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I want Varric for m/m. Partially because it would result in more amazing Aimo art, partially because he's my favorite dude character so far, largely because he's absolutetly adorable.


Well,  if the LI actually played out like her artwork it'd be great....  but the concern is that not only does he not really look as smooth in-game,  it won't be as win as all that either.  :(

At the moment,  I try not to base it off of fanwork that may or may not be off-mark speculation.   But this leads me down my path of the dating-sim born love of somewhat unhealthy and/or difficult digital relationships.  Oh, and choosing from the sheer beauty of what the character looks like, as well.  

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Justified or not, the gay elf cliché already exists in some people's minds. In my experience mostly immature homophobic people though. The kind of people who accuse someone as gay for playing an elf in the first place.
Zandir in drawn together is proof for that, because ALL the characters there are based on clichés. He simply wouldn't exist, if there weren't a cliché.

But I don't think that Fenris being the s/s LI would enforce the situation except for people who are seeing elves as effimate twinks already anyway, so there's nothing really to lose. Especially in the Dragon Age universe elves are very diverse. There are City elves, the Dalish, elves who belong to the Circle...Then vou have Zevran who considers himself more Antivian than anything else. Which is why he doesn't count as "typical gay elf" in my oppinion anyway. His bisexuality is by everyone in the game percieved as an antivian thing and not an elvish thing.
His flirtatiousness is also not depicted as an elvish thing but as something that comes with the rogue lifestyle. No part of his sexuality seems to be based on the fact that he is an elf, but of course you only know that when you actually play the game and get to know him. Same as finding out how deep he actually can be when he falls in love with your character and refuses to sleep with him/her for a while out of confusion. A lot of people seem to ignore that part and just see him as easy.

So, speculatively, you have an Antivian rogue and you have Fenris. A former slave warrior with issues and mysterious abilities. Ignoring the elf thing for a moment, it does make a potentially interesting LI with new obstacles in a romance to explore. If you wanted to have a character with that background in the Dragon Age world, what race would make more sense than an elf? But again, I don't see the race as the most prominent trait. It's more like it comes with being a slave than the other way round. Of course, there will be people who will only ever look at it from a very superficial level and probably brandmark it as a recurring cliché about elves, but should a writer concentrate more on trying to please the masses or tell the story they want to tell? IF Fenris turns out to be a s/s LI, he wouldn't be first and foremost another elf for me, but a character with an intresting backstory that provides massive obstacles for the romance. Which is good!

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I have to admit, all previous debates aside, that the Fenris obsession is fascinating to me. We know nothing about him. His description so far could apply just as easily to a complete sociopath as it does to the "guarded stoic" people have taken it as... All we know is that he was tortured for years, turned into a killing machine, and escaped.
Yet so many people are already so certain that he's this gentle shy romantic... It's just so weird to me.


This is basically a summary of a very popular theme in fanfiction. For some reason that I can't explain, lots of people seem to dig the idea of a romantic relationship in which one partner helps the other to overcome their horribly dark trauma from the past. Where there is no canon trauma, one would be made up for the fanfic. It's actually so frequent that it has become its own cliché or category in fanfiction, so it's probably not so surprising that some people are hoping for something like that and therefore projecting it into his character. The concept appeals.


Personally I am hoping for Fenris as a bi LI. I can't decide whether I'd prefer it to be a friendship or rivalry romance, both could be amazing. On the one hand there is the possibility of gently gaining his trust and friendship until that moment that someone described so beautifully, when he let's himself be touched for the first time. Never was chaste handholding so sweet. :crying:
On the other hand, I can easily picture him as a bit more agressive. Wall pinning was mentioned. I'd like that, and if he is indeed short tempered (I don't know if that is actually confirmed or not)  there probably is potential for a rougher kind of relationship. BUT! I want to see Fenris do the pinning! After all, what's the easiest way to get around his aversion of being touched? Let him do the touching. :P

I would have loved Anders as an LI in Awakening.
When I heard about him being possessed by Justice I thought meh...But when I herad about the vengance twist I was like Hell yeah! THAT is interesting. But please not as a LI, because now I want the story focus on that and he probably has enough on his plate right now. There could be so much more exciting things going on now than a love story and I think a romance would steal the spotlight from that.
Justice was never motivated by anything but...justice. It will be similar now, so I can't imagine him being interested in romance at all. I assume that Anders is very busy trying to fight for his very existance and not getting taken over completely, don't see where he has the energy left for distractions like love. Poor guy, he only ever wanted his freedom and now he isn't free in his own body. :mellow:

I used to dislike the idea of dwarf LIs, just because personally I don't like their body types and what I thought was their general character traits. But Varric seems so very awesome and different, I could warm to the idea. Consider me dwarf curious. I don't know if it's likely though. I'd prefer Fenris, all things considered. Simply because, based on what I think I know about the characters so far, Fenris has the most intriguing potential for a romance story.:)

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Minxie18 wrote...

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But me, I really hope it won't be any of the annouced party members because they just don't go well with male Hawke. I hope for a non party member love interest....

Sometimes I wonder if that might be the case for the m/m LI...

I still hope it's Anders, though. B)


Y'know, the more I think about it, the more I think that we might just get a non-party member. :pinched:

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I would have loved Anders as an LI in Awakening.
When I heard about him being possessed by Justice I thought meh...But when I herad about the vengance twist I was like Hell yeah! THAT is interesting. But please not as a LI, because now I want the story focus on that and he probably has enough on his plate right now.


I don't think there's much question that Anders and Fenris will both be LIs -- the only question is which will be bi, and which straight.

I really enjoy the Varric fanart, but, despite the slight last-minute redesign we've seen to make his model more attractive, I dont' think Bioware has had the time or flexibility to rewrite Varric as the hairy sex-god that a certain sector of the community wants.

I'm pretty sure that they are following the simple but reasonable plan from DA:O of having two of each sex, one of whom is bi. I'm fairly confidently expecting....

Anders -- straight (?)
Fenris -- bi (?)
Isabella -- bi
Merrill -- straight

So, bi or not, I don't think there's much doubt that Anders will have to spend some time on kissyface of one variety or another.

And a romance could mesh well with the "possessed by vengeance" story -- lots of good love stories involve a woman struggling to get through to a man who is at the mercy of his furies.

Modifié par distinguetraces, 09 février 2011 - 07:20 .


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Hm...I'm not so against Anders as I was at first.



It could be interesting.



Though if he is the LI I need to roll a warrior Hawke. 2 mages in a party to me is overkill.

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i'd still prefer Fenris. Anders officially scares me now. >_> *scoots away from the ticking time bomb mage and takes her chances with the crafted killing machine instead*

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Ryzaki wrote...

Eh I can't attack you because I feel the same way about Anders.

His nose just bothered me.


Heh. Whereas I modded my game so Alistair looked a little like Anders XD

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Y'know, they said there will be LI for each gender and orientation...I consider bi and gay to be separate orientations so I propose:



Aveline - straight

Isabela - bi

Merill - lesbian



Anders - straight

Fenris - bi

Sebastian - gay



Though fenris could switch with sebastian and I suppose varric is a possibility (blech) buti would figure Varric for the straight not bi or gay.

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Leoroc wrote...

 There won´t be any exclusively homosexual romances. This was explained at length in another thread. Also I highly  doubt that all six not blood related NPC companions will be romance-able.

I think the romances will be:
Isabela (both for males and females)
Merrill  (for males)
Fenris (males and females)
Anders (females)

Aveline sounds too much like Jahira and Varic is a dwarf so I do not believe that they will be romance-able, even if that is a bit racist in the second case.
I think that it will be Fenris for the m/m romance because he is the only male character written by Mr. Gaider, Anders was written by Jennifer Helper and Varric by Mary Kirby, and Mr. Gaider´s posts gave me the impression that he wrote the m/m romance. I could be wrong though.

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Maybe not, but it doesn't mean that there will only be one LI of each type (ME2 had 6 romances) or that we've seen all the companions. We are still 2 shy compared to Origins and there will probably be an unannounced secret companion.

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Wittand25 wrote...

Leoroc wrote...

 There won´t be any exclusively homosexual romances. This was explained at length in another thread. Also I highly  doubt that all six not blood related NPC companions will be romance-able.

I think the romances will be:
Isabela (both for males and females)
Merrill  (for males)
Fenris (males and females)
Anders (females)

Aveline sounds too much like Jahira and Varic is a dwarf so I do not believe that they will be romance-able, even if that is a bit racist in the second case.
I think that it will be Fenris for the m/m romance because he is the only male character written by Mr. Gaider, Anders was written by Jennifer Helper and Varric by Mary Kirby, and Mr. Gaider´s posts gave me the impression that he wrote the m/m romance. I could be wrong though.


this just made my day. xD Sadly, in a perfect world, Leoroc would be right. but, unfortunately, its to soon still. :(

Modifié par Blue_Shayde, 09 février 2011 - 02:28 .


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I'm curious about something...

What is it about Fenris that makes him more likely to be the bi LI than anyone else?

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Jimmy Fury wrote...

I'm curious about something...

What is it about Fenris that makes him more likely to be the bi LI than anyone else?


Varric is a dwarf, Carver is your brother, Sebastian is dlc, and Anders is already established as something of a skirt chaser.

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HopHazzard wrote...

Jimmy Fury wrote...

I'm curious about something...

What is it about Fenris that makes him more likely to be the bi LI than anyone else?

Varric is a dwarf, Carver is your brother, Sebastian is dlc, and Anders is already established as something of a skirt chaser.

Sorry but you'll have to elaborate for me. I don't understand how Varric's race is a reason for Fenris to be more likely to be the bi LI. And how was Anders established as a skirt chaser? Was it that one line about a girl?

Modifié par Jimmy Fury, 09 février 2011 - 03:24 .


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Dwarves are not many people's ideal romance (male or female). I know I would be very disappointed if there's only one m/m option and it is Varric. And if you played Awakenings Anders was particularly fond of boobies.

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Leoroc wrote...

Dwarves are not many people's ideal romance (male or female). I know I would be very disappointed if there's only one m/m option and it is Varric. And if you played Awakenings Anders was particularly fond of boobies.


But so was Zevran. I'm sure if they really wanted to make Anders the bi LI they would.

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Sheysira wrote...

Leoroc wrote...

Dwarves are not many people's ideal romance (male or female). I know I would be very disappointed if there's only one m/m option and it is Varric. And if you played Awakenings Anders was particularly fond of boobies.


But so was Zevran. I'm sure if they really wanted to make Anders the bi LI they would.

If they wanted to they could. Though I find it unlikely. I could be wrong though. We'll just have to wait and see.

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Varric for M/M option? Anyone?

...

*Tumbleweed*



Just me then.








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I think the m/m LI is most likely Fenris. If he is, I really have no problem with it. IMO he is not like Zevran at all (the only thing in common is that they are both elven), but their personalities/stories are different. I guess there's also a possibility of the m/m LI being a non-companion character...someone important  maybe...Posted Image

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Leoroc wrote...

Dwarves are not many people's ideal romance (male or female). I know I would be very disappointed if there's only one m/m option and it is Varric. And if you played Awakenings Anders was particularly fond of boobies.

I have played awakenings and I never once got that impression. He had that one line about "a pretty girl, a decent meal, and the right to shoot lightening at fools" , the joke about a harem that immediately followed the "pretty girl" line,  and then some sideways cracks at Velanna and Oghren that sounded, to me, more like snark than anything else. I never even got a flirtatious vibe from him.
Even reading his dialogue on the wiki the only thing I seem to have missed in game was the bit about the female templar making it more fun to get caught.
But like Sheysira said, compared to Zev's dialogue that's nothing.

As for dwarves, Varric's fan thread has its share of fangirls/boys and there have been numerous people posting on this thread that they would like Varric. Not to mention that s/s romances themselves aren't "many people's ideal romance" so that's not the best selling point for me...

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While if I had to pick I'd prefer Fenris, I wouldn't mind Varric either. Of course the ideal would be both of them!

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Amitar wrote...

Varric for M/M option? Anyone?
...
*Tumbleweed*

Just me then.


No please, just no. If there were 2 m/m options then yeah but I'd be pissed if there's only one and it's Varric. Posted Image

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Amitar wrote...

Varric for M/M option? Anyone?
...
*Tumbleweed*

Just me then.



Not just you.

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Erani wrote...
No please, just no. If there were 2 m/m options then yeah but I'd be pissed if there's only one and it's Varric. Posted Image

To be fair there are people who feel the same way about Fenris... :?

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Amitar wrote...

Varric for M/M option? Anyone?

I'd prefer a human but I wouldn't mind Varric. It'd be different which is always fun and as a short hairy guy myself I can't really fault the dwarven body type without being all self-critical :lol: