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plumededragop wrote...

You're getting on 11th? Same here. :crying: Sucks Europe being delayed...


I'm actually not that bothered about getting it on the 11th. From a pragmatic pov, it means I'll be able to check here to see who the m/m option is so I know whether to roll a dudeHawke or femHawke ;)

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catabuca wrote...

plumededragop wrote...

You're getting on 11th? Same here. :crying: Sucks Europe being delayed...


I'm actually not that bothered about getting it on the 11th. From a pragmatic pov, it means I'll be able to check here to see who the m/m option is so I know whether to roll a dudeHawke or femHawke ;)


If the kink memes are anything to go by a lot of people want to roll them both!

Thank you,*bows* thanks I'll be here till March 8th!  Try the roasted nug!

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lilliful wrote...

Reading through this thread, most people seem to be going along the lines of "Now that Anders is homicidal and drinking blood, I'm not so sure about that guy..." But for me, I'm thinking: WOW! I hope I can have a really evil, manly, and violent gay romance with this man! Hahaha. Though I like Fenris a lot too. I'm beyond pleased with the male romance options due to sufficient levels of dark/bloody/your-life-sucks. I did like many of the romance options from DA:O, but I was sad that none of them were truly dark romances. So, I'm excited no matter who it is! But I still really want to know so that I can get on figuring what kind of Hawke I want to play. I'm thinking male mage so far in the hopes that it's Anders!


Everyone is entitled to his or her own preferences when it comes to doing the dirty deed but for me I just absolutely have to drawn the line at casual cannibalism. As for the other romance prospect let's just say I don't know what's worse becoming a member of the Pedobear association or hooking up with a cannibal so officialy color me not interested in either of them in that way and in Anders possibly not at all.
Having party memberswith issues sure, having psychopathic cannibal lunatics who ought to be kept sedated and straightjacketed in a cell with padded windows in order to safeguard the rest of the population, as casual companions and Li's that's not so great imho.

I guess for my gay mHawke i just have to hope for a cute Npc like Dairren to give me some action or I'll have to make do with flirt lines with Varric or possibly some minor Npc's like Bella in DAO. Else it's gonna be heroic, celibate, stoicism for my gay mage.




I'm going to have to stand up for Anders a bit here - we don't actually *know* he is a cannibal. Eaten flesh within the context of the story may more mean that he bit and clawed while fighting, not actually casually consumed meat for a meal.

I, myself, am going to give Anders and Jennifer (I believe that is the writer's name) the benefit of the doubt and wait to see the game itself before decrying cannibalism and evil Anders... who knows? Maybe the story is about helping redeem him and change Vengeance back to Justice.

I wouldn't leap to conclusions based on a single sentence in a teaser story unless it explicitly stated "He's a freaking flesh munching cannibal!!!! Posted Image"

Based on the FAQs, there are a number of romanceable options both within the party and without - it could be possible that you are able to develop a relationship with an NPC that carries over the years as well if Anders/Fenris don't float your boat. Posted Image That would be kind of awesome too. Posted Image

C

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makenzieshepard wrote...

catabuca wrote...

plumededragop wrote...

You're getting on 11th? Same here. :crying: Sucks Europe being delayed...


I'm actually not that bothered about getting it on the 11th. From a pragmatic pov, it means I'll be able to check here to see who the m/m option is so I know whether to roll a dudeHawke or femHawke ;)


If the kink memes are anything to go by a lot of people want to roll them both!

Thank you,*bows* thanks I'll be here till March 8th!  Try the roasted nug!


I <3 you.

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Athro wrote...

Finis Valorum wrote...

lilliful wrote...

Reading through this thread, most people seem to be going along the lines of "Now that Anders is homicidal and drinking blood, I'm not so sure about that guy..." But for me, I'm thinking: WOW! I hope I can have a really evil, manly, and violent gay romance with this man! Hahaha. Though I like Fenris a lot too. I'm beyond pleased with the male romance options due to sufficient levels of dark/bloody/your-life-sucks. I did like many of the romance options from DA:O, but I was sad that none of them were truly dark romances. So, I'm excited no matter who it is! But I still really want to know so that I can get on figuring what kind of Hawke I want to play. I'm thinking male mage so far in the hopes that it's Anders!


Everyone is entitled to his or her own preferences when it comes to doing the dirty deed but for me I just absolutely have to drawn the line at casual cannibalism. As for the other romance prospect let's just say I don't know what's worse becoming a member of the Pedobear association or hooking up with a cannibal so officialy color me not interested in either of them in that way and in Anders possibly not at all.
Having party memberswith issues sure, having psychopathic cannibal lunatics who ought to be kept sedated and straightjacketed in a cell with padded windows in order to safeguard the rest of the population, as casual companions and Li's that's not so great imho.

I guess for my gay mHawke i just have to hope for a cute Npc like Dairren to give me some action or I'll have to make do with flirt lines with Varric or possibly some minor Npc's like Bella in DAO. Else it's gonna be heroic, celibate, stoicism for my gay mage.




I'm going to have to stand up for Anders a bit here - we don't actually *know* he is a cannibal. Eaten flesh within the context of the story may more mean that he bit and clawed while fighting, not actually casually consumed meat for a meal.

I, myself, am going to give Anders and Jennifer (I believe that is the writer's name) the benefit of the doubt and wait to see the game itself before decrying cannibalism and evil Anders... who knows? Maybe the story is about helping redeem him and change Vengeance back to Justice.

I wouldn't leap to conclusions based on a single sentence in a teaser story unless it explicitly stated "He's a freaking flesh munching cannibal!!!! Posted Image"

Based on the FAQs, there are a number of romanceable options both within the party and without - it could be possible that you are able to develop a relationship with an NPC that carries over the years as well if Anders/Fenris don't float your boat. Posted Image That would be kind of awesome too. Posted Image

C


I'm guessing it might be a bit like Wild Flower, where you can get rid of either the good spirit or evil demon possesing her. I can't remember their names.

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Athro wrote...
I'm going to have to stand up for Anders a bit here - we don't actually *know* he is a cannibal. Eaten flesh within the context of the story may more mean that he bit and clawed while fighting, not actually casually consumed meat for a meal.


Then why not use the word gnawed? Or shreaded? Why use eaten? The word eaten was used after describing the "honeyed wine" taste of blood, the comparison to a slaughterhouse....

It just makes little sense to use the word eaten for flesh that wasn't actually consumed. 

I don't see myself when I change, only the reflection in their eyes and the sound of their screams. My arm lashes out and silverite doesn't so much break as explode in a shower of molten metal. The sword melts, running down the templar's chest, and I follow up with a wave of flames which scorch the flesh from his face, leaving only bone so hot it smolders. The trees are burning… the tent… everything around us.

Rolan is still standing, and I smell the lyrium he drank, which guarded him from the blast. But he's afraid. I see his shield jerk and know he barely resisted the urge to flee, and I have a sudden thought, "What am I?" for I've seen him face both broodmothers and abominations without fear.

And then his sword is level with my chest, and I let it come, because it is only steel and cannot hurt me, for I am not of mortal men. And when it sinks hilt-deep in my flesh with no reaction, that's when he gives up. He turns and runs, and from behind, I tear his head off at the neck, no magic, just me, whatever that is now. His blood splashes into my open mouth and it tastes like honeyed wine and the warmth spreads through me.

He hated me, and he is dead. He feared me, and he is dead. He hunted me, and he is dead.

They will all die. Every templar, every holy sister who stands in the way of our freedom will die in agony and their deaths will be our fuel. We will have justice. We will have vengeance.

And suddenly I'm alone, standing in a burning forest, with the bodies of templars and wardens at my feet. So many, and I didn't even know they were there. Didn't even know I had killed them, but the evidence is all around me. Not the aftermath of a battle as I've known it, but a bloody abattoir of rent limbs and torn and eaten flesh.


Plus this is the person who gave us broodmother. 

I'm pretty sure he actually ate them. :sick:

Modifié par Ryzaki, 15 février 2011 - 10:42 .


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I think it's been said that Anders is initially benevolent and trying to control the spirit inside him, but he progressively becomes dangerous and crazy. I'm not sure why, but it sounds way more riveting to have Garrett and Anders form an intense, but cautious romantic relationship than with a relationship between Garrett and Fenris. Maybe we won't have to kill Anders after all? I'm hoping Vengeance will be able to leave his body for good or with Hawke's love/influence, Anders can be dissuaded from doing murderous and nefarious things.



Either way, I'm not going to complain too much. I'm just thankful we at least still have m/m this time. I just wish we knew who, between Anders and Fenris, is the guy for Garrett. It would suck playing the game and trying to pursue something with one of them and then getting shut down. Hard. Ouch.

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Ryzaki wrote...

Athro wrote...
I'm going to have to stand up for Anders a bit here - we don't actually *know* he is a cannibal. Eaten flesh within the context of the story may more mean that he bit and clawed while fighting, not actually casually consumed meat for a meal.


Then why not use the word gnawed? Or shreaded? Why use eaten? The word eaten was used after describing the "honeyed wine" taste of blood, the comparison to a slaughterhouse....

It just makes little sense to use the word eaten for flesh that wasn't actually consumed. 

I don't see myself when I change, only the reflection in their eyes and the sound of their screams. My arm lashes out and silverite doesn't so much break as explode in a shower of molten metal. The sword melts, running down the templar's chest, and I follow up with a wave of flames which scorch the flesh from his face, leaving only bone so hot it smolders. The trees are burning… the tent… everything around us.

Rolan is still standing, and I smell the lyrium he drank, which guarded him from the blast. But he's afraid. I see his shield jerk and know he barely resisted the urge to flee, and I have a sudden thought, "What am I?" for I've seen him face both broodmothers and abominations without fear.

And then his sword is level with my chest, and I let it come, because it is only steel and cannot hurt me, for I am not of mortal men. And when it sinks hilt-deep in my flesh with no reaction, that's when he gives up. He turns and runs, and from behind, I tear his head off at the neck, no magic, just me, whatever that is now. His blood splashes into my open mouth and it tastes like honeyed wine and the warmth spreads through me.

He hated me, and he is dead. He feared me, and he is dead. He hunted me, and he is dead.

They will all die. Every templar, every holy sister who stands in the way of our freedom will die in agony and their deaths will be our fuel. We will have justice. We will have vengeance.

And suddenly I'm alone, standing in a burning forest, with the bodies of templars and wardens at my feet. So many, and I didn't even know they were there. Didn't even know I had killed them, but the evidence is all around me. Not the aftermath of a battle as I've known it, but a bloody abattoir of rent limbs and torn and eaten flesh.


A slaughterouse of detached limbs and torn and eaten flesh. 




I wait to see the game... I'm not going to jump to conclusions until then. It could be just written for impact and effect - not an actual statement of a cannibalistic trait. The point about the honeyed wine could be about the sweet taste of vengeance - it's potentially metaphorical rather than an actual statement of cannibalism.

As I said - I'm going to wait to see. Either way, I think that makes for a dramatic and heavy story.

C

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Athro wrote...
I'm going to have to stand up for Anders a bit here - we don't actually *know* he is a cannibal. Eaten flesh within the context of the story may more mean that he bit and clawed while fighting, not actually casually consumed meat for a meal.

I, myself, am going to give Anders and Jennifer (I believe that is the writer's name) the benefit of the doubt and wait to see the game itself before decrying cannibalism and evil Anders... who knows? Maybe the story is about helping redeem him and change Vengeance back to Justice.

I wouldn't leap to conclusions based on a single sentence in a teaser story unless it explicitly stated "He's a freaking flesh munching cannibal!!!! Posted Image"

Based on the FAQs, there are a number of romanceable options both within the party and without - it could be possible that you are able to develop a relationship with an NPC that carries over the years as well if Anders/Fenris don't float your boat. Posted Image That would be kind of awesome too. Posted Image


As much as I like Anders, Vengeance did compare the taste of blood to "honeyed wine" :blink:

So i dunno.
I'm going to go with caustiously optimistic toward him while I simultaneously work to get over my apprehension about the tortured gay thing Fenris has going. :?
I suppose if we have to have something inhuman an elf is better than a demon... :pinched:

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Athro wrote...

I wait to see the game... I'm not going to jump to conclusions until then. It could be just written for impact and effect - not an actual statement of a cannibalistic trait. The point about the honeyed wine could be about the sweet taste of vengeance - it's potentially metaphorical rather than an actual statement of cannibalism.

As I said - I'm going to wait to see. Either way, I think that makes for a dramatic and heavy story.

C


You're....very optimistic. I'm inclined to believe that honeyed wine was the blood that flew in his mouth considering he says "it tastes like honeyed wine." 

:sick: 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 15 février 2011 - 10:48 .


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Anders better brush his teeth before he gets it on with Hawke.

Trophonius wrote...

Either way, I'm not going to complain too much. I'm just thankful we at least still have m/m this time. I just wish we knew who, between Anders and Fenris, is the guy for Garrett. It would suck playing the game and trying to pursue something with one of them and then getting shut down. Hard. Ouch.


I agree completely. There's going to be a lot of dissapointed people if only one of them is bisexual, might as well crush people's hopes now rather than leaving them to find out in game.

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@ Athro

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I'm guessing it might be a bit like Wild Flower, where you can get rid of either the good spirit or evil demon possesing her. I can't remember their names.[/quote]

I absolutely wouldn't have wanted Wild Flower as a romance option however just as I can't get into possessed or reanimated cannibal Anders/Justice as a Li. As for including Anders in the regular party I guess that depends on how his cannibalism is handled. If he really needs it to survive then possibly though even then I remember they said he got himself in this mess voluntarily if there's any hint however that it's the Hannibal Lecter kind of cannibalism just for the heck of then absolutely no, I wouldn't want that thing anywhere near me.
If the latter is in fact the case then I think I'll kill him/it myself if afforded the oppertunity to do so should present itself.

Yeah I'm kind of pinning my hopes on some cute Dairren like Npc guy right now even though I fear the NPC Li's if there are indeed any that go beyond mere casual flirting will be exclusively straight only.
I still wish I could have saved Dairren in the original and hooked up with him again after the landsmeet as that would have allowed me to make a gay human noble as well (Zevran having already been taken by my mage) .  

Modifié par Finis Valorum, 15 février 2011 - 10:56 .


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Ryzaki wrote...

Athro wrote...

I wait to see the game... I'm not going to jump to conclusions until then. It could be just written for impact and effect - not an actual statement of a cannibalistic trait. The point about the honeyed wine could be about the sweet taste of vengeance - it's potentially metaphorical rather than an actual statement of cannibalism.

As I said - I'm going to wait to see. Either way, I think that makes for a dramatic and heavy story.

C


You're....very optimistic. I'm inclined to believe that honeyed wine was the blood that flew in his mouth considering he says "it tastes like honeyed wine." 

:sick: 


Guilty as charged Posted Image

I actually don't have an issue if it does end up that as Vengeance he has been known to partake of the other white meat - that just makes for a dramatic struggle for mHawke to help Anders regain control of his own body. Doesnt' mean I condone the activity, but I relish the drama.

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Ryzaki wrote...

You're....very optimistic. I'm inclined to believe that honeyed wine was the blood that flew in his mouth considering he says "it tastes like honeyed wine."



Eh, I wouldn't put too much emphasis an that line. Personally, I took it to mean that the blood had an intoxicating effect, rather than a pleasurable one, but that aside, people chug blood all over Thedas. The Grey Wardens do it, the people in Haven did it, the Antivan Crows do it... No, it's never cast in a positive light, but I wouldn't say that Anders-the-Abomination is the first, or unique because of it.

Of course, if you're disgusted by it, that's totally fair! I just don't think so much importance shoul dbe placed on one line.

ANYWAY, I'm still absolutely torn about who I want to romance with my manHawke. When I think about it, the "danger" of both Fenris and Anders is muted when I compare them to Zevran, who could have killed me a number of times in a number of ways, and had excellent reasons to do so. But what happened in the end? We got engaged, that's what. <3

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KawaiiKatie wrote...
Eh, I wouldn't put too much emphasis an that line. Personally, I took it to mean that the blood had an intoxicating effect, rather than a pleasurable one, but that aside, people chug blood all over Thedas. The Grey Wardens do it, the people in Haven did it, the Antivan Crows do it... No, it's never cast in a positive light, but I wouldn't say that Anders-the-Abomination is the first, or unique because of it.

Of course, if you're disgusted by it, that's totally fair! I just don't think so much importance shoul dbe placed on one line.

ANYWAY, I'm still absolutely torn about who I want to romance with my manHawke. When I think about it, the "danger" of both Fenris and Anders is muted when I compare them to Zevran, who could have killed me a number of times in a number of ways, and had excellent reasons to do so. But what happened in the end? We got engaged, that's what. <3


...The GW recruits react with disgust to drinking the blood though it's a necessity. They don't want to do it but they'll do as they must to stop the darkspawn. There was no necessity with what Anders did. (Wynne didn't need to eat people). Not to mention there's a vast differece in killing darkspawn then taking their blood and making it in a potion vs drinking it from a fresh corpse. Haven were a bunch of psychos and the Crows...were also pretty "uh..." at times. And sure people chug blood all over Thedas. That doesn't make it any less nasty. 

Though I never said he was unique in drinking blood. I don't hear about others eating human flesh so he s pretty unique in that. It's not the one line though. It's the whole thing put together. Had it just been the blood tasting good I would've been pretty "okay...he's a vampire now. Let's hope he doesn't sparkle." but the eaten limbs...:sick: 

And I slit Zev's throat after he ambushes me. I have a feeling I'm gonna do the same to Anders when he goes berserk. 

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KawaiiKatie wrote...

ANYWAY, I'm still absolutely torn about who I want to romance with my manHawke. When I think about it, the "danger" of both Fenris and Anders is muted when I compare them to Zevran, who could have killed me a number of times in a number of ways, and had excellent reasons to do so. But what happened in the end? We got engaged, that's what. <3


Ah, yes, Zevran. My male arcane warrior Amell loved him. Zevran gave him his word that he would stay with him 'til the ends of the Earth, gave him his earring, and more or less, confirmed his love for him. Until the Epilogue, that is, when it said Zevran remained with the "woman" he loved. I'm not sure if it's been fixed on the console version, but to say the least, my Amell was crushed.

....let's hope there's no awkward use of pronouns/nouns during the epilogues this time. It made me sad for my Warden. :(

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Well...Anders is possessed. I don't think Anders himself is actually like, "****, that dudes leg looks tasty! I'm gonna dismember him then keep it in my tent for midnight snackage." In that short story he seemed pretty sickened by what had occured, enough to remove himself from the Grey Wardens.

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Trophonius wrote...

Ah, yes, Zevran. My male arcane warrior Amell loved him. Zevran gave him his word that he would stay with him 'til the ends of the Earth, gave him his earring, and more or less, confirmed his love for him. Until the Epilogue, that is, when it said Zevran remained with the "woman" he loved. I'm not sure if it's been fixed on the console version, but to say the least, my Amell was crushed.

....let's hope there's no awkward use of pronouns/nouns during the epilogues this time. It made me sad for my Warden. :(



I think it was fixed for the PC... or did I get a mod that fixed that one? I honestly don't remember!

I'm sure they'll get it right this time. Because, yes, I agree with you, I was crushed. I know that it was just the silly epilogue, and it doesn't invalidate the beautiful relationship Zevran and I had, but it just felt so wrong to be called "the woman he loved" after all the conversations Zevran and my male Warden had. We were most definitely a same-sex couple. Over and over again, the fact that we were both men came up--even when Zevran was offering his ring as a proposal!

Zevran: Marry me?
Warden: But we're both men.
Zevran: I. Don't. Care.
Warden: ........take me now.

They'll get it right for DA2. Have faith! <3

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Also: Anders corrupted one of the few people I could stand in Awakenings. I want to kick him in the face (Anders).

Progressive_Stupidity1 wrote...

Well...Anders is possessed. I don't think Anders himself is actually like, "****, that dudes leg looks tasty! I'm gonna dismember him then keep it in my tent for midnight snackage." In that short story he seemed pretty sickened by what had occured, enough to remove himself from the Grey Wardens.


If he hadn't done that they would've killed him regardless. 

And no I know he didn't do it knowingly. Doesn't make it any less gross nor does it make him any less dangerous. 

He needs to be put down. (Then again that's probably just my destroy everything that is an abomination stance). 

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@ Ryzaki,



If we're talking about people from Awakenings, before all this info came out I was sort of hoping we'd get a chance to explore Nate in depth in DA2.



But if Anders has become the kind of cannibal I think he is then he's crossed the moral event Horizon for me and the only "redemption" I can envision for him in game lies in him being delivered into the hands of the Maker by way of my sword.

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Ryzaki wrote...
(Wynne didn't need to eat people).

Or so we're lead to believe.... :whistle:

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Jimmy Fury wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
(Wynne didn't need to eat people).

Or so we're lead to believe.... :whistle:


She eats children for their youthful energy. Thats how she's still alive.

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Jimmy Fury wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
(Wynne didn't need to eat people).

Or so we're lead to believe.... :whistle:


:lol:  

Finis Valorum wrote...

@ Ryzaki,

If we're talking about people from Awakenings, before all this info came out I was sort of hoping we'd get a chance to explore Nate in depth in DA2.

But if Anders has become the kind of cannibal I think he is then he's crossed the moral event Horizon for me and the only "redemption" I can envision for him in game lies in him being delivered into the hands of the Maker by way of my sword.


Really I was hoping for Nate too. Anders struck me as shallow and annoying in DAA. 

Well while I think he's a cannibal I'm pretty sure its not concious on his part (if it is urgh that'll be my MEH) but I'll still kill him. He's very dangerous. Chantry or no chantry. 

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Finis Valorum wrote...

lilliful wrote...

Reading through this thread, most people seem to be going along the lines of "Now that Anders is homicidal and drinking blood, I'm not so sure about that guy..." But for me, I'm thinking: WOW! I hope I can have a really evil, manly, and violent gay romance with this man! Hahaha. Though I like Fenris a lot too. I'm beyond pleased with the male romance options due to sufficient levels of dark/bloody/your-life-sucks. I did like many of the romance options from DA:O, but I was sad that none of them were truly dark romances. So, I'm excited no matter who it is! But I still really want to know so that I can get on figuring what kind of Hawke I want to play. I'm thinking male mage so far in the hopes that it's Anders!


Everyone is entitled to his or her own preferences when it comes to doing the dirty deed but for me I just absolutely have to drawn the line at casual cannibalism. As for the other romance prospect let's just say I don't know what's worse becoming a member of the Pedobear association or hooking up with a cannibal so officialy color me not interested in either of them in that way and in Anders possibly not at all.
Having party memberswith issues sure, having psychopathic cannibal lunatics who ought to be kept sedated and straightjacketed in a cell with padded windows in order to safeguard the rest of the population, as casual companions and Li's that's not so great imho.

I guess for my gay mHawke i just have to hope for a cute Npc like Dairren to give me some action or I'll have to make do with flirt lines with Varric or possibly some minor Npc's like Bella in DAO. Else it's gonna be heroic, celibate, stoicism for my gay mage.


I'm not going to lie, that sounds pretty good to me. Then again, I slash Farfarello (Weiss Kreuz), whom exactly fits that line. Unfortunately for me, I'm pretty sure Anders won't be like that. I'm betting that, in actual gameplay, he'll be remarkably unfrightening and, I shudder to think it, vulnerable and emo.

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Ryzaki wrote...

Jimmy Fury wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
(Wynne didn't need to eat people).

Or so we're lead to believe.... :whistle:


:lol:  

Finis Valorum wrote...

@ Ryzaki,

If we're talking about people from Awakenings, before all this info came out I was sort of hoping we'd get a chance to explore Nate in depth in DA2.

But if Anders has become the kind of cannibal I think he is then he's crossed the moral event Horizon for me and the only "redemption" I can envision for him in game lies in him being delivered into the hands of the Maker by way of my sword.


Really I was hoping for Nate too. Anders struck me as shallow and annoying in DAA. 

Well while I think he's a cannibal I'm pretty sure its not concious on his part (if it is urgh that'll be my MEH) but I'll still kill him. He's very dangerous. Chantry or no chantry. 



I'd like to think if a demon took control of my body and made me dismember and eat a bunch of people I'd get a little empathy. Or if Vodka took control of my body and made me verbally abuse 60% of a house party's attendants...

I never really got the Nathaniel crushiness.  Nor Anders, to be fair. I just thought he was a fairly humorous Alistair 2.0.