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[Wynne]

Ndutz wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch

*lmao* I LOVED that advert; it was one of the best parts of Tropic Thunder. It's kinda hot at the same time that it's hysterically funny. Especially the "MTV Movie Award Best Kiss Winner Tobey Maguire..." part, and the sensuous grabbing of prayer beads... they both played that absolutely perfectly!


Well, at this point, I'm pretty confused about the romances in DA2; my gut tells me nothing. I really have no idea who for sure will be an option, besides Isabela that is. For the M/M one, I could really take any of the ones that we know of--I like them all. I'm leaning away from Fenris because he's an elf and male PCs have already had an elf LI, but then again, he's just such a cool character from everything we've seen so far. So I guess it comes down to which is more important, body type/species (giving guys the burly, manly human they didn't have before) or class (rogue has been done, but not warrior or mage) or personality (in that sense, Fenris is about as far from Zev as you get; same with Sebastian to all appearances.) I would lean towards personality being most important and class being least important.

Sebastian was written by Jennifer Hepler, who did the amazing Branka/Hespith/Brood Mother stuff, so I bet she'd do a great job... I know he's DLC, but if we're really lucky this time, maybe Sebastian will be a sort of subtle stealth LI for both genders in addition to a normal M/M option. That would rock

Collider wrote...

Yes they have. But they could reason that F/F counts for the "homosexual" orientation, thus filling that role alone.

Oddly... I've gotta say, I could see that coming from the ME team, but not from the DA team. The former backpedaled on the whole Liara being a F/F option thing, while the latter have given us no reason to believe they would do so. I trust them on this.

Even if I could imagine the writers leaving gay male players out of the equation (which I really can't, honestly) I absolutely can't imagine Mike Laidlaw (and it was him, according to gaygamer.net) saying "there are options for players of all genders and orientations" and meaning only for lesbians. I am one of the many fans who has actually met him in person, and my impression of him was that he's overwhelmingly a people person. He likes making players happy, and if you've read his posts on these forums you'll have seen that he has far more patience than some people deserve. He's aware that he's in the public eye and that his words will be remembered. He has a positive outlook. Very much a bright-side kinda guy.

I may have my doubts about some things, but there being at least one M/M option is not one of them. They may be steadfast about making the game they want to make, and not afraid to alienate some people in that regard, but that doesn't mean they would mislead us. I really don't think that Mike in particular would say something like that and not guard his words if he knew he had to disappoint players.

hawat333 wrote...

I certainly hope these romances are initiated by Hawke - and not the other way around.
As
a heterosexual male player, I find it disturbing even in a videogame,
when another male character tries to flirt with me.

*facepalm* Do you really, in all honesty, think they're going to write a companion around whom you have to be careful not to drop the soap? Come on. Even Zev was just like, "that's cool, bro."

Eudaemonium wrote...

As a heterosexual male player, I
quite enjoy it when men hit on me in real life, because y'know, its
quite complimentary.

*stares* You're a heterosexual male, and you're in here, but you're not homophobic? I mean, I get why I'm here, but--wow, I now know how Sten felt with the whole "you can't exist" speech and Mary Kirby's comments about him seeing the Warden as being like a unicorn.

Okay, you're awesome.

[upsettingshorts]

Wynne wrote...

*stares* You're a heterosexual male, and you're in here, but you're not homophobic? I mean, I get why I'm here, but--wow, I now know how Sten felt with the whole "you can't exist" speech and Mary Kirby's comments about him seeing the Warden as being like a unicorn.

...I've seen heterosexual males who aren't homophobic post here and in the previous thread before.  We're not that rare.

Heck I don't even do M/M (or F/F) romances in my games.  Doesn't mean I don't support them.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 05 février 2011 - 08:05 .

[NKKKK]

Lol WTF Wynne, even me, who's a part time troll, is straight and fully support LGBT rights in video games.

[Wynne]

*sigh* Right. I shouldn't make light-hearted, offhand comments which are not serious, lest I offend someone.

Modifié par Wynne, 05 février 2011 - 11:52 .

[Amagoi]

There there Wynne. I'm also a hetero male that supports LBGT. So I grant you forgiveness on behalf of this apparently small community. Though I don't think you really offended anyone to be honest.

Back on topic, I've been away for a while so forgiveness please if I'm bringing something up that was covered like, two pages ago. Since we still have no idea who's romanceable aside from Isa, I wonder if there will be any samesex relationships we can pursue with NPCs?

I think it would be kinda cool if there was an option semi-sorta like Herren and Wade. By that I mean, Wade reminds me of Da Vinci. Both are geniuses, rarely finish what they set out to do, and Da Vinci was supposedly also gay. I'm sure those similarities are on purpose though. Herren grounded Wade pretty well, so I think it would be neat to see Hawke fill that sort of role.

Any other thoughts on NPC romances?

Modifié par Amagoi, 06 février 2011 - 12:09 .

[Blue_Shayde]

I would love it if there were a few really good npcs that were romancable. In that sense, give me my elf if you won't give me Fenris. xD (but please make him not Zevran ver2. Zev was ok the more you got to know him, but it felt like I was dating puss in boots gone bi in Shrek. xD)

Still, since I can't play my favorite race...I'd like a chance to romance one. (still hoping for Fenris)

And at least, DA group, if not...don't lead me on and end it at a conversation like 'lick a lamppost in winter'. I was so convinced it was gold with Alistair, before an innocent browse through the gaming community, wondering why there weren't anymore convo choices with Alistair, crushed my dreams with the 'he's not a bi choice' fact.

And also...I'm a heterosexual woman who supports LGBT. In fact, I love and prefer to play a gay guy. Ha ha...ha...I know. I'm sad. -.- But to each their own. I've met hetero guys who're the same. We're not all 'burn them at the stake' like some crazy people out there. Its funny how some of the forum people talk as if Zevran jumped them in their sleep personally. xD

Modifié par Blue_Shayde, 06 février 2011 - 12:40 .

[Incantrix]

Well, I think of all the choices Fenris is probably it, but I wouldn't write Varric off he might be an "interesting" LI to play with.

[Blue_Shayde]

As long as he's not the only one, cause personally I'm not a dwarf type. xD No matter how hard they've attempted to make him into a pretty boy. ^^'

[pallascedar]

Blue_Shayde wrote...

Probably cause he's an elf.

Honestly, its silly when they say they don't want to do repeats. Sebastien's story, for example, is Alistair's story all over again. The child of a royal family who's family is killed and he ends up living in a chantry, and being the only surviving heir?And Fenris is a copy of Jack's story. An unfortunate kid forced into being the subject of a twisted experiment, kinda crazy but otherwise still angsty.

Yeah...bioware, you're definitely not repeating yourself. >_>

Characters can have similar backstories and be completely different people. There are plenty of middle-class white homosexual men that are the children of academics. However, I can guarantee you that most of them are quite different from myself.

[Fenn_]

When was Alistair's entire family killed? If anything Sebastien's story is more like the human noble's.

Modifié par Fenn , 06 février 2011 - 01:14 .

[Eudaemonium]

Wynne wrote...

Eudaemonium wrote...

As a heterosexual male player, I
quite enjoy it when men hit on me in real life, because y'know, its
quite complimentary.

*stares* You're a heterosexual male, and you're in here, but you're not homophobic? I mean, I get why I'm here, but--wow, I now know how Sten felt with the whole "you can't exist" speech and Mary Kirby's comments about him seeing the Warden as being like a unicorn.

Okay, you're awesome.

I was really tempted to write "I'm a heterosexual male and this is my favourite thread on the network." But by the time I thought of it the moment had passed.

EDIT: And yes, I am a unicorn . Though that would imply I only appear to virgins, which would be creepy. Maybe I'm not a unicorn.

Modifié par Eudaemonium, 06 février 2011 - 01:48 .

[Blue_Shayde]

pallascedar wrote...
Characters can have similar backstories and be completely different people. There are plenty of middle-class white homosexual men that are the children of academics. However, I can guarantee you that most of them are quite different from myself.

That's not what I'm talking about. Bioware is saying how they didn't want to do what they already did. And on that basis, people say they won't do another elf male bi LI, because they already did it with Zevran. But they already did the last royal heir sent to live with the church and said royal family is killed, and now they're the only heir left. Which I said they already did. Even if the details of the story are different, the basic premise is still about the same. Thus, they're contradicting their claim of not repeating something. And I never said anything about the homosexual part. xD

So saying Fenris can't be the LI cause they did the Bi male elf LI with Zevran, is like saying you couldn't have Sebastien with the last male heir backstory cause they already did the last male heir backstory with Alistair. But they're doing it still. Thus, the arguement for Fenris on that point is weak. Though they did already do a bi LI male elf, Zevran and Fenris have very different stories. Just like Sebastien's story may be very different from Alistair.

(sorry, I guess I wasn't clear with my thoughts in my last post. I'm not really mocking their words, just the weak point other people have made against Fenris as a BI LI.)

Fenn wrote...

When was Alistair's entire family killed? If anything Sebastien's story is more like the human noble's.

I didn't say the entire family. Again, the basic premise. And well...his mom was long dead before the game. The original king passed away, and his half-brother is killed in battle...leaving him the only heir possible to take the throne. Arl Eamon was the brother to the king's wife, thus not of the royal bloodline. And depending on your actions in game, he could very well remain out of commission. And his sister wants nothing to do with him, pretty much denouncing him from her family. And she isn't of the royal bloodline, either. If we only consider the royal side of Alistair's family, then yes...the royal family is dead and he's the only heir left to take the throne. *shrugs* But you can yell at me over technicalities, I guess. ^^'

Modifié par Blue_Shayde, 06 février 2011 - 06:55 .

[Fenn_]

Blue_Shayde wrote...

pallascedar wrote...
Characters can have similar backstories and be completely different people. There are plenty of middle-class white homosexual men that are the children of academics. However, I can guarantee you that most of them are quite different from myself.

That's not what I'm talking about. Bioware is saying how they didn't want to do what they already did. And on that basis, people say they won't do another elf male bi LI, because they already did it with Zevran. But they already did the last royal heir sent to live with the church and said royal family is killed, and now they're the only heir left. Which I said they already did. Even if the details of the story are different, the basic premise is still about the same. Thus, they're contradicting their claim of not repeating something. And I never said anything about the homosexual part. xD

So saying Fenris can't be the LI cause they did the Bi male elf LI with Zevran, is like saying you couldn't have Sebastien with the last male heir backstory cause they already did the last male heir backstory with Alistair. But they're doing it still. Thus, the arguement for Fenris on that point is weak. Though they did already do a bi LI male elf, Zevran and Fenris have very different stories. Just like Sebastien's story may be very different from Alistair.

(sorry, I guess I wasn't clear with my thoughts in my last post. I'm not really mocking their words, just the weak point other people have made against Fenris as a BI LI.)

Fenn wrote...

When was Alistair's entire family killed? If anything Sebastien's story is more like the human noble's.

I didn't say the entire family. Again, the basic premise. And well...his mom was long dead before the game. The original king passed away, and his half-brother is killed in battle...leaving him the only heir possible to take the throne. Arl Eamon was the brother to the king's wife, thus not of the royal bloodline. And depending on your actions in game, he could very well remain out of commission. And his sister wants nothing to do with him, pretty much denouncing him from her family. And she isn't of the royal bloodline, either. If we only consider the royal side of Alistair's family, then yes...the royal family is dead and he's the only heir left to take the throne. *shrugs* But you can yell at me over technicalities, I guess. ^^'

You make a good point. For the record I was not yelling just asking a question.

Modifié par Fenn , 06 février 2011 - 07:07 .

[MorningBird]

You know, I've really never understood the "It can't be Fenris because Zevran was a bi elf LI!" argument. Mostly because I've never seen an, "It can't be Isabela because Leliana was a bi human LI!" arguement. xD

Regardless, I loved all of the characters in Origins. I'm sure I'll love all the characters in DA: 2. I'm going to give the writing staff some credit and believe that no matter who we get for bi LI's, they're going to be good, whether they're an elf or not.

Modifié par MorningBird, 06 février 2011 - 07:19 .

[Collider]

Zevran and Fenris seem pretty different to me. Only similarities being male elven pretty boys.

[Blacklash93]

MorningBird wrote...

You know, I've really never understood the "It can't be Fenris because Zevran was a bi elf LI!" argument. Mostly because I've never seen an, "It can't be Isabela because Leliana was a bi human LI!" xD

People don't complain about humans. They're normal.

Some people just don't have a skinny elf fetish, I guess.

[MorningBird]

Collider wrote...

Zevran and Fenris seem pretty different to me. Only similarities being male elven pretty boys.

Agreed.  Their characters seem to be at complete opposite ends of the spectrum.

More likely, Blacklash is right, and most people just don't dig them elven looks. Although personally, I don't see many differences between the two races... excluding pointy ears, I mean. ;D

Modifié par MorningBird, 06 février 2011 - 07:24 .

[Collider]

Agreed. Their characters seem to be at complete opposite ends of the spectrum.

Indeed.



Truthfully, Fenris, Anders, or Varric - there should be an M/M option either way.

[Collider]

Oddly... I've gotta say, I could see that coming from the ME team, but not from the DA team. The former backpedaled on the whole Liara being a F/F option thing, while the latter have given us no reason to believe they would do so. I trust them on this.



Even if I could imagine the writers leaving gay male players out of the equation (which I really can't, honestly) I absolutely can't imagine Mike Laidlaw (and it was him, according to gaygamer.net) saying "there are options for players of all genders and orientations" and meaning only for lesbians. I am one of the many fans who has actually met him in person, and my impression of him was that he's overwhelmingly a people person. He likes making players happy, and if you've read his posts on these forums you'll have seen that he has far more patience than some people deserve. He's aware that he's in the public eye and that his words will be remembered. He has a positive outlook. Very much a bright-side kinda guy.



I may have my doubts about some things, but there being at least one M/M option is not one of them. They may be steadfast about making the game they want to make, and not afraid to alienate some people in that regard, but that doesn't mean they would mislead us. I really don't think that Mike in particular would say something like that and not guard his words if he knew he had to disappoint players.

I hope you're right, Wynne

[MorningBird]

Collider wrote...

Truthfully, Fenris, Anders, or Varric - there should be an M/M option either way.

We definitely have a good lineup for possible M/M romances.  I'm still not sure on whether or not 'Anders' is... Anders (I'm trying very hard to remain pessimistic so that I'm not disappointed when the character is finally revealed) but as I said, I have great faith in the writing team.  If 'Anders' turns out to be 'Bob', I'm sure he'll be written just as well.

[Blue_Shayde]

I would be happy if all party members were eligible, as DOA team's way of fixing the big complaints of fans for the previous romance options.

And yes, I agree. To those who say Fenris can't be cause they did the male bi elf, then I say Isabel can't be because they did the female bi human.

Personally, I didn't like humans in DOA because they felt to bulky (at least my human mc...alistair and duncan didn't seem to have that issue. xD). I myself prefer lean athletic types next to the bulky weight lifter types. But not lean like skinny as a twig. i still like the muscle. That's why elves with their lithe forms have always appealed to me, personally.

I hope Wynn is right to. I'll put my faith in the DOA team...though I've been hurt before. xD

Fenn wrote...
You make a good point. For the record I was not yelling just asking a question.

I understand. I just meant if you wanted to yell at me because technicaly not all of Alistair's family is dead. (sister and uncle...in other words, going to the literal extreme) xD 

Modifié par Blue_Shayde, 06 février 2011 - 08:10 .

[Collider]

I probably wouldn't like every romance option being bisexual. I'd prefer variety.

[Blue_Shayde]

Collider wrote...

I probably wouldn't like every romance option being bisexual. I'd prefer variety.

And some people think so. Personally, it wouldn't bother me because I wouldn't plan to pursue them all in one playthrough, thus only one would be bi according to my character's actions.

Variety would be nice though..in short, don't just give me only one. (with the only other choice a five second fling that ends in death or a purchased prostitute. =P)

I'm just thinking again towards ME. In ME 2, they finally let players pursue a romance with Tali and Garus, after many expressed sadness at them not being choices. So perhaps this time around, for DOA, they'll give us more then 1 or 2 choices. They don't all have to be bi...but at the least two per orientation. xD

Modifié par Blue_Shayde, 06 février 2011 - 08:17 .

[upsettingshorts]

Amagoi wrote...

Though I don't think you really offended anyone to be honest.

Nope, wasn't offended.  Echoing a sentiment more than anything, like "yep, we're around."

Amagoi wrote...

Any other thoughts on NPC romances?

I always thought the discussion over ancillary romances were interesting.  I think it's pretty common that people - who want romances in such games - want at least one that reflects their own personal preferences, and discussions over them are interesting and ostensibly what this thread is mainly about.  But characters like Herren and Wade interest me more, because their relationship exists in everyone's game, not just mine or yours. 

Is the value of M/M romances between NPCs understated?  Overstated?  I don't know.  Are they on topic for this thread?  I don't know about that either.  But it's what's on my mind at least.  

[Collider]

I agree Blue, it would be nice to have more than one same sex option.



As for NPC relationships...male homosexual relationships are underrepresented in DA:O. At least somewhat, imo.