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[Narwool]

Didn't they technically already announce the f/f LI, since Isabella is bi? Or maybe that's not official yet.

I have no idea why they are keeping the m/m a secret...did they keep all s/s LI's secret during th DA:O release too?

[Ryzaki]

Narwool wrote...

Didn't they technically already announce the f/f LI, since Isabella is bi? Or maybe that's not official yet.

I have no idea why they are keeping the m/m a secret...did they keep all s/s LI's secret during th DA:O release too?

Yeah it was leaked by some magazine. 

Though they had no problem showing Izzy's recruitment (or the demo) where Isabela blatantly hits on FemHawke who gives a smile in response. But that's okay because it's F/F. <_< 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 28 février 2011 - 12:10 .

[Blacklash93]

Ryzaki wrote...

Matt Drake wrote...

 Just thought about this, and if it was already addressed sorry. Did any of the devs give a reason for why the m/m (or s/s in general for that matter, since f/f aren't confirmed either as far as I know) romance is kept secret until release? I'm asking because I'm curious about the official reason. Thanks 

Edit: corrected wording lol

They never gave a reason. So take it to believe everyone's bi, some take it because they didn't want the s/s LI to be discriminated against before hand, some take it because they didn't want a s/s LI, some take it because they feed off our tears. 

So your guess is as good as ours. 

AUFGE- *punches self*

[mesmerizedish]

Narwool wrote...

Didn't they technically already announce the f/f LI, since Isabella is bi? Or maybe that's not official yet.

I have no idea why they are keeping the m/m a secret...did they keep all s/s LI's secret during th DA:O release too?

Isabela is "as good as confirmed" but there's been no official word. They haven't announced that any of them are M/F romances either, and this is because they're all bi.

[mesmerizedish]

Ryzaki wrote...
But that's okay because it's F/F. <_< 

It's actually spelled h-a-w-t.

[Ryzaki]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
But that's okay because it's F/F. <_< 

It's actually spelled h-a-w-t.

Riiiiight.  give Izzy some normal looking boobs and we'll talk 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 28 février 2011 - 12:13 .

[Narwool]

Ryzaki wrote...

Narwool wrote...

Didn't they technically already announce the f/f LI, since Isabella is bi? Or maybe that's not official yet.

I have no idea why they are keeping the m/m a secret...did they keep all s/s LI's secret during th DA:O release too?

Yeah it was leaked by some magazine. 

Though they had no problem showing Izzy's recruitment (or the demo) where Isabela blatantly hits on FemHawke who gives a smile in response. But that's okay because it's F/F. <_< 

Then I'm going to assume they're keeping the m/m a secret so there isn't some uproar from the homophobes or something. Blegh. DDx

[Matt Drake]

 Oh ok. Thanks for the answers. I thought I missed an official reason thingie. Eh. So back to waiting for the day the game is out (+ X hours ) to have hopes smashed into paste umm to find out. 

[Hypallage]

Bros.

[lilliful]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

*whistles* It's getting crowded in here.

In a good way, even!  What's shocking is how on-topic everyone is. Even our trolls are on-topic. I just perused through the Fenris thread to see if any new fanart had been released, and it's a veritable circus with the occasional flame juggler.

It also occurs to me that people were bringing up a point the other day that I meant to respond to: the idea that it would be troubling for a character's sexuality to be "tacked on" and that sexuality is an inherent part of the initial characterization. Actually, to me, this makes very little sense. Being bisexual doesn't define who I am in any meaningful way beyond who I choose to enter a relationship with. I've gone through some evolution in my sexuality since my youth, as I'm sure some of you have, and discovering I was bisexual didn't change who I fundamentally am -- my likes and dislikes, hopes and dreams, what's important to me. Would it really even be fair, if Anders has a "Bi the way" moment to say "this kind of character couldn't realistically be bisexual?" What wouldn't be bisexual about him? Why would it feel tacked on? Any kind of person can be bisexual... it's not a trait that inherently clashes with other character traits such as to make an unrealistic person. Anyway, that's my two cents.

Hypallage wrote...

Bros.
*snip*

If I didn't have Catherine, I would have fallen in love with you D: So adorable!

Modifié par lilliful, 28 février 2011 - 12:18 .

[mesmerizedish]

Narwool wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Narwool wrote...

Didn't they technically already announce the f/f LI, since Isabella is bi? Or maybe that's not official yet.

I have no idea why they are keeping the m/m a secret...did they keep all s/s LI's secret during th DA:O release too?

Yeah it was leaked by some magazine. 

Though they had no problem showing Izzy's recruitment (or the demo) where Isabela blatantly hits on FemHawke who gives a smile in response. But that's okay because it's F/F. <_< 

Then I'm going to assume they're keeping the m/m a secret so there isn't some uproar from the homophobes or something. Blegh. DDx

I think you may have misunderstood Ryz. What she meant was that Origins s/s pairings were leaked. The only thing magazines have said about DAII is that Fenris is a s/s romance and that the bi romances have been aufgestockt.

lilliful wrote...

It also occurs to me that people were
bringing up a point the other day that I meant to respond to: the idea
that it would be troubling for a character's sexuality to be "tacked on"
and that sexuality is an inherent part of the initial characterization.
Actually, to me, this makes very little sense. Being bisexual doesn't
define who I am in any meaningful way beyond who I choose to enter a
relationship with. I've gone through some evolution in my sexuality
since my youth, as I'm sure some of you have, and discovering I was
bisexual didn't change who I fundamentally am -- my likes and dislikes,
hopes and dreams, what's important to me. Would it really even be fair,
if Anders has a "Bi the way" moment to say "this kind of character
couldn't realistically be bisexual?" What wouldn't be bisexual about
him? Why would it feel tacked on? Any kind of person can be bisexual...
it's not a trait that inherently clashes with other character traits
such as to make an unrealistic person. Anyway, that's my two cents.

And this, 100%. I said as much too, ages ago. It may have been in my epic page-spanning exchange with Dendens, I can't remember

Modifié par ishmaeltheforsaken, 28 février 2011 - 12:18 .

[Ryzaki]

@Hypallage: *squees* That's...that's...*saves* I love that pic

The problem with Anders is he's not the kind of person to hide attraction. At all. And the unlikelyhood of him finding no males that travelled with the Warden (or that the Warden met) attractive is...eh. (In particular Nate. How Anders could hit on Velanna and not Nate...is impossible if he was bi. Velanna looks like...a very very very ugly Morrigan.) 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 28 février 2011 - 12:23 .

[Narwool]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Narwool wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Narwool wrote...

Didn't they technically already announce the f/f LI, since Isabella is bi? Or maybe that's not official yet.

I have no idea why they are keeping the m/m a secret...did they keep all s/s LI's secret during th DA:O release too?

Yeah it was leaked by some magazine. 

Though they had no problem showing Izzy's recruitment (or the demo) where Isabela blatantly hits on FemHawke who gives a smile in response. But that's okay because it's F/F. <_< 

Then I'm going to assume they're keeping the m/m a secret so there isn't some uproar from the homophobes or something. Blegh. DDx

I think you may have misunderstood Ryz. What she meant was that Origins s/s pairings were leaked. The only thing magazines have said about DAII is that Fenris is a s/s romance and that the bi romances have been aufgestockt.

Ohh, alright. Then nothing's completely official yet. Looks like I'll just have to wait until the 8th. D:

[Isaidlunch]

Hypallage wrote...

Bros. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/cool.png[/smilie]
<snip>

I know it's wrong but I can't look away, they make such a cute couple! Very nice job.

[Ryzaki]

I mean really look at this:


Compare that to this:

Who would you hit on first?
Edit: And I forgotten how terrible BW's custom faces could look. Dragon Age Redesigned is a godsend. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 28 février 2011 - 12:26 .

[mellifera]

What's with the incest?

[Narwool]

Kazanth wrote...

Hypallage wrote...

Bros. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/cool.png[/smilie]
<snip>

I know it's wrong but I can't look away, they make such a cute couple! Very nice job.

SO WRONG YET SO RIGHT. Please, modding community, make this happen. >_>

[MorningBird]

lilliful wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

*whistles* It's getting crowded in here.

In a good way, even!  What's shocking is how on-topic everyone is. Even our trolls are on-topic. I just perused through the Fenris thread to see if any new fanart had been released, and it's a veritable circus with the occasional flame juggler.

It also occurs to me that people were bringing up a point the other day that I meant to respond to: the idea that it would be troubling for a character's sexuality to be "tacked on" and that sexuality is an inherent part of the initial characterization. Actually, to me, this makes very little sense. Being bisexual doesn't define who I am in any meaningful way beyond who I choose to enter a relationship with. I've gone through some evolution in my sexuality since my youth, as I'm sure some of you have, and discovering I was bisexual didn't change who I fundamentally am -- my likes and dislikes, hopes and dreams, what's important to me. Would it really even be fair, if Anders has a "Bi the way" moment to say "this kind of character couldn't realistically be bisexual?" What wouldn't be bisexual about him? Why would it feel tacked on? Any kind of person can be bisexual... it's not a trait that inherently clashes with other character traits such as to make an unrealistic person. Anyway, that's my two cents.

Having gone through a similar situation myself, I have to agree.  In fact, I was actually surprised by how little my life changed when I did 'come out' (as it were.)

My family and friends were pretty much like: "Cool story."

... And then it was never mentioned again. xD

Considering Thedas pretty much has a, "Huh, odd, but I'm going to move on with my life now." outlook on s/s relationships, I just can't see it being that different.  Your sexuality doesn't have to define how you eat or dress, or what social circles you run it.  It can, but it doesn't have to.

I honestly think things like social status, race, political agenda, personality and motivation are vastly more interesting character traits than sexuality.

[mesmerizedish]

Ryzaki wrote...

Who would you hit on first?

Wait, is this a trick question*?




*My reaction is completely independent of sexual preference. What I loved about Nathanial was his voice. I thought he was kinda ugly. I hate soul patches.

yukidama wrote...

What's with the incest?

[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/cool.png[/smilie]

Modifié par ishmaeltheforsaken, 28 février 2011 - 12:27 .

[lilliful]

Ryzaki wrote...

The problem with Anders is he's not the kind of person to hide attraction. At all. And the unlikelyhood of him finding no males that travelled with the Warden (or that the Warden met) attractive is...eh. (In particular Nate. How Anders could hit on Velanna and not Nate...is impossible if he was bi. Velanna looks like...)

He could have just not found anyone attractive, or wasn't feeling the time/place. As for the "Valenna vs. Nate" -- love is blind, or so they say! There's no accounting for taste. I just don't think that you can predict someone's future sexuality from their past sexuality. Not sure how many other bisexuals are hanging out in this thread, but as the years have gone by, I've gradually shifted from preferring men to preferring women. I've even met people who were wholeheartedly straight who, over time, shifted to bisexual, and then exclusively gay. Sexuality is more fluid than many would like to give it credit for, IMHO. I don't think any shift that BioWare could pull would be inherently unrealistic.

Modifié par lilliful, 28 février 2011 - 12:29 .

[Ryzaki]

lilliful wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

The problem with Anders is he's not the kind of person to hide attraction. At all. And the unlikelyhood of him finding no males that travelled with the Warden (or that the Warden met) attractive is...eh. (In particular Nate. How Anders could hit on Velanna and not Nate...is impossible if he was bi. Velanna looks like...)

He could have just not found anyone attractive, or wasn't feeling the time/place. As for the "Valenna vs. Nate" -- lov eis blind, or so the say! There's no accounting for taste. I just don't think that you can predict someone's future sexuality from their past sexuality. Not sure how many other bisexuals are hanging out in this thread, but as the years have gone by, I've gradually shifted from preferring men to preferring women. I've even met people who were wholeheartedly straight who, over time, shifted to bisexual, and then exclusively gay. Sexuality is more fluid than many would like to give it credit for, IMHO. I don't think any shift that BioWare could pull would be inherently unrealistic.

Yeah and that shift coincides with him being possessed by a demon? Not...really a good sign there.  

And I don't think so either. I simply don't like the fact that this change coincides with him being possessed. I wouldn't throw a hissyfit if he was the bi option though. 

And I don't care about how "realistic" something is. There's magic. Realism is already invalid. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 28 février 2011 - 12:30 .

[mellifera]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

yukidama wrote...

What's with the incest?

[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/cool.png[/smilie]

Sorry, I find it totally creepy.

[mesmerizedish]

yukidama wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

yukidama wrote...

What's with the incest?

[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/cool.png[/smilie]

Sorry, I find it totally creepy.

Which? The pic? Or the smilie? I had no idea that the pic was Hawke and Carver when I replied to you. I thought you were bringing it up in memetic sort of way. It was only when I looked back (with your post in mind) that I realized that it was Carver.

Modifié par ishmaeltheforsaken, 28 février 2011 - 12:31 .

[Trophonius]

Anders being bi because of a demon would be something like Fenris being bi because the Magister sexually abused him. They both have negative connotations, tbh. It really depends on how Ms. Hepler wrote Anders' bisexuality (if he's the m/m option) and make it believable for those who still can't see it because of the way he was written in Awakening.

[lilliful]

yukidama wrote...

What's with the incest?
[...]
Sorry, I find it totally creepy.

I'm actually a little bit fatigued at having to respond to this kind of thing. People who don't take issue with it really aren't interested in going out of our way to bother you with our reasoning, or to get into an off-topic debate. We're not trying to convert you, or promote incest as an awesome lifestyle. And, I can't speak for the others, but I'm getting a little bit tired of being treated like a disgusting person just because I don't share in others' disgust. People just have a really visceral response to the topic, so I think it's nigh-impossible to have a balanced discussion on the topic, and even if it were, this is not the place. So, if people would mind not baiting those of us who are fine with it to defend ourselves, I'd really appreciate it. I'm really sorry if this is coming off as rude, and I do think you're generally an a-okay person from what I've seen of you in this thread. This response has just been a long-time brewing for me.