. There was subtext. The way the interacted with each other was certainly not a "typical business relationship."

Really? give me any sign that made you think they are a couple, even if they actually seemed like a couple, it still isn't realistic to have only one gay couple in the whole game, which is my point.

How? Dragon Age: Origins last 1 ~ 2 years. In all the years I am alive I only saw one gay couple, a lesbian one, in fact, and one of the people involved was bi. I don't think that unrealistic at all.

So, everyone being bi is not realistic, but when it comes to only seeing one//two gay couples in your life it's realistic, sorry, but i fail to see that, i'm sure you've seen a lot of famous gay/lesbian couples like ellen and portia, that being said, don't take it too personal, it's alright, i was just arguing with this person who said "not everyone should be bi because it's unrealistic".

Ellen and who? And why should I take it personal? And I fail in see how knowing only X gay couples being realistic should make everyone bisexual realistic too.

Gentlemen, you're all pretty.  Stop the fighting.

[mesmerizedish]

Ryzaki wrote...

For the love of god if I hear the "realistic" arguement I'll kick something. Very little about your party working together, following Hawke's commands, acquiescing to his/her decisions is realistic. The fact that a pirate queen who owes a powerful man money, a city guard, am elven blood mage, an abomination, a living weapon, a notorious spy master. Join you and go travelling with you is already pretty unrealistic. The fact that a mage can shoot fire from his/her hands and not get burned is pretty unrealistic, plenty of things in the game is unrealistic. LAWL Physics? What's those? LAWL gravity! What's that? LAWL the way the human body works? Pfft. But all of that gets a free pass. 

Actually, I'm going to (potentially) alienate myself here and say that "magic" is not an answer to the "realism" arguement. Magic is part of the setting's bones. "Realism" in this context doesn't mean "like the real world." It means "consistent with the setting's internal logic." Magic is consistent.

That said, the simple "realism" concessions that are required for gameplay do answer the "realism" argument. The party system, party interaction, the fact that you're hooking up with these people at all to go play tennis with Hurlock testes... these are all "unrealistic," even in terms of the setting's estabilished rules. What these things are consistent with is the fact that it's a game. Since it's a game, I can romance these people regardless of my gender, even if it's not "realistic."

[Blue_Shayde]

Ryzaki wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

For the love of god if I hear the "realistic" arguement I'll kick something. Very little about your party working together, following Hawke's commands, acquiescing to his/her decisions is realistic. The fact that a pirate queen who owes a powerful man money, a city guard, am elven blood mage, an abomination, a living weapon, a notorious spy master. Join you and go travelling with you is already pretty unrealistic. The fact that a mage can shoot fire from his/her hands and not get burned is pretty unrealistic, plenty of things in the game is unrealistic. But all of that gets a free pass.

Just to let you know that is not why I think they will not all be bi .

Oh I know. 

Frankly I think it's resource reasons. Just not pratical. But whatever. Fenris. 

I second Fenris!

[TheDarkBrotherhood]

Dhiro wrote...

TheDarkBrotherhood wrote...

Dhiro wrote...

TheDarkBrotherhood wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

TheDarkBrotherhood wrote...

Whatever it is, before david confirmed it, they didn't seem like a couple at all, they never said it, they seemed like they had a typical business relationship, and they weren't openly gay, it's not like when you talk to one of them they say "hi i'm harren/wade, and this is my boyfriend wade/harren", and we are also not sure if they really are gay and not bi.

Uh... you could tell. Well, clearly you couldn't, but a lot of people could. There was subtext. The way the interacted with each other was certainly not a "typical business relationship."

Really? give me any sign that made you think they are a couple, even if they actually seemed like a couple, it still isn't realistic to have only one gay couple in the whole game, which is my point.

How? Dragon Age: Origins last 1 ~ 2 years. In all the years I am alive I only saw one gay couple, a lesbian one, in fact, and one of the people involved was bi. I don't think that unrealistic at all.

So, everyone being bi is not realistic, but when it comes to only seeing one//two gay couples in your life it's realistic, sorry, but i fail to see that, i'm sure you've seen a lot of famous gay/lesbian couples like ellen and portia, that being said, don't take it too personal, it's alright, i was just arguing with this person who said "not everyone should be bi because it's unrealistic".

Ellen and who? And why should I take it personal? And I fail in see how knowing only X gay couples being realistic should make everyone bisexual realistic too.

I really hope you're being sarcastic, i didn't say "knowing only X gay couples being realistic should make everyone bisexual realistic too", i said if you're going to argue about it not being realistic, then i'll give you something unrealistic too, how old are you and where do you live, you can't seriously say you've only seen two gay couples in your life, because you could be lying to prove your point.

Modifié par TheDarkBrotherhood, 27 février 2011 - 02:32 .

[Dhiro]

Taleroth wrote...
Gentlemen, you're all pretty.  Stop the fighting.

What fight?

[Dhiro]

TheDarkBrotherhood wrote...
I really hope you're being sarcastic, i didn't say "knowing only X gay couples being realistic should make everyone bisexual realistic too", i said if you're going to argue about it not being realistic, then i'll give you something unrealistic too, how old are you and where do you live, you can't seriously say you've only seen two gay couples in your life, because you could be lying to prove your point.

If until now I was lying to prove my point, I don't see what would stop me from lying again.

Edit: Wall of text, now pretty.

Modifié par Dhiro, 27 février 2011 - 02:34 .

[Taleroth]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

For the love of god if I hear the "realistic" arguement I'll kick something. Very little about your party working together, following Hawke's commands, acquiescing to his/her decisions is realistic. The fact that a pirate queen who owes a powerful man money, a city guard, am elven blood mage, an abomination, a living weapon, a notorious spy master. Join you and go travelling with you is already pretty unrealistic. The fact that a mage can shoot fire from his/her hands and not get burned is pretty unrealistic, plenty of things in the game is unrealistic. LAWL Physics? What's those? LAWL gravity! What's that? LAWL the way the human body works? Pfft. But all of that gets a free pass. 

Actually, I'm going to (potentially) alienate myself here and say that "magic" is not an answer to the "realism" arguement. Magic is part of the setting's bones. "Realism" in this context doesn't mean "like the real world." It means "consistent with the setting's internal logic." Magic is consistent.

That said, the simple "realism" concessions that are required for gameplay do answer the "realism" argument. The party system, party interaction, the fact that you're hooking up with these people at all to go play tennis with Hurlock testes... these are all "unrealistic," even in terms of the setting's estabilished rules. What these things are consistent with is the fact that it's a game. Since it's a game, I can romance these people regardless of my gender, even if it's not "realistic."

You could have settled for just saying "fantasy."  The backbone of empowerment and wish fulfillment beyond realism are built into the genre.

Dhiro wrote...

Taleroth wrote...
Gentlemen, you're all pretty.  Stop the fighting.

What fight?

I... don't... know.  It's a quote pyramid!  Those mean fights!

Modifié par Taleroth, 27 février 2011 - 02:34 .

[Ryzaki]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

For the love of god if I hear the "realistic" arguement I'll kick something. Very little about your party working together, following Hawke's commands, acquiescing to his/her decisions is realistic. The fact that a pirate queen who owes a powerful man money, a city guard, am elven blood mage, an abomination, a living weapon, a notorious spy master. Join you and go travelling with you is already pretty unrealistic. The fact that a mage can shoot fire from his/her hands and not get burned is pretty unrealistic, plenty of things in the game is unrealistic. LAWL Physics? What's those? LAWL gravity! What's that? LAWL the way the human body works? Pfft. But all of that gets a free pass. 

Actually, I'm going to (potentially) alienate myself here and say that "magic" is not an answer to the "realism" arguement. Magic is part of the setting's bones. "Realism" in this context doesn't mean "like the real world." It means "consistent with the setting's internal logic." Magic is consistent.

That said, the simple "realism" concessions that are required for gameplay do answer the "realism" argument. The party system, party interaction, the fact that you're hooking up with these people at all to go play tennis with Hurlock testes... these are all "unrealistic," even in terms of the setting's estabilished rules. What these things are consistent with is the fact that it's a game. Since it's a game, I can romance these people regardless of my gender, even if it's not "realistic."

Fine I'll give you magic. That doesn't excuse warriors being dropped from a dragon's mouth in massive plate and getting up with out breaking a single bone.