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[Amagoi]

Thicos wrote...

Imagine Fenris in the real world.
It is obvious that he will be gay.

I prefer unique characters to M/M , M/F, F/F and bi for both M and F.

Please elaborate. Apparently the obviousness isn't obvious enough for me.

I'd like to see a human male M/M romance myself. Another Bi elf companion would kind of reinforce the saying of "It's not gay if it's an elf."

[maxernst]

Thicos wrote...

Imagine Fenris in the real world.
It is obvious that he will be gay.

I prefer unique characters to M/M , M/F, F/F and bi for both M and F.

I really hope Fenris will not be the M/M romance option.  Varric would be much more interesting, even if I don't find him particularly attractive.

[SteveGarbage]

Amagoi wrote...

Thicos wrote...

Imagine Fenris in the real world.
It is obvious that he will be gay.

I prefer unique characters to M/M , M/F, F/F and bi for both M and F.

Please elaborate. Apparently the obviousness isn't obvious enough for me.

I'd like to see a human male M/M romance myself. Another Bi elf companion would kind of reinforce the saying of "It's not gay if it's an elf."

Bahahah, Penny Arcade. Love that comic.

[Fidget6]

Tietj wrote...
Zevran was also more difficult to romance as a male, despite many claims to the contrary from people who were offended at being flirted with.  But when you first meet him, he flirts with a female warden much more obviously than he does with a male.  I'm not saying this as something I minded, just something I noticed that rarely gets mentioned. 

Zevran states in the game if you ask him about his sexuality that he does prefer women more than men, so it makes sense that he'll flirt with a woman faster. Which is generally how it works in real life too, most bisexual people still have a sex that they prefer stronger than the other, kudos to David Gaider for acknowledging that.

[upsettingshorts]

Regarding the accidental ninjamance in the preview, I think that was an issue of expectations.  They thought that the "<3" was just being casually flirty.  

Personally I think treating the "<3" as "I want to pursue an intimate relationship" will lead exactly where you expect it to.

[highcastle]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Regarding the accidental ninjamance in the preview, I think that was an issue of expectations.  They thought that the "<3" was just being casually flirty.  

Personally I think treating the "<3" as "I want to pursue an intimate relationship" will lead exactly where you expect it to.

Yeah, that's the impression I got, too. And personally. I'm happy to see the <3 icon system in place, as I too have been victim of Leliana's ninjamance. That being said, I did like that some characters--such as Zev--flirted with the Warden of their own accord. I hope that persists into DA2, since it was a nice touch. The icon system will just make it easier to either reciprocate or shoot down the pursuer.

[dgcatanisiri]

I wonder if there will be a prologue romance option like Dairren and Iona were. Granted, given that the prologue is likely the escape from Lothering, there may not be time, but we don't know exactly how it'll play out.

[andar91]

I'd be happy to have Fenris as a romance (a M/M option)); his personality sounds very different from what we've gotten before, and I don't think he seems effeminate based on what we've seen.



One thing I'd like to put forth; I hope that the romances can continue past the point where you sleep with the character. I always hate how after you sleep with them and actually get together, they end. I'd like there to be some sort of ongoing progression throughout the entire game.

[Saibh]

Thicos wrote...

Imagine Fenris in the real world.
It is obvious that he will be gay.

I prefer unique characters to M/M , M/F, F/F and bi for both M and F.

Some people were astounded Alistair wasn't the gay option, though. I think people see what they want to see.

Ninja Mage wrote...

Didn't Gaider say that Fenris was the M/m though? Or was he just talking about the game

He hasn't actually confirmed any romance outside of Isabela. He was joking around about the chemistry Jacob and Edward from Twilight had, and someone took that to mean he was the M/M interest.

[Jademoon121]

Wherever Bioware chooses to go with the M/M romances, I just hope they don't choose the same root as they did in DA. I know his depiction wasn't meant to be stereotypical at all and he does have his badass moments, but Zevran just rubs me the wrong way. I hate to sound whiny or self-centered, but I'm not into bishonen, latin-love, promiscuous and dainty men. Although it was great fun to hear his backstories and party banter(and it's for those reasons that I always accept him outside of combat) he came off to me as the archetypical effeminate GLBT male. I just couldn't romance him.
All that I want is a M/M LI that was actually a man in both looks and demeanor, like Sky in Jade Empire. Varric, though he's a little rough, I like, plus it's not to often that you get to romance a dwarf. Fenris though, I'm a little shaky on. He sounds and looks great with his backstory, huge sword, tribal armor, lyrium tattoos and the eternal pain/amnesia that comes with it, but he also reminds me of many a male lead I see in anime and manga. Bioware makes great characters though. So whatever happens in that department I'll be happy, though a break in tradition would be more than nice.

Modificata da Jademoon121, 04 gennaio 2011 - 10:32 .

[Maria Caliban]

Ninja Mage wrote...

Didn't Gaider say that Fenris was the M/m though? Or was he just talking about the game

He said that Edward Cullen and Jacob had more romantic tension with one another than with Bella. I have no idea how that turned into 'Fenris is a M/M love interest.'

[Ryzaki]

???

Really? I though Edward had more romantic tension with his dad (and Jasper for that matter) to be honest. He and Jacob couldn't even stand how the other smelled for pete's sake.

Modificata da Ryzaki, 04 gennaio 2011 - 11:05 .

[Dhiro]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Yes, it's optional.

Collider wrote...

And this time the game seems to be devoid of ninjamances. Thank god.

Actually, one reviewer said they tried to be friendly with a companion and ended up in bed.

Why I feel like the "companion" was Isabela?

Thicos wrote...

Imagine Fenris in the real world.
It is obvious that he will be gay.

I prefer unique characters to M/M , M/F, F/F and bi for both M and F.

He will? Anyway, people like to say how Zevran acted in a feminine way and, even if he like men, 'HE REALLY LIKES WOMAN MORE, OKAY? HE'S NOT SAYING THIS TO HURT YOUR FEELINGS, IT'S JUST THAT HE PREFER BREASTS. HEAR ME? B-R-E-A-S-T-S. BUT HE STILL LOVE YOU, MAN-PERSON.' *ahem*

maxernst wrote...

I really hope Fenris will not be
the M/M romance option.  Varric would be much more interesting, even if
I don't find him particularly attractive.

Agreed. Except that I do find Varric attractive, but I confess that's probably because of Aimo's art.

Saibh wrote...

Some people were astounded Alistair wasn't the gay option, though. I think people see what they want to see.

Probably. I don't get 'gay vibes' from Alistair, but he's very sweet and funny, so it's not surprising. Of course, Zevran could also be sweet and funny, but in a more 'sensual' way. Alistair was just adorable.

Ryzaki wrote...

???

Really? I though Edward had
more romantic tension with his dad (and Jasper for that matter) to be
honest. He and Jacob couldn't even stand how the other smelled for
pete's sake.

Even if I don't like Twilight, I know what you mean. Except the Jasper part, I find him dull. Also, in the movies Carlisle's actor is ridiculously handsome, and even if Taylor have a muscular body, he strikes me as really, really ugly.

/Offtopic

[pallascedar]

Thicos wrote...

Imagine Fenris in the real world.
It is obvious that he will be gay.

I prefer unique characters to M/M , M/F, F/F and bi for both M and F.

The world is filled with effeminate heterosexual men, we shouldn't make any assumptions based off of the way a character looks.

Modificata da pallascedar, 04 gennaio 2011 - 11:30 .

[KethWolfheart]

To answer the question posed, I would like to see a more average Joe be the romance option.  Just another guy who happens to be gay in other words.  No real stereotypes or anything like that.  As for tastes - well it would be nice if he was a warrior of some sort since they are seldom potrayed in this way.

For the actual romance I guess it would be nice to see something like how Alistairs worked out.  Rather shy and a little akward that you had to work at over time.  Maybe not quite as innocent ... but not someone who would just jump into the sack either.  More of a real relationship and partnership built over time.

Modificata da KethWolfheart, 04 gennaio 2011 - 11:32 .

[Ninja Mage]

Wouldn't mind if Nathaniel makes a return either

[jlb524]

Maria Caliban wrote...

I realize this is the M/M romance thread but someone mentioned non-PC/companion gay couples in DA and then someone complained about Branka/Hespith.

Noooo. That was awesome.

Branka must be female, she's Oghren's wife. Broodmothers can only be female. Branka could obviously not turn a male lover into a broodmother. Nor would Hespith going 'she turned me into a broodmother and I thought we were buddies!' work as well either.

The lead up to the Broodmother has got to be some of my favorite writing storytelling* in the game. I think it would be a shame if it had some of its teeth pulled because someone might interpret it as being unflattering to lesbians.

*Good writing, music, good animation for Hepith, good environmental design. I actually forgot how much I hated the earlier part of the deep roads.

The problem with this isn't in the writing of that couple in itself (I agree that it was quite good and the build up was awesome).

It's that there also aren't positive representations of s/s romances to go along with it (minus PC initiated romances).

Whereas, there are usually negative and positive opposite sex romances depicted in games.

The argument is that if there were also positive s/s couples shown to go along with the Branka one, then things would be fine.

Modificata da jlb524, 05 gennaio 2011 - 02:35 .

[upsettingshorts]

I took the Branka/Hespith relationship as something that had been positive, but was ruined by Branka's obsession. It was a way of personifying what she did to her entire house, not really any kind of indictment of S/S romance.

Modificata da Upsettingshorts, 05 gennaio 2011 - 02:56 .

[jlb524]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

I took the Branka/Hespith relationship as something that had been positive, but was ruined by Branka's obsession. It was a way of personifying what she did to her entire house, not really any kind of indictment of S/S romance.

I don't think this matters...we see only the negative stuff in game.

Also, I don't think people bring this up to point fingers (well, some don't)...it's just an observation on how this could be seen as offensive to someone in the LGBTQ community given that this is one of the only s/s romances that most will see in the context of the entire game.  I'm aware this wasn't intentional nor are the DA writers out to paint homosexuality in a bad light.

I know they don't sit around their writing table and discuss ways they can make homosexuals look bad.  I know they aren't homophobic.  It's merely just a comment on what is there in the game and how it could be perceived.

To continue, I know the last thread was closed b/c people were pointing fingers and blaming BW of 'homophobia' because of this.  I think there are two sides here....those that think BW is out to get homosexuals and those that just want to raise awareness about potential offenses.   BW can hardly be seen as homophobic, as they do usually include s/s romances in game.  I don't see the latter as problematic, though.  It's just inevitible that people will offend and be offended by things...we all do it.  I'm sure I've offended loads of others.  I would hope that if I have offended someone that they would civilly explain the whys as to how that happened so I could change and avoid it in the future, and not resort to name calling or blame.  Therefore, my goal is just to raise awareness of these issues and point them out, but not to resort to name-calling or trying to paint BW and the writers in a negative light.

Modificata da jlb524, 05 gennaio 2011 - 03:26 .

[Amagoi]

Maybe I'm stretching a little bit here, but Wade and Herren seemed a positive samesex couple. They compliment each other very well. It always seemed to me that without Herren keeping him on track, Wade would probably be a master craftsman with no money or jobs.

Though I have to agree, I'd like to see more positive couples like that in the future. I enjoyed Branka/Hespith quite a bit, but I'm a sucker for romances ending in tragedy - which Dragon Age has plenty of.

[jlb524]

Amagoi wrote...

Maybe I'm stretching a little bit here, but Wade and Herren seemed a positive samesex couple. They compliment each other very well. It always seemed to me that without Herren keeping him on track, Wade would probably be a master craftsman with no money or jobs.

I think that it would be, but they weren't explicitly shown as an actual couple in DA:O...I think they were in the expansion?

I'm not sure as I have yet to play Awakenings.

[Amagoi]

They were never 'confirmed' in Origins or in Awakening, I think Gavid Daider said outright that they were on the forums. It was just hinted at.

[jlb524]

I see. I'd just rather it made explicit in game.

[Amagoi]

Fair enough. I was thinking about it, and considering the way we interacted with them, an outright message of 'Hey, we're a couple' would just seem rather intrustive. It is still a sorta professional environment that we meet them in. So the hinting at it just always seemed easier and more sensible to me personally. Granted, if they wanted, I'm sure the writers could have made it plain that they were together without it seeming out of place.

I'd like to see a more serious samesex relationship between NPCs, or Hawke and a companion, in DA2 myself. Though this is a fantasy, it's still based more or less on medieval Europe. I've always thought it must have been a lot harder (which would make for a more intersting story, but I'm sadistic.) to both come to terms with your sexuality as you grow up and finding love.

Plus, I think there was a thread about the Qunari in particular, but it'd be neat to see if other cultures handle samesex relationships any different than humans do. Especially in more tight-knit communities like the Dalish or the Dwarves. Would make for a good story IMO, even if it's just mentioned off-handedly.

[Dave of Canada]

So somebody has to outright say "Hey, we're a couple. I know it's none of your buisness but there you go."?

Modificata da Dave of Canada, 05 gennaio 2011 - 04:27 .