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[Wynne]

umwhatyousay wrote...


Fenris because, as always, he's very ~*pretty*~ and I don't really see androgyny.

Um, let's put this in perspective here.

~*Pretty*~ male elf: 

Manly male elf with pretty hair: 

I hope this clears things up. As an aside, he might be skinny, but underestimating Fenris's strength is the last thing a person should do. He would make a fine bi option.

catabuca wrote...

Finis Valorum wrote...
Sebastian (the greatest ****-tease in the game apparently, a walking romance novel you can't romance).

Oh god, this so much [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/angry.png[/smilie]

Prince: check.
Smokin' hot accent: check.
classic princely good looks: check.
Angst-filled past he must avenge: check.
Unavailable: check.

*spits on the Maker*

I wouldn't lose that hope entirely. There may not be a traditional romance, but if we're still going by his writer's comment of "Flirt with him and see where it goes" may mean the same thing I'm hoping for Aveline: that you can reach a subtle romantic understanding and sort of walk off into the sunset with him.

Jennifer Hepler did talk in videos about how this time, the writers felt they had the freedom to explore more nuances when it comes to romance. I'm still tentatively hopeful that means good things.

[Jimmy Fury]

Yeah see.... aside from the contrast level they look pretty much the same to me

[FenrisDeSolar]

Jimmy Fury wrote...

FenrisDeSolar wrote...

Zevran's actual line is something like, "Do I prefer women? Yes, I believe I do, but..."

I can't remember it fully, but I believe that was in reference to having sex with them. Not being in a relationship with them... I reckon in that aspect he should be pretty neutral in preference.

That doesn't actually make it much better...

Why not? He refers to the physique, and purely that, of women.

Jimmy Fury wrote...
For a one-off conquest it's hot yeah. 

A relationship is a whole different story though. You don't have to be gay or bi to know what it's like on a basic level. Just imagine your boyfriend telling you he'd rather be having sex with someone else. It would suck.

Now imagine he told you he would rather have sex with anyone else who happens to have some feature you don't have and that sex with you will never be as good as it would with them. 

That's what it's like.

Zevran tells you he prefers women before you enter a romance with him, doesn't he? And during the time he spends with you, I'm sure he never mentions wanting to sleep with someone else, or to prefer the other gender more. If you ask him about his sexual escapades too, which again, I think you can only do pre-romance, he tells you of both men and women he's slept with.

Besides, a lot of bisexuals lean more toward one gender or the other, not for their gender but for their bodies.


I'm not trying to force you to like Zevran, but I think you should cut his character some slack. He's a very intense romance, with his very own brand of love, and he does love the Warden if you do it right.

[Saibh]

I'm Jimmy here. What sort of person tells someone they're interested in that they prefer the opposite gender? "Hey, you're hot, but if I saw a chick, damn, she'd be hotter". Especially with someone as salacious as Zevran.



I don't hate him for it, but it was unnecessary. It's like one of those things writers feel they have to add without realizing we really don't mind if he never tells us. Like...Carth Syndrome. Really. Don't mind if my LI has never had a wife before. I don't mind if he's dated, either, but never gotten married.

[AndreaDraco]

Jimmy Fury wrote...

And your opinion is just as valid as mine.

Absolutely I wasn't trying to say that your opinion isn't valid. At all.

Jimmy Fury wrote...

A relationship is a whole different
story though. You don't have to be gay or bi to know what it's like on a
basic level. Just imagine your boyfriend telling you he'd rather be
having sex with someone else. It would suck.

Now imagine he told you he would rather have sex with anyone else who happens to have some feature you don't have and that sex with you will never be as good as it would with them.

Well, I may be mistaken, but I think that Zev states his preference for women way before he's fully committed to the Warden. And the fact that, if he's still friendly, it tells you about how he felt about Taliesin is just another (he never tells you this if he's already in a romance) reinforces the fact that, once in a relationship, he stops talking about people

[Saibh]

AndreaDraco wrote...

Well, I may be mistaken, but I think that Zev states his preference for women way before he's fully committed to the Warden. And the fact that, if he's still friendly, it tells you about how he felt about Taliesin is just another (he never tells you this if he's already in a romance) reinforces the fact that, once in a relationship, he stops talking about people

I'll check the toolset, but you can ask him at any time, not just during the beginning or before the relationship.

ETA: Alright, the conditions are: IF: APP_ZEVRAN_IS_CARE and IF (NOT): APP_ZEVRAN_REFUSES_TO_MAKE_LOVE and IF: PC is male. So you can ask him at any time after an approval of 51 or higher and he's in a romance.

Modifié par Saibh, 18 février 2011 - 05:38 .

[FieryDove]

Wynne wrote...

 I wouldn't lose that hope entirely. There may not be a traditional romance, but if we're still going by his writer's comment of "Flirt with him and see where it goes" may mean the same thing I'm hoping for Aveline: that you can reach a subtle romantic understanding and sort of walk off into the sunset with him.

Jennifer Hepler did talk in videos about how this time, the writers felt they had the freedom to explore more nuances when it comes to romance. I'm still tentatively hopeful that means good things.

I don't want subtle.

I think he is a romance option dlc or not for *everyone*. There...I said it.

I mean...how many coffee pots can they have? Last I heard was the one was overflowing with tears.

[The Lesser Evil]

umwhatyousay wrote...

"Zevran! You're making me feel like I'm exploiting a victim of child abuse when I get with you. Why you gotta be like this?"

Huh, I never really looked at it that way. That puts it in a whole different light. Like taking advantage of a victim of child abuse who'd really like it better if you had lady bits.

[FenrisDeSolar]

Saibh wrote...

I'll check the toolset, but you can ask him at any time, not just during the beginning or before the relationship.

ETA: Alright, the conditions are: IF: APP_ZEVRAN_IS_CARE and IF (NOT): APP_ZEVRAN_REFUSES_TO_MAKE_LOVE and IF: PC is male. So you can ask him at any time after an approval of 51 or higher and he's in a romance.

...what?

Can you translate that for the less technologically literate? :3

[AndreaDraco]

Saibh wrote...

ETA: Alright, the conditions are: IF: APP_ZEVRAN_IS_CARE and IF (NOT): APP_ZEVRAN_REFUSES_TO_MAKE_LOVE and IF: PC is male. So you can ask him at any time after an approval of 51 or higher and he's in a romance.

Doesn't this mean, though, that he won't make this speech if already refused to go the tent with the Warden, thus if is already in love? I don't really understand all this hi-tech thing

[Lokatress]

FieryDove wrote...

Wynne wrote...

 I wouldn't lose that hope entirely. There may not be a traditional romance, but if we're still going by his writer's comment of "Flirt with him and see where it goes" may mean the same thing I'm hoping for Aveline: that you can reach a subtle romantic understanding and sort of walk off into the sunset with him.

Jennifer Hepler did talk in videos about how this time, the writers felt they had the freedom to explore more nuances when it comes to romance. I'm still tentatively hopeful that means good things.

I don't want subtle.

I think he is a romance option dlc or not for *everyone*. There...I said it.

I mean...how many coffee pots can they have? Last I heard was the one was overflowing with tears.

But I think they have to get refills at some point... game developers need lots of coffee, I imagine....
It's full romance or nothing att all... I just have to steel myself for rejection when it happens:crying:

Then I take comfort from which ever I can get because both other options sound good to me at this point

[Jimmy Fury]

Saibh wrote...

I'm Jimmy here. What sort of person tells someone they're interested in that they prefer the opposite gender? "Hey, you're hot, but if I saw a chick, damn, she'd be hotter". Especially with someone as salacious as Zevran.

I don't hate him for it, but it was unnecessary. It's like one of those things writers feel they have to add without realizing we really don't mind if he never tells us. Like...Carth Syndrome. Really. Don't mind if my LI has never had a wife before. I don't mind if he's dated, either, but never gotten married.

I don't hate Zevran. I quite like him as a companion I just don't like romancing him.

But then maybe the RL experience ruins it for me. I broke up with a real guy over the same thing so I'm really not going to bother with a fictional one.

Anyway, this all applies to the topic of DA2 because I really hope they don't do the same thing again. I don't care who the m/m romance is as long as he doesn't start off telling Hawke he would much rather be banging his sister <_<

[Biotic_Warlock]

Wynne wrote...

umwhatyousay wrote...


Fenris because, as always, he's very ~*pretty*~ and I don't really see androgyny.

Um, let's put this in perspective here.

~*Pretty*~ male elf: 

Manly male elf with pretty hair:  [insert image]

I hope this clears things up. As an aside, he might be skinny, but underestimating Fenris's strength is the last thing a person should do. He would make a fine bi option.

Id romance the unsnipped picture anytime.
He looks so nice. *stares at laptop*

Modifié par Biotic_Warlock, 18 février 2011 - 06:11 .

[SnowHeart1]

Biotic_Warlock wrote...

Id romance the unsnipped picture anytime.
He looks so nice. *stares at laptop* [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/love.png[/smilie]

Ditto, though the point remains that not everyone likes "pretty". Personally, I don't think Fenris is pretty, however perfectly sexy his hair might be. But, as the saying goes and as this thread demonstrates, beauty is in the eye of the beholder (although beholders are, themselves, universally ugly). :innocent:

Modifié par SnowHeart1, 18 février 2011 - 06:21 .

[Saibh]

AndreaDraco wrote...

Doesn't this mean, though, that he won't make this speech if already refused to go the tent with the Warden, thus if is already in love? I don't really understand all this hi-tech thing

For those wondering what that says, it means the peremeters are: Zevran must be in Care (51) or more. Care is only when you are in a romance. You must be male (that's because this particular line of questioning is for men, only--there's a female version). And he can't be in that time when he shuns you because he's afraid of love, or this conversation won't appear. Afterwards, it will show up.

Modifié par Saibh, 18 février 2011 - 06:29 .

[Finis Valorum]

Biotic_Warlock wrote...

beholder (although beholders are, themselves, universally ugly). :innocent:

Yet I'd almost consider romancing one over Anders so long as it means I don't have to play therapist.

As for the elves for me it's not the face or the body but the combination of them, Fenris will always look like a teenager to me. The fact that he also looks like someone's yaoi fantasy is in light of the former of secondary importance at best but it certainly doesn't  help to create any romantic attraction for me. 

[SnowHeart1]

Finis Valorum wrote...

Yet I'd almost consider romancing one over Anders so long as it means I don't have to play therapist.

Yeah... I have no idea how that's going to work. Seriously; I worry about anyone who actively wants to try to romance someone with the equivalent of a dual personality disorder. I guess it's one way to explore having a three-way relationship, but...

Hawke: Okay, so we're going with the beige rug and maroon leather chairs.
Vengence: What!?  No!  I never agreed to that! 
Hawke (confused): Yes you did, when we were at the store yesterday!
Vengence: What are you talking about? We never went....
Anders: Huh? Where are we? Oh, wow, honey... you did get the beige rug! Thank you!

As for the elves for me it's not the face or the body but the combination of them, Fenris will always look like a teenager to me.

And you're not the only one and I totally respect it. I don't see that, though I would agree (as with "elves") he does look youthful, but not so different from my 27-year old cousin (minus the facial hair).

[AndreaDraco]

Saibh wrote...
For those wondering what that says, it means the peremeters are: Zevran must be in Care (51) or more. Care is only when you are in a romance. You must be male (that's because this particular line of questioning is for men, only--there's a female version). And he can't be in that time when he shuns you because he's afraid of love, or this conversation won't appear. Afterwards, it will show up.

Thanks for the clarification!

[lilliful]

KawaiiKatie wrote...

lilliful wrote...

I just wonder if [Fenris] hasn't at all had sex, or can't remember having ever had sex with someone. Deeeeeefintely not the blushing Alistair type though.

ManHawke: So... have you ever...?
Fenris: I don't know. Maybe. Probably.
ManHawke: Well, if you have, do think think you've ever... you know... with another....?
Fenris: .........another....?
ManHawke: ..........................another man?
Fenris: Oh! That's fair to ask, I suppose, but I repeat: I don't know. Maybe. Probably.
ManHawke: "Probably?" Are you attracted to other men?
Fenris: *leans in close* Let's find out.

Late I know, but I just wanted to say this made my day! <3

[Ryzaki]

umwhatyousay wrote...
I dunno. I understand that bisexual people have to deal with all sorts of ugly assumptions about themselves and in ideal world they'd be able to just go on and on about the nuances of their orientation, but I would still consider it poor form to talk about how, on the whole, you'd rather do members of another gender. Not very smooth, Z-Dog. Also, he talks about his druthers. I don't even know what that means,* but it sounds disgusting. And, I mean, this is in addition to whole "forced open-mindedness" nonsense. "Zevran! You're making me feel like I'm exploiting a victim of child abuse when I get with you. Why you gotta be like this?"

*I know what it means, God.

Oh god this. At first I romanced him without really digging ino the connontations but on the second time I kind of went.

  
And then telling you about the masage he learned at the w****house which he left when he was 7.... *shakes head* 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 18 février 2011 - 07:11 .

[SnowHeart1]

Ryzaki wrote...

umwhatyousay wrote...
*snip* "Zevran! You're making me feel like I'm exploiting a victim of child abuse when I get with you. Why you gotta be like this?"

*I know what it means, God.

Oh god this. At first I romanced him without really digging ino the connontations but on the second time I kind of went.

  
And then telling you about the masage he learned at the w****house which he left when he was 7.... *shakes head* 

I guess I'll play devil's advocate here for a second. Are y'all suggesting that because someone was abused as a child, that means the only way to interact with them is on a completely platonic level because they're so hopelessly damaged they can't have an intimate relationship? That's not minimizing the trauma of the experience and, while I'm no psychologist, I'm sure Zevran would have a host of unresolved issues related to that, but really... the only response is to have no response? I saw Zevran as explaining his past in a very matter-of-fact fashion, perhaps as one who has already dealt with it through years of therapy and just moved on, and telling the Warden why he's never been particularly good with relationships (because all the models he had as a child were not about love, and as a teenager and adult he was taught love was a liability). Now, he's trying to break out of that, perhaps even experience some healing in the process, and you're going to turn him away because it makes you uncomfortable?

Wow... cold.   (I don't think you're cold, actually. I understand what y'all are saying, but I do think there's another perspective on it.)

[Ryzaki]

SnowHeart1 wrote...
I guess I'll play devil's advocate here for a second. Are y'all suggesting that because someone was abused as a child, that means the only way to interact with them is on a completely platonic level because they're so hopelessly damaged they can't have an intimate relationship? That's not minimizing the trauma of the experience and, while I'm no psychologist, I'm sure Zevran would have a host of unresolved issues related to that, but really... the only response is to have no response?

No someone isn't restricted to just being platonic with them but I personally would have issues casually approaching a relationship with said person. That's just how I am. 

Though where are you getting the view that I'm saying everyone has to feel that way? Some people don't deal with such things well. I never said he couldn't find romantic love I just said it made me uncomfortable. 

As for Zev's issues I'm not the person who could help him deal with them. I wouldn't know what to say. My only response would be to be his friend. How does not romancing him = no response? 

I saw Zevran as explaining his past in a very matter-of-fact fashion, perhaps as one who has already dealt with it through years of therapy and just moved on, and telling the Warden why he's never been particularly good with relationships (because all the models he had as a child were not about love, and as a teenager and adult he was taught love was a liability). Now, he's trying to break out of that, perhaps even experience some healing in the process, and you're going to turn him away because it makes you uncomfortable?

Being an assassin is years of thearpy?  Being constantly told that you're nothing is therapy? Being a tool is thearpy? And yeah I reserve the right to end a relationship if it makes me uncomfortable and makes me feel like I'm exploiting someone. 

And nothing is stopping my PC from befriending him (well other than my PC killing him before he opens his mouth). 

Wow... cold.   (I don't think you're cold, actually. I understand what y'all are saying, but I do think there's another perspective on it.)

/shrugs I never said there wasn't. Just saying I'm not the type to be okay with that. 

And there's nothing cold about it regardless. You're acting like I'd treat him like a pariah and avoid him all the time. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 18 février 2011 - 07:37 .

[SnowHeart1]

Ryzaki, you're taking what I said way too personally. Of course you have a right to feel the way you do. I'm trying to point out an alternative perspective. If it didn't come across in a good natured way, I'm sorry.

[Ryzaki]

SnowHeart1 wrote...

Ryzaki, you're taking what I said way too personally. Of course you have a right to feel the way you do. I'm trying to point out an alternative perspective. If it didn't come across in a good natured way, I'm sorry.

Eh. Bad experience and leave it at that. 

I didn't mean to snap at you. 

[SnowHeart1]

NP. It happens.