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[scootermcgaffin]

I just hope that if Sebastian is an option for Male Hawke (I really doubt it, ftr) that he's not the only gay option for Male Hawke.

Modifié par scootermcgaffin, 06 février 2011 - 03:45 .

[ReallyRue]

Incantrix wrote...

Am I the only one here who hopes the LI wont be human?

I just think non-human Li are very different and a lot more interesting, more so than bland human relationships. (Okay, well I did romance Morrigan in one playthrough...but she's far from a "normal" human)

I like romancing the humans as a non-human (culture clash is fun!), but not as a human. When I played male Cousland, I romanced Zevran, which seemed far more interesting than Leliana, Morrigan, or (had I the option to mod) Alistair.
So I rather hope that the Merrill, Fenris and Varric are LI in one way or another.
I'd love it if Sebastian was a bi LI though. I really want him to get together with my maleHawke!

[Weltea]

I was sooooo glad to know that there would be m/m options (or at least an m/m option). In fact, I'm such a big slashfangirl that I considered that in DA:O one of my main reasons to like the game
I love Bioware for including that. I think they believe they're cartering  mostly to straight guys with the f/f options and gay guys with the m/m options but it's really nice that we girls get something this way too  Also,I really like having more variety. I hold no particular interested in f/f but I already know that both my Hawke(s) will hook up with everyone they will be able too,male or female. Only having m/f romances gets so boring IMO....

As for who's possible as a LI,I'd say Anders is ruled out (he falls in love with a female warden,but not with a male one in Awakening) and while I'm hoping for Sebastian (for him...and every other male chara) I think it's probably not him due to him only being part of a DLC. Which would leave Fenris and Varric.
I agree with people saying that Bioware might want to avoid having similar characters be the m/m option in two games,but...which one of them would that rule out then? Fenris and Zevran are similar in that they're both elfs...but Varric and Zevran seem more alike personality wise...
While I would love for Hawke to romance Fenris,I think it might actually be better if Varric was the m/m option,going away from the gay-elf-stereotyp. Also,the Fenris being an ex-slave and his master not letting him be thing kinda made be think that Fenris treatment included rape (although those connection probably just sprung up from my sick,twisted mind...) which could lead to some negative implications...

But I wouldn'd mind any of the charas be the m/m option so I'm just gonna wait and see

One last thing, people guys saying it weirds them out when a gay character hits on them makes me laugh so hard. Not only because it's usually the same guys that think f/f  is the best thing ever. But also it's just really ridiculous,how pathetic do you have to be to feel threatend in your manliness by a bunch of pixels!?????
I have yet to meet a woman that thinks letting her female character flirt with a woman will turn her into a real-life lesbian or make people question her womanhood or whatever....

Damn that was a long post

[Leoroc]

Varric being the m/m would turn me chaste in my male playthrough...

[ReallyRue]

Weltea wrote...

I was sooooo glad to know that there would be m/m options (or at least an m/m option). In fact, I'm such a big slashfangirl that I considered that in DA:O one of my main reasons to like the game
I love Bioware for including that. I think they believe they're cartering  mostly to straight guys with the f/f options and gay guys with the m/m options but it's really nice that we girls get something this way too  Also,I really like having more variety. I hold no particular interested in f/f but I already know that both my Hawke(s) will hook up with everyone they will be able too,male or female. Only having m/f romances gets so boring IMO....

As for who's possible as a LI,I'd say Anders is ruled out (he falls in love with a female warden,but not with a male one in Awakening) and while I'm hoping for Sebastian (for him...and every other male chara) I think it's probably not him due to him only being part of a DLC. Which would leave Fenris and Varric.
I agree with people saying that Bioware might want to avoid having similar characters be the m/m option in two games,but...which one of them would that rule out then? Fenris and Zevran are similar in that they're both elfs...but Varric and Zevran seem more alike personality wise...
While I would love for Hawke to romance Fenris,I think it might actually be better if Varric was the m/m option,going away from the gay-elf-stereotyp. Also,the Fenris being an ex-slave and his master not letting him be thing kinda made be think that Fenris treatment included rape (although those connection probably just sprung up from my sick,twisted mind...) which could lead to some negative implications...

But I wouldn'd mind any of the charas be the m/m option so I'm just gonna wait and see

One last thing, people guys saying it weirds them out when a gay character hits on them makes me laugh so hard. Not only because it's usually the same guys that think f/f  is the best thing ever. But also it's just really ridiculous,how pathetic do you have to be to feel threatend in your manliness by a bunch of pixels!?????
I have yet to meet a woman that thinks letting her female character flirt with a woman will turn her into a real-life lesbian or make people question her womanhood or whatever....

Damn that was a long post

I know what you mean about m/f relationships getting dull. Tbh, I find myself watching TV or films and thinking 'oh look, the guy and the girl ended up together, how very novel'. It's like watching a variant of the same story over and over. That's part of why I love DA too, and I don't think the devs would pull a ME2 and only offer straight options.

I don't think 'Anders' can be ruled out as the m/m option yet, until we get some more proof that it is actually Anders. I agree with you about Fenris though, because I'm not sure he'll turn out to be a LI at all, not with the heaps of issues he must have. Varric would be interesting... though I'd rather him not be the only m/m LI.

Some guys are so ridiculous about m/m options. I posted something before about ME2, that it should have had male romance options from the start, instead of having to rely on mods for the PC version. So of course some guys start saying that they don't like even the potential for their character to be gay, because it will automatically lead to handbag swinging and swapping make-up tips. Aside from being homophobic, it's also sexist, because part of what they seem to fear is being seen as a woman instead of a man. Anyway, um, rant over.

[Jimmy Fury]

MorningBird wrote...

Collider wrote...

Zevran and Fenris seem pretty different to me. Only similarities being male elven pretty boys.

Agreed.  Their characters seem to be at complete opposite ends of the spectrum.

I'm sorry if this sounds rude but I honestly can't help but feel that statement it outright hyperbole...
Skinny flaxen haired emo elf boys who were forced into a life of servitude against their wills and subsiquently turned into unrepentent killing machines on the run from their former masters?
There's even the striking resemblance to Zevran's concept art...

I'm not saying they're exactly alike. I'm not even saying the similarities should necessarily bar Fenris from being a s/s LI. Their personalities will probably be miles apart.
But to claim they're opposites with nothing at all in common just strikes me as a bit silly if not a complete exaggeration.

But I'll stop there to avoid this turning into another Fenris thread.

Personally, if we're going on just wishes and not liklihood, I'd prefer Sebastian to anyone else that has been confirmed. Although if the mystery Mage is Anders (which I'm still not convinced) then he wins just because my MageHawke and Anders would be a force to reckon with.

Modifié par Jimmy Fury, 06 février 2011 - 04:47 .

[HopHazzard]

Leoroc wrote...

Varric being the m/m would turn me chaste in my male playthrough...

And for me it would virtually guarantee that I never play a  LadyHawke or romance anyone else.

[Incantrix]

^ Lol I don't get the Varric hate, is it the height?



As for Anders, according to the epilogue he either dies or returns to the keep...and stays there. So I doubt it's Anders, then again maybe they have a logical reason for him to appear.

[HopHazzard]

Incantrix wrote...

^ Lol I don't get the Varric hate, is it the height?

As for Anders, according to the epilogue he either dies or returns to the keep...and stays there. So I doubt it's Anders, then again maybe they have a logical reason for him to appear.

I really don't know. Probably is the height. If I'm being honest, that's why I find him so appealing. I have a thing for short, muscley dudes.
As far as the Anders thing goes, the writers are on record saying they're perfectly willing to ignore the epilogue cards if they think they've got a good story to tell. Personally, I'm agnostic about it. I acknowledge the possibility that it is Anders, but I've yet to see sufficient evidence to prove that it is. So I'm just waiting for more info.

[Blue_Shayde]

For me with Varric, its not the height so much. He's to stogy (bulky), has almost no neck, and the nose... As an artsy type, the details bug me more then most, i guess. He's definately good looking among his fellow dwarves, but again not in my taste.

I don't understand what part of Fenris is 'anime'. I myself happen to love anime, and thus as an anime person, i don't see what you see in him as anime. His hairstyle in his pictures is a normal hairstyle I've seen in real life and other games/movies. It simply stands out more because its silver. But mind you, the character creation system in DAO allowed us to make silver haired characters, and silver hair was not that uncommon in the DAO world despite the age relation to it. So what other part of him is anime?

Furthermore, what part about him makes him seem emo? Just the hair? That's a rather stereotyping judgement, just based on a little hair falling in front of the eyes. If anything, he seems more like Jack, pissed at what was done to him and ready to kick everyone's ass. (just curious)

I personally agree that whatever the situation is, the LI's shouldn't all be human. Because I happen to like the interracial dramas myself. Elf and human for me, personally. ^^'

Modifié par Blue_Shayde, 06 février 2011 - 05:38 .

[Dev824804]

This thread scares me.

[Blue_Shayde]

Dev824804 wrote...

This thread scares me.

Lol. Stay in here to long and soon you'll turn to the darkside. Don't believe me? I used to find it gross when I was very young, until one day a great author opened my eyes. The world is changing and becoming more accepting. Change with it or watch yourself fall into a decreasing minority.

Modifié par Blue_Shayde, 06 février 2011 - 05:34 .

[Jademoon121]

Blue_Shayde wrote...

For me with Varric, its not the height so much. He's to stogy (bulky), has almost no neck, and the nose... As an artsy type, the details bug me more then most, i guess. He's definately good looking among his fellow dwarves, but again not in my taste.

I don't understand what part of Fenris is 'anime'. I myself happen to love anime, and thus as an anime person, i don't see what you see in him as anime. His hairstyle in his pictures is a normal hairstyle I've seen in real life and other games/movies. It simply stands out more because its silver. But mind you, the character creation system in DAO allowed us to make silver haired characters, and silver hair was not that uncommon in the DAO world despite the age relation to it. So what other part of him is anime? (just curious)

I personally agree that whatever the situation is, the LI's won't all be human. Because I happen to like the interracial dramas myself. Elf and human for me, personally. ^^'

His short, stylized silver hair with darker skin tone covered in arcane markings, unconventiaonal armor, pretty face with sharp features, wields a huge sword, lithe and tall with a dark past and demenor makes me think of a typical Final Fantasy character instead of an anime protagenist. Which to be honest is something I don't find attractive at all. Granted you could make a character like that in DAO, but thing is that you'd be the only one like that.

Modifié par Jademoon121, 06 février 2011 - 05:38 .

[Incantrix]

Blue_Shayde wrote...

Dev824804 wrote...

This thread scares me.

Lol. Stay in here to long and soon you'll turn to the darkside. Don't believe me? I used to be the same as you until I innocently read an amazing story that opened my eyes to how ignorant I was as a person...and now I fully support LGBT people for the rest of my life. These guys are a wonderful group and one day everyone will be more open and accepting. (its slowly happening, face the reality)

Dun dun duun!

Soon, we'll take over the world and paint the roads different colors of the rainbow, commercials will be random episodes of sex and the city...and we'll harass you with the principals of feng shui!
jkjk

[HopHazzard]

Blue_Shayde wrote...

For me with Varric, its not the height so much. He's to stogy (bulky), has almost no neck, and the nose... As an artsy type, the details bug me more then most, i guess. He's definately good looking among his fellow dwarves, but again not in my taste.

I don't understand what part of Fenris is 'anime'. I myself happen to love anime, and thus as an anime person, i don't see what you see in him as anime. His hairstyle in his pictures is a normal hairstyle I've seen in real life and other games/movies. It simply stands out more because its silver. But mind you, the character creation system in DAO allowed us to make silver haired characters, and silver hair was not that uncommon in the DAO world despite the age relation to it. So what other part of him is anime? (just curious)

I personally agree that whatever the situation is, the LI's shouldn't all be human. Because I happen to like the interracial dramas myself. Elf and human for me, personally. ^^'

I like bulky. He looks solid. And I find him quite handsome. Really the only thing I would do differently would be to soften his jaw a bit.
I don't get the anime thing with Fenris either. Probably just because he's pretty and people don't actually know what anime actually is.

Dev824804 wrote...

This thread scares me.

Cool story, bro.

Modifié par HopHazzard, 06 février 2011 - 05:39 .

[ReallyRue]

Incantrix wrote...

Blue_Shayde wrote...

Dev824804 wrote...

This thread scares me.

Lol. Stay in here to long and soon you'll turn to the darkside. Don't believe me? I used to be the same as you until I innocently read an amazing story that opened my eyes to how ignorant I was as a person...and now I fully support LGBT people for the rest of my life. These guys are a wonderful group and one day everyone will be more open and accepting. (its slowly happening, face the reality)

Dun dun duun!

Soon, we'll take over the world and paint the roads different colors of the rainbow, commercials will be random episodes of sex and the city...and we'll harass you with the principals of feng shui!
jkjk

What a wonderful-sounding world, lol!

[Blue_Shayde]

Jademoon121 wrote...

His short, stylized silver hair with darker skin tone covered in arcane markings, unconventiaonal armor, pretty face with sharp features, wields a huge sword, lithe and tall with a dark past and demenor makes me think of a typical Final Fantasy character instead of an anime protagenist. Which to be honest is something I don't find attractive at all. Granted you could make a character like that in DAO, but thing is that you'd be the only one like that.

I personally doubt that. there are tons like that. That's pretty stereotyping of you, though. xD The arcane markings are his story behind the lyrium. If done in anime, it wouldn't be so gritting, but far more appealing in their design or representation. The silver hair again was not uncommon, specially among elves. Elves themselves have a typicaly pretty face, that's part of their race design. The huge sword is available to all warriors types, and anyone in the game can weild a big sword if they pay for it. And the lithe factor, again, is an elven race thing...but I doubt he's taller then a human, considering again the racial design of elves.

But thank you for explaining to me your own point of view, that helps me better understand. Still, I myself like Fenris. xD

Modifié par Blue_Shayde, 06 février 2011 - 05:43 .

[Jademoon121]

Blue_Shayde wrote...

For me with Varric, its not the height so much. He's to stogy (bulky), has almost no neck, and the nose... As an artsy type, the details bug me more then most, i guess. He's definately good looking among his fellow dwarves, but again not in my taste.

I don't understand what part of Fenris is 'anime'. I myself happen to love anime, and thus as an anime person, i don't see what you see in him as anime. His hairstyle in his pictures is a normal hairstyle I've seen in real life and other games/movies. It simply stands out more because its silver. But mind you, the character creation system in DAO allowed us to make silver haired characters, and silver hair was not that uncommon in the DAO world despite the age relation to it. So what other part of him is anime?

Furthermore, what part about him makes him seem emo? Just the hair? That's a rather stereotyping judgement, just based on a little hair falling in front of the eyes. If anything, he seems more like Jack, pissed at what was done to him and ready to kick everyone's ass. (just curious)

I personally agree that whatever the situation is, the LI's shouldn't all be human. Because I happen to like the interracial dramas myself. Elf and human for me, personally. ^^'

I like bulky and short. Though his overly chiseled jaw made me lol when I first saw it. He reminds me of the typical crime lord or mob boss, maybe even a DA Shadow Broker. Its not often that you get a chance to fall in love with a dwarf, and a dwarven "Godfather" no less.

[Blue_Shayde]

^ haha...damn, now I'll keep looking at him and thinking he runs some dwarven mafia group. xD

[Jademoon121]

Blue_Shayde wrote...

Jademoon121 wrote...

His short, stylized silver hair with darker skin tone covered in arcane markings, unconventiaonal armor, pretty face with sharp features, wields a huge sword, lithe and tall with a dark past and demenor makes me think of a typical Final Fantasy character instead of an anime protagenist. Which to be honest is something I don't find attractive at all. Granted you could make a character like that in DAO, but thing is that you'd be the only one like that.

I personally doubt that. there are tons like that. That's pretty stereotyping of you, though. xD The arcane markings are his story behind the lyrium. If done in anime, it wouldn't be so gritting, but far more appealing in their design or representation. The silver hair again was not uncommon, specially among elves. Elves themselves have a typicaly pretty face, that's part of their race design. The huge sword is available to all warriors types, and anyone in the game can weild a big sword if they pay for it. And the lithe factor, again, is an elven race thing...but I doubt he's taller then a human, considering again the racial design of elves.

But thank you for explaining to me your own point of view, that helps me better understand. Still, I myself like Fenris. xD

I do admit that I am shamefully biased, but thats what I thought when when I saw Fenris for the first time. It maybe stereotyping, or just well be as such.  I like Fenris though. His backstory is neat, demenor will lead to funny conversations and both will lead to good character developement. I loved Jack in ME so if he's anything like her, I'll have him join up in split second. :wizard:I also can't wait to see him in combat with his magic and sword.
I don't want him as the only M/M LI though. I just don't find him attractive in the very least.

[Blue_Shayde]

^ awe, the teary eyed face. now I feel bad. o.o

No, I definitely don't want him as the only bi LI. I'm still hoping for at least two choices for all. I was just thinking that Isabela would make an awesome anime character, though... or at least her design is very FF esque. xD  *gets shot for the suggestion X_x*

Modifié par Blue_Shayde, 06 février 2011 - 05:54 .

[Russalka]

Zevran did not even seem like an elf to me, just a short human. He had no "elven vibes" come off him at all, did not exude anything that could point to an elven heritage besides the ears and the small snippets in conversation about his background. And since when is his hair style considered "emo"?



And what does a human male have to do in this game to not be an Alistair clone? It is rather silly to be annoyed about the heritage of Sebastian, when one has not seen the game yet. Compare the elves and human nobles in March.

[Jademoon121]

Blue_Shayde wrote...

^ awe, the teary eyed face. now I feel bad. o.o

No, I definitely don't want him as the only bi LI. I'm still hoping for at least two choices for all. I was just thinking that Isabela would make an awesome anime character, though... or at least her design is very FF esque. xD  *gets shot for the suggestion X_x*

Don't feel bad lol, there's nothing wrong when I admit personal guilt.
In DA there were 2 bi options and 4 het options, why not add 2 more to the bi group? Have Fenris and Varric be bi options for the guys and have Isabella and Merrill be bi options for the womenfolk. They're contrasting personalities offer many options to gamers who want to go over the border.
Isaballa would make a good FF character, and so would Merrill I think.

[JabbaDaHutt30]

jlb524 wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

I see. I'd just rather it made explicit in game.

The only thing they didn't do was come out and say "Hey,  we're totally lovers." At least in my oppinion after the second interaction it was pretty obvious,  they acted just like my mom and dad.  With Henren of course being my mother...

They don't have to say that, but there are other ways to make it more explicit and the in game stuff was still lost on many people.

herren and wade were... lovers? i did not notice that

[Leoroc]

JabbaDaHutt30 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

I see. I'd just rather it made explicit in game.

The only thing they didn't do was come out and say "Hey,  we're totally lovers." At least in my oppinion after the second interaction it was pretty obvious,  they acted just like my mom and dad.  With Henren of course being my mother...

They don't have to say that, but there are other ways to make it more explicit and the in game stuff was still lost on many people.

herren and wade were... lovers? i did not notice that

Technically Herren was a lust demon so only Wade was gay since I doubt he knew =p