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[Tae Jir]

jlb524 wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

I realize this is the M/M romance thread but someone mentioned non-PC/companion gay couples in DA and then someone complained about Branka/Hespith.

Noooo. That was awesome.

Branka must be female, she's Oghren's wife. Broodmothers can only be female. Branka could obviously not turn a male lover into a broodmother. Nor would Hespith going 'she turned me into a broodmother and I thought we were buddies!' work as well either.

The lead up to the Broodmother has got to be some of my favorite writing storytelling* in the game. I think it would be a shame if it had some of its teeth pulled because someone might interpret it as being unflattering to lesbians.

*Good writing, music, good animation for Hepith, good environmental design. I actually forgot how much I hated the earlier part of the deep roads.

The problem with this isn't in the writing of that couple in itself (I agree that it was quite good and the build up was awesome).

It's that there also aren't positive representations of s/s romances to go along with it (minus PC initiated romances).

Whereas, there are usually negative and positive opposite sex romances depicted in games.

The argument is that if there were also positive s/s couples shown to go along with the Branka one, then things would be fine.

I think the problem is that if you're a writer  who is beyond bigotry or agendas, troubles will attract more than a Leave It To Beaver  world. I liked Wade and whatever his name was, but they weren't as compelling as characters or advance the story like Branka/Hespith. My gut feeling is that the price of diversity in video games is that the nice couple next door who you'd have babysit for you are destined for bit parts, while the bigger roles will go to more colorful people. That's a balance I can accept. applaud and enjoy.

[The Lesser Evil]

DA is limited to mostly human looking characters (Elves, Dwarves and even Qunari look pretty human when it comes down to it), but if that weren't the case I would have liked a distinctly non-human looking M/M option.

This is pretty much entirely motivated by the fact that I found Thane Krios the most appealing AND attractive of the ME love interests, despite his reptilian appearance. It's probably the full lips and Dat Voice.That he didn't look human actually helped, because it keeps him from having oddities (eyes, expression) that human characters have that make them look... weird (Jacob and his bug eyes, for example).

Modifié par The Lesser Evil, 07 janvier 2011 - 11:48 .

[Jimmy Fury]

Being DLC it's extremely unlikely (nigh impossible) but as far as rogues go I wouldn't mind if Sebastian were romance material. The teaser gives him a Robin Hood edge which could be an interesting balance to refugee Hawke...

Sadly he's DLC so it's 99.999% not gonna happen.

[Collider]

Jimmy Fury wrote...

Being DLC it's extremely unlikely (nigh impossible) but as far as rogues go I wouldn't mind if Sebastian were romance material. The teaser gives him a Robin Hood edge which could be an interesting balance to refugee Hawke...
Sadly he's DLC so it's 99.999% not gonna happen.

Is he a rogue for certain? He could be a sort of warrior archer. They had them in DA:O. And isn't he wearing armor, anyway?

[Ryzaki]

Nah Collider. Apparently warriors are completely incapable of even equipping bows/dual wield weapons.



*mutters angrily about the loss of her favorite class DWW*

[catabuca]

The Lesser Evil wrote...

DA is limited to mostly human looking characters (Elves, Dwarves and even Qunari look pretty human when it comes down to it), but if that weren't the case I would have liked a distinctly non-human looking M/M option.

This is pretty much entirely motivated by the fact that I found Thane Krios the most appealing AND attractive of the ME love interests, despite his reptilian appearance. It's probably the full lips and Dat Voice.That he didn't look human actually helped, because it keeps him from having oddities (eyes, expression) that human characters have that make them look... weird (Jacob and his bug eyes, for example).

I'd prefer a human m/m companion, if I'm honest. ME2 did kind of suck for me romance wise. Garrus is a no go, Jacob was annoying as hell, and Thane really was the only option I found at all enticing, but I'm generally not into the cross-species stuff in ME.

And not to keep banging the same old drum over and over, but I know there would be people who would bring up 'oh so the gays have to be alien' argument. Regardless of the veracity of their argument, it is unfortunate that alien s/s love interests will come with the implication that being gay is 'exotic' and 'different' (lending credence to the glib comic comment that 'it's not gay if it's an elf').

This isn't to say that an alien/elf/dwarf/etc s/s LI would not or could not be interestingly written, emotionally moving, captivating, and thoroughly worthwhile. Just that it will also come with real-world baggage.

[ScotGaymer]

catabuca wrote...

The Lesser Evil wrote...

DA is limited to mostly human looking characters (Elves, Dwarves and even Qunari look pretty human when it comes down to it), but if that weren't the case I would have liked a distinctly non-human looking M/M option.

This is pretty much entirely motivated by the fact that I found Thane Krios the most appealing AND attractive of the ME love interests, despite his reptilian appearance. It's probably the full lips and Dat Voice.That he didn't look human actually helped, because it keeps him from having oddities (eyes, expression) that human characters have that make them look... weird (Jacob and his bug eyes, for example).

I'd prefer a human m/m companion, if I'm honest. ME2 did kind of suck for me romance wise. Garrus is a no go, Jacob was annoying as hell, and Thane really was the only option I found at all enticing, but I'm generally not into the cross-species stuff in ME.

And not to keep banging the same old drum over and over, but I know there would be people who would bring up 'oh so the gays have to be alien' argument. Regardless of the veracity of their argument, it is unfortunate that alien s/s love interests will come with the implication that being gay is 'exotic' and 'different' (lending credence to the glib comic comment that 'it's not gay if it's an elf').

This isn't to say that an alien/elf/dwarf/etc s/s LI would not or could not be interestingly written, emotionally moving, captivating, and thoroughly worthwhile. Just that it will also come with real-world baggage.

I agree with you there.

But really only because the ME2 romances were really badly done especially when you compare them to ME romances or the DAO romances.
ME2 has been the worst of Bioware's games for Ninjamancing so far; and the romance plots turn the romancable chracters from interesting 3 dimensional characters into 2 dimensional talking boobs and a vagina (or in case of the boys talking muscles and penis).
The problem is that the game assumes that you automatically want into the pants of every and all romancable characters of the opposite gender; even Tali (whom I love) and Garrus (Brandon Keener is well sexy); and thus doesnt give you a friendship path like you get with non romancables and the romancables of the same gender.
First game my Str8!Shep was trying to stay faithful to his dear Ashley (picking all neutral but friendly convo options - staying away from blatant flirts, and before he knew it Miranda was all over him like they were an item (i was like wtf?) so I let her down gently (and she hated me and wouldnt talk ever after!) and then within one mission of getting Tali Kelly is rattling on about how she is so obviously in love with me; it was a total "wait! what? little teenage Tali? Ewwww!" moment. Again Tali had to be let down too - and also would no longer talk to me (dont get me starred on Jack who randomly started telling me to "**** Off!" even though I had only spoke to her ONCE).

Thankfully however I doubt David Gaider will have allowed the writing staff for DA2 to do this with DA2's romancables.

Ideally I really want a Human LI for the guys. No more Gay Non Human Rogue's as the Gay LI please!

I would really prefer a Warrior LI if im totally honest because the girls get Isabela the rogue to romance so I dont see Aveline being romanceable; so a Male Warrior Bi LI for Gay!Man!Hawke would make sense. Plus my first playthru is totally going to be as Mage!Hawke (Sorry Bethany but your boobs annoy me).

Modifié par FitScotGaymer, 08 janvier 2011 - 02:13 .

[KillTheLastRomantic]

Bi human warrior please. Also, am I a raging crackhead or have gay romances been confirmed? I havn't been on here for a while but I thought I saw something about it on the dragon age wiki. If so, woo. Woo, I say.

[slimgrin]

Progressive_Stupidity1 wrote...

Bi human warrior please. Also, am I a raging crackhead or have gay romances been confirmed? I havn't been on here for a while but I thought I saw something about it on the dragon age wiki. If so, woo. Woo, I say.

They've been confirmed.

[KillTheLastRomantic]

slimgrin wrote...

Progressive_Stupidity1 wrote...

Bi human warrior please. Also, am I a raging crackhead or have gay romances been confirmed? I havn't been on here for a while but I thought I saw something about it on the dragon age wiki. If so, woo. Woo, I say.

They've been confirmed.

Definately guys? Are you sure it wasn't just put as 'same-sex' meaning f/f? I'm just pretty surprised.

[Dhiro]

Can we have a clone for LI?



What? Garrett isn't so bad. Tall, muscular, a not-so-ridiculous beard, giant arms (if you're into it *ahem*). It could be worse.



No? Well, no then.

[slimgrin]

Progressive_Stupidity1 wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Progressive_Stupidity1 wrote...

Bi human warrior please. Also, am I a raging crackhead or have gay romances been confirmed? I havn't been on here for a while but I thought I saw something about it on the dragon age wiki. If so, woo. Woo, I say.

They've been confirmed.

Definately guys? Are you sure it wasn't just put as 'same-sex' meaning f/f? I'm just pretty surprised.

Sorry, didn't clarify. It was just S/S that was confirmed.

My own opinion is it will be available for both sexes. We'll see.

[Jimmy Fury]

Progressive_Stupidity1 wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Progressive_Stupidity1 wrote...

Bi human warrior please. Also, am I a raging crackhead or have gay romances been confirmed? I havn't been on here for a while but I thought I saw something about it on the dragon age wiki. If so, woo. Woo, I say.

They've been confirmed.

Definately guys? Are you sure it wasn't just put as 'same-sex' meaning f/f? I'm just pretty surprised.

You could always check the first post... the exact quote is there

[Tietj]

Progressive_Stupidity1 wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Progressive_Stupidity1 wrote...

Bi human warrior please. Also, am I a raging crackhead or have gay romances been confirmed? I havn't been on here for a while but I thought I saw something about it on the dragon age wiki. If so, woo. Woo, I say.

They've been confirmed.

Definately guys? Are you sure it wasn't just put as 'same-sex' meaning f/f? I'm just pretty surprised.

Why would you be surprised?  They added it into DA:O why not DA2?

[pizoxuat]

Just to be incredibly shallow here, but I'd also like a human warrior for a m/m option. And since we have characters with awesome facial hair and awesome chest hair, can I request that he have an awesome happy trail?

[Fidget6]

Progressive_Stupidity1 wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Progressive_Stupidity1 wrote...

Bi human warrior please. Also, am I a raging crackhead or have gay romances been confirmed? I havn't been on here for a while but I thought I saw something about it on the dragon age wiki. If so, woo. Woo, I say.

They've been confirmed.

Definately guys? Are you sure it wasn't just put as 'same-sex' meaning f/f? I'm just pretty surprised.

In a recent interview it was said there would be LIs for every gender/orientation. Why is that surprising? There was a gay and lesbian option in Origins, and DAII has the same lead writer.

[KillTheLastRomantic]

Fidget6 wrote...

Progressive_Stupidity1 wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Progressive_Stupidity1 wrote...

Bi human warrior please. Also, am I a raging crackhead or have gay romances been confirmed? I havn't been on here for a while but I thought I saw something about it on the dragon age wiki. If so, woo. Woo, I say.

They've been confirmed.

Definately guys? Are you sure it wasn't just put as 'same-sex' meaning f/f? I'm just pretty surprised.

In a recent interview it was said there would be LIs for every gender/orientation. Why is that surprising? There was a gay and lesbian option in Origins, and DAII has the same lead writer.

Dragon age looks to be going in a more Mass Effect direction, which had f/f and not m/m not to mention the amount of people who seem utterly repulsed by the very mention of such a thing and I'm a glass half empty kind of guy so I just kind of assumed there would be no m/m romance and am pleasantly surprised to find I'm wrong.

[seventh_sorrow]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Slidell505 wrote...

Feniris is the gay LI. I'm putting all my money on that. A male bisexual tattooed elf. Man, I'm getting deja vu

He is not a rogue your argument is invalid.

Zevran - Fenris Comparison

- dual wielding
- elf
- smexy tattoos
- blonde
- accents
- troubled past
- both being purchased for nafarious reasons
- both have people tracking them down
- both running away from a former master
- both will probably have the main character saving them from their old masters in someway

despite one being a rogue and one being a warrior they have a lot in common.

the simularities are over bearing and obvious. 

I'm sure the end results for both of them will be different, but they were definately picked from the same elven tree

Modifié par seventh_sorrow, 09 janvier 2011 - 05:33 .

[Saibh]

seventh_sorrow wrote...

Zevran - Fenris Comparison

- dual wielding

Not true. 2H.

- smexy tattoos

I'd argue Fenris' are important and Zevran's were just there, but I won't say you're wrong.

- blonde

Fenris has white hair.

- accents

Essentially that means "is not Fereldan". In fact, it means even less because the game does not occur in Ferelden, but rather a melting pot of cultures. You should expect different accents.

- troubled past

Not a single DAO character had a happy past. Unless they were Dog from HN. Any other Dog and their Master died and abandoned them. Well, I guess Sten sort of

- both being purchased for nafarious reasons
- both have people tracking them down
- both running away from a former master
- both will probably have the main character saving them from their old masters in someway

These go hand-in-hand, and are really one point. If they ran away after being purchased, obviously they're going to get hunted down. They wouldn't be a slave if they hadn't ran away.

Anyhow, more important than backstory is personality, and Fenris is nothing like Zevran.

Modifié par Saibh, 09 janvier 2011 - 06:03 .

[SleepyPerson]

Edit: Ninja'd

Modifié par TricksterPuppet, 09 janvier 2011 - 05:41 .

[The Big Nothing]

I don't want this "gay" stuff unless I can seduce Varric and have a cutscene of me knotting his chest hair with my fingers.

[seventh_sorrow]

yes I was wrong about the 2H thing I will admit.  However...

Saibh wrote...


- both being purchased for nafarious reasons
- both have people tracking them down
- both running away from a former master
- both will probably have the main character saving them from their old masters in someway

These
go hand-in-hand, are are really one point. If they ran away after being
purchased, obviously they're going to get hunted down. They wouldn't be
a slave if they hadn't run away.

Anyhow, more important than backstory is personality, and Fenris is nothing like Zevran.

I disagree, the fact that Zev was purchased by the Crows isn't mutually exclusive with them tracking him down. 
Something
that had happens in Zevran's past doesn't define his future actions. 
You're past only reflects who you are, not who you will become.   Just
because something goes hand-in-hand doesn't mean they're the same eithe.

ALSO, I never said anything about personality or backstory.   I was saying they had a lot in common, and they do.
I fully reconize that they are vastly different characters
 

- smexy tattoos

I'd argue Fenris' are important and Zevran's were just there, but I won't say you're wrong.

Leliana and Zevran have party banter about the importance of the tattoos, it boils down to sex.  But Zev does admit some of his tattoos do have importance to the crows

- blonde

Fenris has white hair.

 also known as platinum BLONDE

- accents

Essentially that means "is not Fereldan". In fact, it means even less because the game does not occur in Ferelden, but rather a melting pot of cultures. You should expect different accents.

most tiventer characters lack accents in DA:O , they'll have to make one up / over prounce for fenris to have one.

- troubled past

Not a single DAO character had a happy past. Unless they were Dog from HN. Any other Dog and their Master died and abandoned them. Well, I guess Sten sort of

yes and no... 

Modifié par seventh_sorrow, 09 janvier 2011 - 06:08 .

[Saibh]

seventh_sorrow wrote...

I disagree, the fact that Zev was purchased by the Crows isn't mutually exclusive with them tracking him down. 

Well...we agree then.

Something
that had happens in Zevran's past doesn't define his future actions. 
You're past only reflects who you are, not who you will become.   Just
because something goes hand-in-hand doesn't mean they're the same eithe.

You will assume that someone who is a slave...stays a slave. If they're in their party, they have run away. If they have run away, they weren't supposed to go and someone wants them back. I'd say it's a pretty connected plot. It doesn't have to be like that, but I think any party member with "slave" attached is probably going to have this element of plot attached.

ALSO, I never said anything about personality or backstory.   I was saying they had a lot in common, and they do.
I fully reconize that they are vastly different characters

You've said plenty on backstory--nothing on personality, which I was pointing out is the important part.
 

Leliana and Zevran have party banter about the importance of the tattoos, it boils down to sex.  But Zev does admit some of his tattoos do have importance to the crows

That was old dialogue--you'll notice he talks about body tattoos when he only has one on his face. He's also the only Crow we meet with them in particular. In any case, most people try to get tattoos that have some meaning to them...but Fenris' tattoos are important to his character.

 also known as platinum BLONDE

No, platinum blond is a yellow color.  A very light yellow, but yellow nonetheless.

most tiventer characters lack accents in DA:O , they'll have to make one up / over prounce for fenris to have one.

Dalish elves now have Welsh accents. I wouldn't be too sure.

yes and no... 

No, just yes. Besides that, the point about him being a slave and him having a troubled past are not seperate points--one means the other. It's like saying that, if Fenris were blond, that they're both blond and both have hair. Well, yes, short of naturally being bald, that would happen.

[LastAyleidKing]

I almost exclusivly chose zevran on every character in DA:O in mass effect 1 and 2 I liked all of em, in DA2 I really hope fenris is romancable and really hope he's at least bi I guess elves just hold a better character personality than other races in my oponion I mean zevran had his humor and....other quirks "lol" besides Fenris just looks that good.

[dgcatanisiri]

I didn't like Zevran's personality up until you got him to truly fall in love with the Warden. It's that exterior surface attitude that drives me away, and if I the player didn't know that he was my only option for a romance as a gay character, I wouldn't have romanced him. I liked him once I dug deeper, but my first instinct was to NOT dig. I want someone who I can envision being an automatic 'click' for Hawke, someone who I can play my Hawke as being instantly attracted to. My Warden was instantly attracted to Alistair but I couldn't act on it because of limiting dialogue. So someone who is a little less overconfident in their own attractiveness would be greatly appreciated.