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[lilliful]

Ryzaki wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Y'all have fun with your "pessimism." I'm gonna sit here, going on the record as saying "they're all bi." If I'm wrong, I can accept defeat gracefully. If I'm right, I am going to make a thread titled "I Told You So." So, you'll all know what that means if you see it. I'm already planning my gloat list.

This. *joins ishmaeltheforsaken in the happy bubble* 

Someone will take great delight in my tears when it's popped.  

You making that thread will be the happiest day of my life. Also, make room in the bubble for me </slowpoke>. I can't tell you how many times I'm sitting at work thinking... "Anders... but Fenris... but Anders... but Fenris... I CAN'T DECIDE I DON'T EVEN KNOW AUGH"

[Finis Valorum]

Akrim_Drak wrote...

Had a semi-related question though. With the whole possessed Anders thing couldn't you just do what they did with Conner in DA:O? (I'm just getting around to Awakening, bought it on release but gave up because of all the bugs) If it's off-topic can someone PM me? I just think trying to help him cope with what's going on would be super emotionally powerful and I'd love to see that. Here's to hoping all the Anders and Fenris fans get what they want.

Theoretically, maybe, but I seem to remember from origins that it required either a sizable quantity of lyrium and a group of mages from the circle (even if we could get the lyrium I don't think that Merrill or Bethany alone would qualify as a large enough group to perform said ritual) or knowledge of a specific blood magic ritual that requires a human sacrifice (again we don't know if Hawke, Bethany or Merrill can even become blood mages and even if they can there's no guarantee they'd have knowledge of that specific spell like Jowan did).
Finally with the Kirkwall Circle seemingly held in a vice grip by its templars I don't think we should count on them for help, at least not until near the very end of the game, but I'm not planning on lugging around a lunatic for that long.

Besides even if we could unpossess Anders I'm not sure I would even want to risk anything to attempt it. I'm certainly not prepared to make a human sacrifice on his behalf, since the Fool seems to have willingly, and with full knowledge of the potential ramifications of such and action, agreed to let the demon possess him. 
Unlike Connor he cannot feign ignorance and in my mind he's fully culpable for anything he might have done as an abomination.

Modifié par Finis Valorum, 17 février 2011 - 06:23 .

[SnowHeart1]

Finis Valorum wrote...

...Besides even if we could unpossess Anders I'm not sure I would even want to risk anything to attempt it. I'm certainly not prepared to make a human sacrifice on his behalf, since the Fool seems to have willingly, and with full knowledge of the potential ramifications of such and action, agreed to let the demon possess him. 

Erm, not to nitpick, but this is kind of important. He didn't let a demon possess him. He let a spirit possess him; a spirit, as in the same kind of entity that had "possessed" Wynne, not the kind that had possessed Conner. What Justice turned into after Anders let him in is part of the story. It's on Anders' character page if you want to read it. If anything, Anders did something to Justice, not the other way around.

[elirian_19]

dgcatanisiri wrote...

HopHazzard wrote...

I think people are making a bigger deal out the cannibal thing than we're meant to. At any rate regardless of his status as m/m love interest, I really hope a big part of Anders' storyline involves getting him unpossessed.

Much agreed. I mean, geez, it's a line about the taste of blood that splashes into his mouth, not 'hm, I like that. Okay, new favorite drink!' If anything, I read it as savoring the kill, something that I'm sure a spirit of Vengeance would do. It by absolutely no means makes him a 'cannibal.'

And yes, finding a way to free him of Vengeance and return it to Justice would make for a good storyline.

It's not the blood part it's this line that's got so many people going eeewww:

Chris Priestly wrote...

And suddenly I'm alone, standing in a burning forest, with the bodies of templars and wardens at my feet. So many, and I didn't even know they were there. Didn't even know I had killed them, but the evidence is all around me. Not the aftermath of a battle as I've known it, but a bloody abattoir of rent limbs and torn and eaten flesh.

Modifié par elirian_19, 17 février 2011 - 06:43 .

[lilliful]

Chris Priestly wrote...

And suddenly I'm alone, standing in a burning forest, with the bodies of templars and wardens at my feet. So many, and I didn't even know they were there. Didn't even know I had killed them, but the evidence is all around me. Not the aftermath of a battle as I've known it, but a bloody abattoir of rent limbs and torn and eaten flesh.

While I could definitely see it as reasonable to take this literally, I just took it as a figure of speech alla "the rain had eaten away at the stone statue." Much like who is the m/m romance option, I think that the likelihood of actual flesh having been consumed is 50/50 and not confirmed by writers yet, haha.

[elirian_19]

lilliful wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

And suddenly I'm alone, standing in a burning forest, with the bodies of templars and wardens at my feet. So many, and I didn't even know they were there. Didn't even know I had killed them, but the evidence is all around me. Not the aftermath of a battle as I've known it, but a bloody abattoir of rent limbs and torn and eaten flesh.

While I could definitely see it as reasonable to take this literally, I just took it as a figure of speech alla "the rain had eaten away at the stone statue." Much like who is the m/m romance option, I think that the likelihood of actual flesh having been consumed is 50/50 and not confirmed by writers yet, haha.

I'm pretty sure we shouldn't jump to conclusions, but the wording is a little strange. And this was written by the woman who brought us Hespith and the Broodmothers which, in the end, makes things a little worse. But we'll see. 

At least one of my male Hawkes will be romancing one of them regardless of what happened in the short stories. While I'm hoping it's Fenris, if it turns out to be Anders then that's fine.

[The Lesser Evil]

elirian_19 wrote...

At least one of my male Hawkes will be romancing one of them regardless of what happened in the short stories. While I'm hoping it's Fenris, if it turns out to be Anders then that's fine.

Same here. If he starts mentioning how he tore off someone's face and drank their blood, though, Hawke will immediately turn either straight or celibate. There's a really, really thick line between kinky and cannibalism, and the cannibalism side is so on the list of 'Things to Avoid at all Costs'.

[elirian_19]

The Lesser Evil wrote...

elirian_19 wrote...

At least one of my male Hawkes will be romancing one of them regardless of what happened in the short stories. While I'm hoping it's Fenris, if it turns out to be Anders then that's fine.

Same here. If he starts mentioning how he tore off someone's face and drank their blood, though, Hawke will immediately turn either straight or celibate. There's a really, really thick line between kinky and cannibalism, and the cannibalism side is so on the list of 'Things to Avoid at all Costs'.

Safe word... that's all I'm saying.

EDIT: Just thought of this...

Hawke: Okay Anders… um, yeah, while it was kinky at first… ouch… Anders… argh… NUG! NUUUUG! ANDRASTE'S HOLY KNICKERS, NUG!
Anders/Vengeance: Nomnomnom.
Varric: And so the Champion met his cruel and bitter end in the most unusual of ways. But hey, how many champions' graves can say, "Death by being consumed by one's lover"? And, at least this way, Anders will always have a part of Hawke… in him. Get it? Get it?
Cassandra: *brain explodes*

Modifié par elirian_19, 17 février 2011 - 08:12 .

[Minxie]

lilliful wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

And suddenly I'm alone, standing in a burning forest, with the bodies of templars and wardens at my feet. So many, and I didn't even know they were there. Didn't even know I had killed them, but the evidence is all around me. Not the aftermath of a battle as I've known it, but a bloody abattoir of rent limbs and torn and eaten flesh.

While I could definitely see it as reasonable to take this literally, I just took it as a figure of speech alla "the rain had eaten away at the stone statue." Much like who is the m/m romance option, I think that the likelihood of actual flesh having been consumed is 50/50 and not confirmed by writers yet, haha.

That is what I keep saying. But no, no, everyone's all "Anders = cannibal, confirmed." 

I'm still hoping Ms. Hepler comes by to clarify this. :happy:

[elirian_19]

Minxie18 wrote...

lilliful wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

And suddenly I'm alone, standing in a burning forest, with the bodies of templars and wardens at my feet. So many, and I didn't even know they were there. Didn't even know I had killed them, but the evidence is all around me. Not the aftermath of a battle as I've known it, but a bloody abattoir of rent limbs and torn and eaten flesh.

While I could definitely see it as reasonable to take this literally, I just took it as a figure of speech alla "the rain had eaten away at the stone statue." Much like who is the m/m romance option, I think that the likelihood of actual flesh having been consumed is 50/50 and not confirmed by writers yet, haha.

That is what I keep saying. But no, no, everyone's all "Anders = cannibal, confirmed." 

I'm still hoping Ms. Hepler comes by to clarify this. :happy:

You mean just like everyone's, "Fenris = epic jerkweed, confirmed"

I guess it's because we've got so little to speculate about that we focus on one thing and just run with it. Still, while I poke and make fun, I'm keeping an open mind. Or trying to, at least.

[Minxie]

^I don't necessarily think Fenris is a confirmed jerk, though. There's some evidence pointing to it but we really can't know until we meet him. (I think the only thing really 'confirmed' about Fenris is that he's confident and has a high opinion of his battle prowess. Whether that'll translate to jerk-behavior remains to be seen... but it would be awesome )

[lilliful]

elirian_19 wrote...
You mean just like everyone's, "Fenris = epic jerkweed, confirmed"

I guess it's because we've got so little to speculate about that we focus on one thing and just run with it. Still, while I poke and make fun, I'm keeping an open mind. Or trying to, at least.

Yeah, I've been noticing this more and more, I guess because one of the devs said they were surprised by how much a jackass one of the characters he thought he was going to like turned out to be, and people just assumed Fen? But frankly, we've only seen the first meeting scenes and almost half the characters we recruited in DA:O were an ass before they got to know us.

[elirian_19]

Minxie18 wrote...

^I don't necessarily think Fenris is a confirmed jerk, though. There's some evidence pointing to it but we really can't know until we meet him. (I think the only thing really 'confirmed' about Fenris is that he's confident and has a high opinion of his battle prowess. Whether that'll translate to jerk-behavior remains to be seen... but it would be awesome )

Haha, no, I didn't mean you specifically. I'm just saying people are jumping to conclusions all around.

Fenris does have a huge amount of confidence, no arguing there. We'll see which way that confidence swings soon enough. I'm happy either way. I'd like him to be Valen-like with a touch of Bishop instead of Bishop-like with a touch of Valen, though.

Modifié par elirian_19, 17 février 2011 - 07:31 .

[Finis Valorum]

SnowHeart1 wrote...

Finis Valorum wrote...

...Besides even if we could unpossess Anders I'm not sure I would even want to risk anything to attempt it. I'm certainly not prepared to make a human sacrifice on his behalf, since the Fool seems to have willingly, and with full knowledge of the potential ramifications of such and action, agreed to let the demon possess him. 

Erm, not to nitpick, but this is kind of important. He didn't let a demon possess him. He let a spirit possess him; a spirit, as in the same kind of entity that had "possessed" Wynne, not the kind that had possessed Conner. What Justice turned into after Anders let him in is part of the story. It's on Anders' character page if you want to read it. If anything, Anders did something to Justice, not the other way around.

There's apparently thin line between "spirit" and "demon" and Anders knows this
As taken from the Dragon Age wiki,


Anders: Why do spirits seek out
mages? I've always wondered.

Justice: You speak of demons. I
am not a demon.

Anders: Aren't demons simply
spirits with unique and sparkling personalities?

Justice: They have been
perverted by their desires.


Anders: Are you saying that you
could become a demon, Justice?


Justice: I said no such thing.

Anders: You said that demons
were spirits perverted by their desires.

Justice: I have no such desires.

Anders: You must have some
desires...

Justice: I have none! Desist
your questions!


I rest my case. He knew the risks yet choose to do it anyway.
My Hawke, male or female, does not consider it his or her duty to safe someone from their own vendetta driven stupidy.

[RosaAquafire]

I don't see the big deal about Anders' cannibalism, anyways. It's pretty clear it was a one-time thing brought on by insane bloodlust and the fact that he's a literal abomination, not something he routinely does for ****s and giggles on a Friday night. Abominations are hardcore, their demonic sides make them do some truly animalistic things. That's all this means. It's not like Anders have people barbeques with a "Kiss The Cook" apron on.

If anyone's read the Farseer books by Robin Hobb, that's what it reminded me of. When Fitz is overly linked with his wolf and tears the throats out of his enemies with his teeth, and when he comes back to himself he's physcially sick. I never held that against Fitz, I thought it was interesting. And I don't hold it against Anders, either. I think it's interesting here, too

[HopHazzard]

Minxie18 wrote...

lilliful wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

And suddenly I'm alone, standing in a burning forest, with the bodies of templars and wardens at my feet. So many, and I didn't even know they were there. Didn't even know I had killed them, but the evidence is all around me. Not the aftermath of a battle as I've known it, but a bloody abattoir of rent limbs and torn and eaten flesh.

While I could definitely see it as reasonable to take this literally, I just took it as a figure of speech alla "the rain had eaten away at the stone statue." Much like who is the m/m romance option, I think that the likelihood of actual flesh having been consumed is 50/50 and not confirmed by writers yet, haha.

That is what I keep saying. But no, no, everyone's all "Anders = cannibal, confirmed." 

I'm still hoping Ms. Hepler comes by to clarify this. :happy:

I'd like some clarification as well, because some of the things I've seen people say... it just makes no sense. Even if we take the words literally there's no implication that this is anything more than an isolated incident. To me, it read as the moment when Anders realized the severity of his situation and just how hard he would need to work to keep Justice/Vengance under control. But I've seen people talking about it like this is something he does all the time now, and have even seen people speculating that Anders needs to consume human flesh to survive. Again I say, people are reading way too much into it.

[blauregen]

My mage helped the werewolves in DA:O. They were eating people too. Teaching Anders anger management, so Justice can transform again from a vengeance demon to a spirit of snarky remarks would be all in a days work for my typical first character.

[Ryzaki]

blauregen wrote...

My mage helped the werewolves in DA:O. They were eating people too. Teaching Anders anger management, so Justice can transform again from a vengeance demon to a spirit of snarky remarks would be all in a days work for my typical first character.

True. 

But the fact that Anders corrputed Justice is what makes me mad at him. Justice was one of my favs. 

[HopHazzard]

Ryzaki wrote...

blauregen wrote...

My mage helped the werewolves in DA:O. They were eating people too. Teaching Anders anger management, so Justice can transform again from a vengeance demon to a spirit of snarky remarks would be all in a days work for my typical first character.

True. 

But the fact that Anders corrputed Justice is what makes me mad at him. Justice was one of my favs. 

Justice annoyed me. He bugs the recruit quest for the last companion if you don't do Blackmarsh last and he disapproved of me more than Morrigan did.

[lilliful]

Ryzaki wrote...

blauregen wrote...

My mage helped the werewolves in DA:O. They were eating people too. Teaching Anders anger management, so Justice can transform again from a vengeance demon to a spirit of snarky remarks would be all in a days work for my typical first character.

True. 

But the fact that Anders corrputed Justice is what makes me mad at him. Justice was one of my favs. 

I wouldn't say Anders was an active agent in corrupting Justice though... in fact I'd say it was Justice who didn't know his limits. I saw it as a kind of freak accident. I mean, IMHO, Anders was just understandably pissed, and Justice wasn't all "hey dude, if we're gonna do this you better get your emotions under control" he was all "let's kill things, FOR GREAT JUSTICE." But yeah, it sucks when you like a character and they don't come back the same. I think Anders fans are just as uncomfortable as Justice fans on this one... I'm not even sure what was going through the heads of BioWare. "HMM, both these characters are really popular... but we're bringing back so many repeats already. Maybe if we just... combined a few... yeah... that sounds good, right guys? Right?"

[Lokatress]

I just read the short story about Anders and I think I now find him more attractive in terms of romancing him. I luv this major twist on Anders/Vengeance.



I think in this case Anders cannibalism was more of "Revenge tastes sweet like honey" kind

[Blue_Shayde]

lilliful wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

blauregen wrote...

My mage helped the werewolves in DA:O. They were eating people too. Teaching Anders anger management, so Justice can transform again from a vengeance demon to a spirit of snarky remarks would be all in a days work for my typical first character.

True. 

But the fact that Anders corrputed Justice is what makes me mad at him. Justice was one of my favs. 

I wouldn't say Anders was an active agent in corrupting Justice though... in fact I'd say it was Justice who didn't know his limits. I saw it as a kind of freak accident. I mean, IMHO, Anders was just understandably pissed, and Justice wasn't all "hey dude, if we're gonna do this you better get your emotions under control" he was all "let's kill things, FOR GREAT JUSTICE." But yeah, it sucks when you like a character and they don't come back the same. I think Anders fans are just as uncomfortable as Justice fans on this one... I'm not even sure what was going through the heads of BioWare. "HMM, both these characters are really popular... but we're bringing back so many repeats already. Maybe if we just... combined a few... yeah... that sounds good, right guys? Right?"

xD ^ that was great. combine a few.

Dev 1: Hmm...well...Anders already has the alistair like wit going for him. Let's through in a dash of Justice.
Dev 2: *accidently dumps the whole seasoning bottle into the pot* 
Dev 1: Nooooooooooo!!! What have you done! I said a dash! Dash! Oh god, its boiling over now. Quick, just toss it into the romance box and maybe no one will notice!
Dev 3: Guys! Someone put Zevran in with the ME Jack box. We've got a problem.
Dev 1: Into the romance box. Just do it. Crap! The corporates coming! 
Dev 4: Wee! Boobies! *running around with Isabela in hand*
Dev 1: *grabs her away from dev 4, shoves into the romance box, then hides it under a few stacks of concept art, failing to notice a potion of bi that was knocked over and leaking onto the pages* Ok. We're safe. No one speak of this again. <_<

Modifié par Blue_Shayde, 17 février 2011 - 10:28 .

[Klace]

How many boys are in this thread like me, and not girls wanting to fulfill their yaoi dreams. D:
If so, message me. Haha jk.

Modifié par Klace, 17 février 2011 - 10:29 .

[Collider]

I've noticed an increased number of women in this thread as of late.

[Blue_Shayde]

why does it matter? this is an m/m thread, for discussing man on man lovin. Doesn't say boys only.