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[IndelibleJester]

Carfax wrote...

As I mentioned before, if you as a gay man can now have your cake and eat it too, then why can't I as a straight man have mine as well? 

If you want Anders and Fenris to be gay/bisexual in your game, thats fine.  I want them to be straight in my game however, yet no such option exists.

Unless the romances are contextually driven?

I am confused by this.
Anders won't even mention he's bisexual, most likely, without you explicitely asking him or flirting with him. So... you kind of DO have a choice in knowing whether or not he's bi. Had you not read these forums, never flirted with him, I bet you'd never have guessed he was bisexual.

[IndelibleJester]

double post sorry.

Modifié par IndelibleJester, 04 mars 2011 - 02:52 .

[Maferath]

LiquidGrape wrote...

If you want to pursue a hetero relationship with Anders, you're obviously free to do so.
Simply adding an option doesn't remove another one.

Obviously, they can't be romanced anymore if they have become filthy bisexuals.

Modifié par Maferath, 04 mars 2011 - 02:54 .

[harktag]

Carfax wrote...

As I mentioned before, if you as a gay man can now have your cake and eat it too, then why can't I as a straight man have mine as well? 

Because as a straight man, you have had your cake and eaten it too in video games for decades........... Can't I just enjoy this ONE single cake? Must you have EVERY single cake in the bakery? I'm just grateful to have just this one! :'(

[Tellervo]

Well, I suppose I was wrong. I'm willing to believe now that there's sufficient evidence. Bravo, Bioware. Now if I can just find out if they fixed all the glitchy crap I encountered in the interface in the demo, I might go back to "buying this game when it drops in price" instead of "desperately clinging to the hope I'll see something that makes me want it at all".

[Carfax]

Chris Readman wrote...

I'd also like to add to the claim that LGBT is only 3-4% of the population. Firstly, the accuracy of this number is questionable and debatable. But more importantly, the truth is the type of society one grows up in can actually play a hand in one's sexuality. If it is an accepted custom to be gay in the world of Dragon Age, the numbers can simply sky-rocket. There are cultures in which people of "alternative" sexuality are pretty much the norm, such as the Bugis in South Sulawesi. It may not "make" people gay persay, but a more accepting society will allow the "coming out" of more people. They say that sexuality isn't black and white after all, it's more of a spectrum.

Sure it isn't realistic that four of the people in the party are bisexual, it is a pretty big coincidence. It annoys me slightly as well. But then again, it is offset by the sheer amount of options Bioware has given us.

If anyone wants to find the truth of this, they can research it online for themselves.  The 10% figure was based on faulty research from Alfred Kinsey.  Subsequent and more accurate research has consistently produced figures of around 2 to 4%.

And sexual orientation and sexual behaviour are two different things.  Sexual orientation is biological and innate, while sexual behaviour can be much more subjective.

[catabuca]

Today is a good day.

[OrbitalWings]

So.....the fact that you could have a male/female romance with someone, but that character may also be open to a same-sex romance, bothers you? Well then what about a gay player who is bothered by the fact that the character involved in their male/male romance is also open to a male/female relationship? Are they allowed to decry the romances and say they're cheapened?

[The Lesser Evil]

Carfax wrote...
If you want Anders and Fenris to be gay/bisexual in your game, thats fine.  I want them to be straight in my game however, yet no such option exists.

Unless the romances are contextually driven?

I'm fairly sure the romances ARE contextually driven. If you play a male Hawke and don't flirt with Anders or Fenris, they won't flirt with you, and Anders is HIGHLY unlikely to ever mention having been in a relationship with the friend that got tranquilled. If you don't go there, it's looking like both Fenris and Anders will be straight as far as your game is concerned.

[Chris Readman]

Carfax wrote...

If you want Anders and Fenris to be gay/bisexual in your game, thats fine.  I want them to be straight in my game however, yet no such option exists.

Unless the romances are contextually driven?

If you want them to be "straight", don't flirt with them, don't ask them about their sexuality, don't do anything that will lead to you bedding them. As long as what you see doesn't clash with your version of the truth, then it will be true to you. Also, here's the thing, if you don't accept the above solution, people who want them gay in their games, can't have them gay either; they have them bisexual.

Furtheremore, do you see how petty this is? Why would you want them to be straight anyway, other than "realism". If you think that Bioware is pandering to the people who want to "get their rocks off" as you've so eloquently put it, then don't you see how Bioware is pandering to people like you who want everything their way.

[catabuca]

This isn't the place for discussions on percentages of populations and so on. Take it to another thread set up specifically for that, or to PM.

Threads have been locked for less. We do not want this thread to be locked. Carfax may want this thread locked, and engaging with him/her on this issue is a sure way for that to happen.

Please, move on and just enjoy the party.

And with that in mind, now we know they're all bi, have you all decided who you're going to pursue first, with whom, and why?

Modifié par catabuca, 04 mars 2011 - 02:57 .

[IndelibleJester]

Carfax wrote...

And sexual orientation and sexual behaviour are two different things.  Sexual orientation is biological and innate, while sexual behaviour can be much more subjective.

I agree. The same can be said of emotions, as well.
If a straight woman were to fall in love with a lesbian, and though had a very hard time deciding, ended up being with her... would you call her bisexual? She isn't attracted to women - but she loves this woman dearly. The relationship can and will work if the two people are dedicated to it. Sorry to post this in the M/M thread, but this was something I have personal experience with.

[ipgd]

Blue_Shayde wrote...

if the straights get two options, why is it so hard to allow the LGBT to finally get options? so many narrow-minded jerks. =( But its inevitable they'd come to us to complain. We finally have won a little in something.

Clearly they're jealous that I get four.

[Chris Readman]

Carfax wrote...

Chris Readman wrote...

I'd also like to add to the claim that LGBT is only 3-4% of the population. Firstly, the accuracy of this number is questionable and debatable. But more importantly, the truth is the type of society one grows up in can actually play a hand in one's sexuality. If it is an accepted custom to be gay in the world of Dragon Age, the numbers can simply sky-rocket. There are cultures in which people of "alternative" sexuality are pretty much the norm, such as the Bugis in South Sulawesi. It may not "make" people gay persay, but a more accepting society will allow the "coming out" of more people. They say that sexuality isn't black and white after all, it's more of a spectrum.

Sure it isn't realistic that four of the people in the party are bisexual, it is a pretty big coincidence. It annoys me slightly as well. But then again, it is offset by the sheer amount of options Bioware has given us.

If anyone wants to find the truth of this, they can research it online for themselves.  The 10% figure was based on faulty research from Alfred Kinsey.  Subsequent and more accurate research has consistently produced figures of around 2 to 4%.

And sexual orientation and sexual behaviour are two different things.  Sexual orientation is biological and innate, while sexual behaviour can be much more subjective.

I've bolded the part that you've seemed to ignore. Now we're just talking about statistics that "disprove" one another, he said, she said. Like I said, it's questionable and debatable.

[OrbitalWings]

The Lesser Evil wrote...
I'm fairly sure the romances ARE contextually driven. If you play a male Hawke and don't flirt with Anders or Fenris, they won't flirt with you, and Anders is HIGHLY unlikely to ever mention having been in a relationship with the friend that got tranquilled. If you don't go there, it's looking like both Fenris and Anders will be straight as far as your game is concerned.

This, pretty much. I can't imagine that if you romance Anders with a LadyHawke, he's going to go on and on about wanting to be with a guy. By the same token, if Merrill is romanced by a MaleHawke, she's hardly going to say "that was good, but I'd prefer more boobs please"

More than likely you won't even see evidence of their bisexuality (Isabela aside, for obvious reasons - but hey, that's because she has a consistent character)

[harktag]

I knew I was going to romance Anders, particularly since he wasn't a romance option in Awakenings. Which is fine since my wardens are true to Alistair.

So as soon as I discovered Anders was returning, I was going to make my first Hawke female just for him! But now... it looks like I don't have to!

Modifié par harktag, 04 mars 2011 - 03:01 .

[Ecaiki]

Carfax wrote...

If I want Anders to be straight and not bisexual, where is my choice?

Nowhere, just like the choice you have in anyone you know in RL being the sexuality you want.  Guess you'll just have to take the girls and ignore/kill the guys this time around.

*shrug*

Maferath wrote...

Obviously, they can't be romanced anymore if they have become filthy bisexuals.

Filthy.  [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/bandit.png[/smilie]

Modifié par Ecaiki, 04 mars 2011 - 03:05 .

[IndelibleJester]

ipgd wrote...

Blue_Shayde wrote...

if the straights get two options, why is it so hard to allow the LGBT to finally get options? so many narrow-minded jerks. =( But its inevitable they'd come to us to complain. We finally have won a little in something.

Clearly they're jealous that I get four.

I like this post.

[Taleroth]

The Lesser Evil wrote...

Carfax wrote...
If you want Anders and Fenris to be gay/bisexual in your game, thats fine.  I want them to be straight in my game however, yet no such option exists.

Unless the romances are contextually driven?

I'm fairly sure the romances ARE contextually driven. If you play a male Hawke and don't flirt with Anders or Fenris, they won't flirt with you, and Anders is HIGHLY unlikely to ever mention having been in a relationship with the friend that got tranquilled. If you don't go there, it's looking like both Fenris and Anders will be straight as far as your game is concerned.

That would be completely new for them.  I've gotten that impression that they fear if the companions don't bring it up, people might not even realize the option exists and completely miss it.

Pretty much every Bioware game I've played since Mass Effect 1, I have had to actively turn down every single romance option to not get entangled in it.  And sometimes it doesn't even stick and they still talk as if we're involved.  I'm looking at you Ashley.  *pantomimes a nuclear explosion*

[OrbitalWings]

catabuca wrote...
And with that in mind, now we know they're all bi, have you all decided who you're going to pursue first, with whom, and why?

Hehe, didn't we do this yesterday?

First LadyHawke with Isabela; that LadyHawke will be a slightly snarky but kind-hearted warrior. First MaleHawke with Anders. Given what we know about certain story elements, I may romance him with a mage now. Might make him a bit more comfortable, all things considered...

[LukaCrosszeria]

catabuca wrote...

7 days have never felt so long.

*waves fist in air impotently*

*waves fist along with cata*

[Carfax]

IndelibleJester wrote...

"(United States) An extensive study on sexuality in general was conducted in the United States.A significant portion of the study was geared towards homosexuality. The results found that 8.6% of women and 10.1% of men had at one point in their life experienced some form of homosexuality. Of these, 87% of women and 76% of men reported current same-sex attractions, 41% of women and 52% of men had sex with someone of the same gender, and 16% of women and 27% of men identified as LGBT." *1

*1 <link>

LOL, where did that study take place?  San Francisco?  

I trust the CNN exit polls, as it's a much more accurate representation of the general population.

CNN exit polling showed self-identified gay, lesbian, and bisexual voters at 4% of the voting population in the United States presidential election, 2008.

[LukaCrosszeria]

catabuca wrote...
And with that in mind, now we know they're all bi, have you all decided who you're going to pursue first, with whom, and why?

FenrisFenrisFenrisFenrisFenrisFenrisFenrisFenrisFenrisFenrisFenrisFenrisFenrisFenris

*heave heave*