Dave of Canada wrote...
So somebody has to outright say "Hey, we're a couple. I know it's none of your buisness but there you go."?
jlb524 wrote...
Obviously not, but it also wasn't made apparent they were, and there are other ways to do this besides screaming it out to the whole world.
Dave of Canada wrote...
jlb524 wrote...
Obviously not, but it also wasn't made apparent they were, and there are other ways to do this besides screaming it out to the whole world.
They bickered like an old married couple and it was hinted, they don't need to outright say it. Does it really matter to the Warden if he knows or not?
Modifié par Dave of Canada, 05 janvier 2011 - 04:52 .
Slidell505 wrote...
Feniris is the gay LI. I'm putting all my money on that. A male bisexual tattooed elf. Man, I'm getting deja vu
jlb524 wrote...
Upsettingshorts wrote...
I took the Branka/Hespith relationship as something that had been positive, but was ruined by Branka's obsession. It was a way of personifying what she did to her entire house, not really any kind of indictment of S/S romance.
I don't think this matters...we see only the negative stuff in game.
Also, I don't think people bring this up to point fingers (well, some don't)...it's just an observation on how this could be seen as offensive to someone in the LGBTQ community given that this is one of the only s/s romances that most will see in the context of the entire game. I'm aware this wasn't intentional nor are the DA writers out to paint homosexuality in a bad light.
I know they don't sit around their writing table and discuss ways they can make homosexuals look bad. I know they aren't homophobic. It's merely just a comment on what is there in the game and how it could be perceived.
To continue, I know the last thread was closed b/c people were pointing fingers and blaming BW of 'homophobia' because of this. I think there are two sides here....those that think BW is out to get homosexuals and those that just want to raise awareness about potential offenses. BW can hardly be seen as homophobic, as they do usually include s/s romances in game. I don't see the latter as problematic, though. It's just inevitible that people will offend and be offended by things...we all do it. I'm sure I've offended loads of others. I would hope that if I have offended someone that they would civilly explain the whys as to how that happened so I could change and avoid it in the future, and not resort to name calling or blame. Therefore, my goal is just to raise awareness of these issues and point them out, but not to resort to name-calling or trying to paint BW and the writers in a negative light.
Dave of Canada wrote...
I thought the discussion was about a happy gay couple not existing in game, not about making a gay couple 100% obvious.
Nightwriter wrote...
So you're not a rabble-rouser, you're a rabble-rouser watchguard. It makes sense!
Nightwriter wrote...
And btw, I had no idea Wade and Herren were a couple until I was told so by a forumite.
dgcatanisiri wrote...
Either Herren or Wade could have used a term of endearment that you usually expect from a person in a long-term relationship to make it explicit.
I have said it before, I will say it again, I really don't want Fenris as a LI. I grant that he's going to be an entirely different person than Zevran, but how about getting an elf who ISN'T a sex object - and that goes for my opinion of him for both M/M AND M/F relations. I still want a human warrior to be my M/M love interest.
jlb524 wrote...
I see. I'd just rather it made explicit in game.
Collider wrote...
Herren & Wade may have been a gay couple, but at best it was subtle.
AngelicMachinery wrote...
jlb524 wrote...
I see. I'd just rather it made explicit in game.
The only thing they didn't do was come out and say "Hey, we're totally lovers." At least in my oppinion after the second interaction it was pretty obvious, they acted just like my mom and dad. With Henren of course being my mother...
I think it would be fair to say that it wasn't as obvious as Branka and Hespith, as well as the the straight NPC relationships in the game in general. Like Anora and Cailan.slimgrin wrote...
Collider wrote...
Herren & Wade may have been a gay couple, but at best it was subtle.
I saw nothing subtle about those two, and I loved them to death.
jlb524 wrote...
They don't have to say that, but there are other ways to make it more explicit and the in game stuff was still lost on many people.
jlb524 wrote...
AngelicMachinery wrote...
jlb524 wrote...
I see. I'd just rather it made explicit in game.
The only thing they didn't do was come out and say "Hey, we're totally lovers." At least in my oppinion after the second interaction it was pretty obvious, they acted just like my mom and dad. With Henren of course being my mother...
They don't have to say that, but there are other ways to make it more explicit and the in game stuff was still lost on many people.
I don't believe that anyone is suggesting that they beat the player over the head with it. Do you think they were beating players over the head about Anora and Cailan? No. You knew they were a couple, and that she cared about him, but I wouldn't say that they beat players over the head with it.relhart wrote...
As hesitant as I am to step foot upon this ground. Why would you want Bio to beat you over the head with a couples gayety? It's not like they would do it with a hetero couple, it seems like their need to shove it in your face would be more offensive. I think they handled Harren and Wade fairly well, it was pretty obvious to me there was something going on between them. I'm a big fan of subtlety in all writing though. As far as "happy" relationships, good luck finding two people on this planet that don't have SOME sort of conflict with one another.
David Gaider wrote...
I get what you're saying... but was there a particular example of a happy, positive straight relationship in DAO?
Modifié par slimgrin, 05 janvier 2011 - 06:31 .
Retour en haut