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[HopHazzard]

Jimmy Fury wrote...

Fine fine I get it. I'm done.

I apologize for ever suggesting anyone other than Fenris could possibly be an LI.

Obviously I'm just stupid and delusional. I'll go away now and stop bothering you all with my absurd accusations that no character is any more likely than any other at this point.

I don't think it's impossible, just unlikely. And I certainly don't think you're stupid (in fact, I think you're kind of awesome). A good writer can pull off anything, and DA has no shortage of those.

Modifié par HopHazzard, 13 février 2011 - 05:50 .

[Pyrrhus of Epirus]

I agree with basically everything Jimmy Fury said, actually. Just because Anders flirts with women, it doesn't mean that he couldn't be the bisexual love interest. Sexuality is fluid, after all, and possibly he didn't feel comfortable being vocal about it.

Just because Zevran was more overt, that doesn't mean that every other bisexual male will behave like Zevran, flirtatious or no. They're individual characters and will handle their sexualities in different ways. Besides which, if being sexually open and detectably interested in men is the qualifier for the bi LI... closed off, restrained, no-touching Fenris would be the less likely option.

Fenris seems like he'll be an amazing character, and I'm sure I'll love him, but I think it'll be... uncomfortable if he's the bi LI. There are some unfortunate implications when the bi male is once again a foreign elf with a history of slavery and abuse, who you can easily cut out of your party. Their personalities may be very different, but that's a pattern.

Modifié par Pyrrhus of Epirus, 13 février 2011 - 05:52 .

[obnoxiousgas]

distinguetraces wrote...

Jimmy Fury wrote...
Obviously I'm just stupid and delusional. I'll go away now and stop bothering you all with my absurd accusations that no character is any more likely than any other at this point.

Of course, we don't know, but my guess is based on who is writing what.

Gaider wrote Zevran and Fenris. He created Anders (and Justice) in Awakening, but then passed them over to Jennifer Hepler for DA2.

It's unlikely he'd have someone else write the m/m romance, so I'm now 90% sure Fenris is it.

HOWEVER, if, as it now appears from Priestly's comment, Fenris' personality may consist of just being an ass to everybody like Sten, I don't want him on my team.

Suddenly, Team Anders!!

Unless, of course, it is Anders who is the surprise jerk. I mean, exactly as planned. /malevolent kitty stroking.

Again, I'd really like Anders for the M/M option but I rather suspect my LI fu is weak.

[Ryzaki]

Jimmy Fury wrote...

Fine fine I get it. I'm done.

I apologize for ever suggesting anyone other than Fenris could possibly be an LI.

Obviously I'm just stupid and delusional. I'll go away now and stop bothering you all with my absurd accusations that no character is any more likely than any other at this point.

Come off it you know that's not what we ment. 

I guess we'll know for sure when some reviewer decides to do the m/m romance. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 13 février 2011 - 05:59 .

[Minxie]

Pyrrhus of Epirus wrote...

I agree with basically everything Jimmy Fury said, actually. Just because Anders flirts with women, it doesn't mean that he couldn't be the bisexual love interest. Sexuality is fluid, after all, and possibly he didn't feel comfortable being vocal about it.

Just because Zevran was more overt, that doesn't mean that every other bisexual male will behave like Zevran, flirtatious or no. They're individual characters and will handle their sexualities in different ways. Besides which, if being sexually open and detectably interested in men is the qualifier for the bi LI... closed off, restrained, no-touching Fenris would be the less likely option.

Fenris seems like he'll be an amazing character, and I'm sure I'll love him, but I think it'll be... uncomfortable if he's the bi LI. There are some unfortunate implications when the bi male is once again a foreign elf with a history of slavery and abuse, who you can easily cut out of your party. Their personalities may be very different, but that's a pattern.

I have to admit that is a factor for me. It's a small reason why I prefer Anders for my M!Hawke.

[Ryzaki]

Pyrrhus of Epirus wrote...

I agree with basically everything Jimmy Fury said, actually. Just because Anders flirts with women, it doesn't mean that he couldn't be the bisexual love interest. Sexuality is fluid, after all, and possibly he didn't feel comfortable being vocal about it.

Just because Zevran was more overt, that doesn't mean that every other bisexual male will behave like Zevran, flirtatious or no. They're individual characters and will handle their sexualities in different ways. Besides which, if being sexually open and detectably interested in men is the qualifier for the bi LI... closed off, restrained, no-touching Fenris would be the less likely option.

Fenris seems like he'll be an amazing character, and I'm sure I'll love him, but I think it'll be... uncomfortable if he's the bi LI. There are some unfortunate implications when the bi male is once again a foreign elf with a history of slavery and abuse, who you can easily cut out of your party. Their personalities may be very different, but that's a pattern.

I have to admit that does bother me somewhat. I hope they're different enough that their similarities end up ultimatey just surface wise. 

[elirian_19]

EDIT: Nvm. Didn't see the other post.

Modifié par elirian_19, 13 février 2011 - 06:11 .

[elirian_19]

Indeed.

Anyway, while I would prefer that Fenris be the m/m option for various reasons, I'm really open to both. Especially after seeing Anders all exhausted in that one video... my inner Hawke suddenly became very protective.

[Ryzaki]

elirian_19 wrote...

Indeed.

Anyway, while I would prefer that Fenris be the m/m option for various reasons, I'm really open to both. Especially after seeing Anders all exhausted in that one video... my inner Hawke suddenly became very protective.

I wouldn't mind either one of them to be honest. I'd prefer Fenris but either would be good. 

I hope Anders is the jerk though. Just for the lulz.  

Either him or Carver. (Imagine if Carver sells you out to the templars! ) Probably would happen becuse he's angry that he's the only sibling without magic. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 13 février 2011 - 06:17 .

[Pyrrhus of Epirus]

Ryzaki wrote...

Pyrrhus of Epirus wrote...

Fenris seems like he'll be an amazing character, and I'm sure I'll love him, but I think it'll be... uncomfortable if he's the bi LI. There are some unfortunate implications when the bi male is once again a foreign elf with a history of slavery and abuse, who you can easily cut out of your party. Their personalities may be very different, but that's a pattern.

I have to admit that does bother me somewhat. I hope they're different enough that their similarities end up ultimatey just surface wise. 

If it ends up being him (and I'm bracing myself for it; it honestly seems likely), I hope so too. :c I have faith that he'll be a well written and ultimately lovable character no matter what.

Buuuut... I don't know if simply having different personalities and defense mechanisms will do enough to fix the problem, because that pattern will remain. The pattern issue is a separate discussion from whether or not he and Zevran are the same character, because obviously they're going to be very different. DA has amazing writers who will do great, unique things with the character. I loved Zevran because they took a stereotypical, problematic archetype and made him a really well developed, fully realized character. I think that'll lose its impact for me if they repeat themselves with Fenris. It won't feel like they're playing with stereotypes anymore, but playing into them instead.

Modifié par Pyrrhus of Epirus, 13 février 2011 - 06:28 .

[elirian_19]

Ryzaki wrote...

elirian_19 wrote...

Indeed.

Anyway, while I would prefer that Fenris be the m/m option for various reasons, I'm really open to both. Especially after seeing Anders all exhausted in that one video... my inner Hawke suddenly became very protective.

I wouldn't mind either one of them to be honest. I'd prefer Fenris but either would be good. 

I hope Anders is the jerk though. Just for the lulz.  

Either him or Carver. (Imagine if Carver sells you out to the templars! ) Probably would happen becuse he's angry that he's the only sibling without magic. 

Anders as a jerk would certainly take a lot of people by surprise. Especially those who don't know about the Vengeance development.

You know who hasn't been mentioned as a possible jerk? Varric... *prepares to be stoned to death*

And if Carver sells me out it will be a sad day indeed. Apparently Lukas said that he wrote a character who wouldn't want to, but who would end up hurting Hawke in the end. I don't know how true that is, however.

Modifié par elirian_19, 13 février 2011 - 06:44 .

[Rinji the Bearded]

elirian_19 wrote...

Anders as a jerk would certainly take a lot of people by surprise. Especially those who don't know about the Vengeance development.

You know who hasn't been mentioned as a possible jerk? Varric... *prepares to be stoned to death*

And if Carver sells me out it will be a sad day indeed. Apparently Lukas said that he wrote a character who wouldn't want to, but who would end up hurting Hawke in the end. I don't know how true that is, however.

LOL... I always wondered that.  What if Varric ends up being a bit more seedy of a character?  Can you say "spy network?"  I think that would be quite a twist!  I've already received the scorn of a couple of Varric fans so... bring it on!  Let's heat up the discussion!

I'm thinking Carver might sell out Mage Hawke only if that means something for the greater good, or at least the greater good in his mind.  Maybe he wants to protect their mother or family name?  We'll see...

... Oh, the topic?  Fenris for m/m romance.

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 13 février 2011 - 06:44 .

[Ryzaki]

Pyrrhus of Epirus wrote...

If it ends up being him (and I'm bracing myself for it; it honestly seems likely), I hope so too. :c I have faith that he'll be a well written and ultimately lovable character no matter what.

Buuuut... I don't know if simply having different personalities and defense mechanisms will do enough to fix the problem, because that pattern will remain. The pattern issue is a separate discussion from whether or not he and Zevran are the same character, because obviously they're going to be very different. DA has amazing writers who will do great, unique things with the character. I loved Zevran because they took a stereotypical, problematic archetype and made him a really well developed, fully realized character. I think that'll lose its impact for me if they repeat themselves with Fenris. It won't feel like they're playing with stereotypes anymore, but playing into them instead.

Hm...I don't know. It depends on the type of abuse Fenris sufferd. Frankly if it's not sexual I'd be pleased (that really squicked me out about Zevran plus it plays into that whole "gays and bisexuals were molested as children" nonsense.) I don't mind torture as much as child sexual abuse (weird I know). I hated Zevran though so..eh. But he wasn't sterotypical I'll give them that. 

I don't know because there are plenty of sterotypes that Zevran was that Fenris doesn't seem to share. 

I only see it losing impact if they make them exactly the same (and have a point where Fenris will turn on you unless his friendship/rivalry was on a certain level <_<). 

That said we just have different views I'm afraid. I just hope that whoever they choose will be a great LI. 

elirian_19 wrote... 
Anders as a jerk would certainly take a lot of people by surprise.  Especially those who don't know about the Vengeance development.

You know who hasn't been mentioned as a possible jerk? Varric... *prepares to be stoned to death*

And if Carver sells me out it will be a sad day indeed. Apparently Lukas said that he wrote a character who wouldn't want to, but who would end up hurting Hawke in the end. I don't know how true that is, however.

OH yes it would. It's a heavy risk...but the priiiize.  

And yeah those that dont know about Vengence would be left going: WTF happened? 

*starts chucking stones*

I'd lol before raging.
Who did Lukas write? 

On topic: Luckily all the potential LIs look interesting. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 13 février 2011 - 06:49 .

[Eorion_Moonwing]

I think that this time its better to be an "I have no preferences, I like you" option rather than "I prefer women but I like you". In this case Anders far more like Zev if he really turn to be  a bi option. 

Modifié par Eorion_Moonwing, 13 février 2011 - 06:54 .

[elirian_19]

Ryzaki wrote...

Hm...I don't know. It depends on the type of abuse Fenris sufferd. Frankly if it's not sexual I'd be pleased (that really squicked me out about Zevran plus it plays into that whole "gays and bisexuals were molested as children" nonsense.) I don't mind torture as much as child sexual abuse (weird I know). I hated Zevran though so..eh. But he wasn't sterotypical I'll give them that. 

I don't know because there are plenty of sterotypes that Zevran was that Fenris doesn't seem to share. 

I only see it losing impact if they make them exactly the same (and have a point where Fenris will turn on you unless his friendship/rivalry was on a certain level <_<). 

That said we just have different views I'm afraid. I just hope that whoever they choose will be a great LI. 

OH yes it would. It's a heavy risk...but the priiiize.  

And yeah those that dont know about Vengence would be left going: WTF happened? 

*starts chucking stones*

I'd lol before raging.
Who did Lukas write? 

On topic: Luckily all the potential LIs look interesting. 

Lukas wrote Carver and Aveline. And, um, Jacob...

I understand the slave fears everyone has, but I very much doubt it'll be a problem. I have faith...

And I'm with you on the sexual abuse thing. That's why I'm so against Fenris's former master lusting after him.

On topic: I wonder if Anders does turn out to be the m/m how they'll handle that. I was pretty convinced he was strait.

[Ryzaki]

....Jacob? *brain explodes* He gave us the priiize? Awesome!



I doubt they'll be similar.



Yes very...squicky. I don't know why people even want that. Squick .



Me too. He didn't hit on my Warden at all. :/

Poor Aedan. He just wanted to be complimented.

[Eorion_Moonwing]

elirian_19 wrote...


On topic: I wonder if Anders does turn out to be the m/m how they'll handle that. I was pretty convinced he was strait.

Easily. We assume that he was straight but writers can tell that we were wrong. But that will bring "I prefer women but you are suitable alternative" , as well as humorous character (he is still mostly his sarcastic self).

And I think it strange when m/m romance is written by the woman. I believe that all BioWare writers are super professional but for me something is wrong here.

[HopHazzard]

elirian_19 wrote...
On topic: I wonder if Anders does turn out to be the m/m how they'll handle that. I was pretty convinced he was strait.

Bi The Way

Modifié par HopHazzard, 13 février 2011 - 07:12 .

[elirian_19]

Eorion_Moonwing wrote...

elirian_19 wrote...


On topic: I wonder if Anders does turn out to be the m/m how they'll handle that. I was pretty convinced he was strait.

Easily. We assume that he was straight but writers can tell that we were wrong. But that will bring "I prefer women but you are suitable alternative" , as well as humorous character (he is still mostly his sarcastic self).

And I think it strange when m/m romance is written by the woman. I believe that all BioWare writers are super professional but for me something is wrong here.

Well in that case he seems more like Zevran than Fenris does...

[Dhiro]

Eorion_Moonwing wrote...

elirian_19 wrote...


On topic: I wonder if Anders does turn out to be the m/m how they'll handle that. I was pretty convinced he was strait.

Easily. We assume that he was straight but writers can tell that we were wrong. But that will bring "I prefer women but you are suitable alternative" , as well as humorous character (he is still mostly his sarcastic self).

And I think it strange when m/m romance is written by the woman. I believe that all BioWare writers are super professional but for me something is wrong here.

I know yaoi fangirls that can make gay sex look better and more beliavable in a way that gay men can only dream of, so I don't think there's anything wrong at all. In any way, I assume some men can't really get the 'feel' of a gay character and prefer to give them to other person than make a bad job. Who knows.

[Eorion_Moonwing]

elirian_19 wrote...

Well in that case he seems more like Zevran than Fenris does...

Yep, and thats the problem. Zev like (not copy but overall tone of Anders is pretty Zevran like) personality in human body or different personality (If I remember correctly people wanted some manly, dark and strong person to be bi option) in elf body. What is more important.