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[Godzina]

I think I've had my fill of romances where the emotional key moment consists of your LI talking about how they tragically lost the love of their life and you eventually end up "saving" your love interest through the relationship. While I enjoyed the Zevran romance for Zevran's hilariously cheesy flirting lines (and its refreshing lack of whining despite his tragic background), I found that aspect to be repetitive of a lot of other Bioware romances, both S/S and straight, actually.



I would really enjoy a m/m romance where you end up discovering each other without the skeleton of your ex looming in a corner.



Also, I would be interested in a m/m romance with someone who is mentally strong, but has either yet to come to terms with the fact they're attracted to men, or never acted on his desires.



And, as a general side note, rival!romances sound awesome.

[Ninja Mage]

Yeah, it was so cute when Zev was like, " No! I will not sleep with you!"



And then he never says ,' I LOVE U!" he just says he has strong feelings for you

[Bryy_Miller]

David Gaider wrote...

jlb524 wrote...
Yes, but my original point was that it should be okay to express the thing that offend you or press your buttons as long as it's done civily and with respect (i.e., no pointless name calling).

I agree. I joke about the refridgerator, but it's a trope that needed to be called out in order to make writers think about what they're doing-- because sometimes a lot of what we do we do without actively thinking about it.

You know, in a very base sense, bad tropes like Women in 'Fridge kind of need to be done firsthand by new writers. One of the first thing I learned when writing is what is bad writing... because I wrote it early on. 

Also, it's great for satirization. Who knows: by doing it yourself, you'll figure out what parts of the bad ot manipulate to be good in your own style.

Modifié par Bryy_Miller, 09 janvier 2011 - 09:50 .

[Wynne]

Jimmy Fury wrote...

I'm not gonna lie. Looks will be important to me. I'm sure someone will call me superficial but I don't care. I didn't romance Zevran because I thought he looked like a one of those bleach blonde tanning-bed-leather-skin "people" (term used loosely) who roam the streets and beaches down here in Florida.  Course that was easily solved with a quick mod but my first 3 playthroughs were on consoles so... yeah.

I'm partial to dark hair, bright eyes, and pale or olive skin so... I might be perfectly content just staring at Garrett all day Scars, scruffiness, and a strong jaw would be be good. Tattoos would be nice.

I concur. And having preferences doesn't make you shallow. You're only shallow if you refuse to be in the company of anyone who doesn't fit your physical standards, not if you reject a romance with someone based on not feeling attraction. Romance, unlike friendship, requires some amount of physical attraction to work in the real world (unless one is truly asexual, perhaps.)

In a game, I don't think you have to actually be aroused by a set of pixels (if anyone actually is), just that you have to have those pixels remind you of what you like or of what you imagine your Hawke (or character in general) to like.

And it looks like we have the same taste in men. I can't stand the leather-skinned bleach-haired beach people either. I mean, as human beings I'm sure some of them are nice, just... it creeps me out, the fakeness of it all. I like seeing human coloring, whether it's the palest albino or the darkest natural shade that exists. The carcinogens in hair dye and the dangers of tanning (particularly in beds) don't exactly make me think sexy thoughts. I just think, "Why would you want to kill your beautiful natural coloring? Why would you want orange skin and dry, flat bleach-blond hair? Why would you take these terrible physical risks in order to look hideous? Because it's somehow a fad right now?"

I will never understand it. And that bothered me about Zevran. I nabbed the first mod for him that I could find because thinking "beach douchebag"/radioactive orange" was really distracting me from his character, which I actually do like. I mean, I could be wrong, but I don't imagine DA having a buzzing spray tan/bleach industry. The color choices for him still confound me. But at least they haven't done anything like that for DA2 from what I can see.

I too love dark hair, bright eyes, and pale/olive skin. Scars, scruffiness, strong jaw... tattooes I can take or leave, but they can be cool. Hmm... are you a fan of Matt Bomer by any chance? I think he'd make a nice real-world Hawke.

Lord_Caledore wrote...

I...had never considered that metaphor before, but it's so apt. And really clever.

I loved Wade
and Herren too. I've heard some people say they're too 'stereotypical',
but I've known plenty of couples - straight ones included! - who act
that way. It's classic bickering old married couple (even if they're not
technically married). I'd love to see more NPC couples, gay and
straight, who have such great interactions. 

I know, right? And they really are the best! They didn't make me think in terms of stereotypes either; I just thought they were adorable and reminded me of real-life couples I know. I would flip if they showed up again because I still grin every time they're on screen.

nightcobra8928 wrote...

think of the possibilities![smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/grin.png[/smilie]

*grins* nice one.

Dhiro wrote...

That hardly mean he can't be gay. Of
course, if he's all this, I suppose I would like him as a gay LI, even
if I prefer Varric. Anyway, who knows, maybe the gay LI is still in the
shadows, waiting.

I never said he couldn't be gay, I was responding to "bisexual tattooed elf = deja vu." My point was that deja vu is utterly irrelevant regardless of which way Fenris swings. He is NOT Zevran at all--he's quite different, both visually and otherwise. The similarities are utterly trivial.

Tae Jir wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

The lead up to the Broodmother has got to be some of my favorite writing
storytelling* in the game. I think it would be a shame if it had some
of its teeth pulled because someone might interpret it as being
unflattering to lesbians.

O. M. G.

Just the
thought of a M4M character/story hitting the heights of Hespith gets me
giddy with excitement. That had to be some of the best storytelling and
voice acting of DA:O. Confusing, creepy and heart breaking. I'd love for
the M4M character to stand out for their story more than for being "the
gay."

I totally heard "the gay" in Margaret Cho's voice. I'm not sure what that says about me.

Anyway, I very much agree. Really, the Branka/Hespith Broodmother stuff was some of the best stuff I can remember seeing in gaming, period. Wasn't that Jennifer Hepler's work? Well, anyway, the horror and emotionality of that portion was amazing, and I never for a moment felt like the implication was that lesbians are evil. I saw it as a tragedy... that Hespith was gay and that Branka, regardless of her sexuality, used both people who loved her and was in general ruthless and stark raving mad. I always saw it as strictly Branka's flaw, having nothing to do with who she liked to sleep with, and felt deep sympathy for Hespith, whose only 'crime' was falling in love.

I think Nicolas and Julien in The Calling were great already, but I wouldn't mind seeing another M/M couple in a dramatic situation. I guess it's just that lesbians are slightly more accepted in society (as evidenced by people just giggling at ladies kissing at the VMAs but being outraged at Adam Lambert dancing with his crotch a little too close to someone's face.) As stupid as it is, there are always going to be people shouting, "See? They're evil!" so in some ways I'd rather they make sure the gay guys are decent people like Nicolas and Julien were.

[-Rue-]

It's a pipe dream, but I'd love a m/m romance with Nathaniel. Nice. Although, I'd like one with a male character whose got a darker personality/humour in general.
I always like the rugged and stoic types best - I always wanted to romance Zu in JE, and I'll admit that part of me wished Wrex was an option too. Origins had flirty Zevran, and then Alistair, who's as soft as a box of kittens. So it'd be good to have a male romance who's the tough, stoic type. Especially if he's the m/m romance. And especially if he's human this time.
Also, maybe a m/m LI who doesn't have a tragic story about his former FEMALE lover? I liked Zevran and Sky, but hearing about their lost female loves when I'm trying to romance them as a male makes me feel awkward.

Modifié par -Rue-, 09 janvier 2011 - 09:13 .

[Zevais]

I wonder if there is a potential male three way. I can imagine Fenris' lyrium veins skyrocketing male mage Hawke's mind and soul straight into the fade at climax and Varric going into a lyrium related studdering mess. Fenris will then go into a corner dissapointed and telling everyone else watching (probably just Isabela with some popcorn), "I finally allow myself to be touched and this happens..."

[Jimmy Fury]

Wynne wrote...

Jimmy Fury wrote...

I'm not gonna lie. Looks will be important to me. I'm sure someone will call me superficial but I don't care. I didn't romance Zevran because I thought he looked like a one of those bleach blonde tanning-bed-leather-skin "people" (term used loosely) who roam the streets and beaches down here in Florida.  Course that was easily solved with a quick mod but my first 3 playthroughs were on consoles so... yeah.

I'm partial to dark hair, bright eyes, and pale or olive skin so... I might be perfectly content just staring at Garrett all day Scars, scruffiness, and a strong jaw would be be good. Tattoos would be nice.

I concur. And having preferences doesn't make you shallow. You're only shallow if you refuse to be in the company of anyone who doesn't fit your physical standards, not if you reject a romance with someone based on not feeling attraction. Romance, unlike friendship, requires some amount of physical attraction to work in the real world (unless one is truly asexual, perhaps.)

In a game, I don't think you have to actually be aroused by a set of pixels (if anyone actually is), just that you have to have those pixels remind you of what you like or of what you imagine your Hawke (or character in general) to like.

And it looks like we have the same taste in men. I can't stand the leather-skinned bleach-haired beach people either. I mean, as human beings I'm sure some of them are nice, just... it creeps me out, the fakeness of it all. I like seeing human coloring, whether it's the palest albino or the darkest natural shade that exists. The carcinogens in hair dye and the dangers of tanning (particularly in beds) don't exactly make me think sexy thoughts. I just think, "Why would you want to kill your beautiful natural coloring? Why would you want orange skin and dry, flat bleach-blond hair? Why would you take these terrible physical risks in order to look hideous? Because it's somehow a fad right now?"

I will never understand it. And that bothered me about Zevran. I nabbed the first mod for him that I could find because thinking "beach douchebag"/radioactive orange" was really distracting me from his character, which I actually do like. I mean, I could be wrong, but I don't imagine DA having a buzzing spray tan/bleach industry. The color choices for him still confound me. But at least they haven't done anything like that for DA2 from what I can see.

I too love dark hair, bright eyes, and pale/olive skin. Scars, scruffiness, strong jaw... tattooes I can take or leave, but they can be cool. Hmm... are you a fan of Matt Bomer by any chance? I think he'd make a nice real-world Hawke.

I am. I kept suggesting him in all of the "who would you like for a squadmate/LI" threads on the ME2 forum and the Fight For The Love group forum.
I guess I should note that my personal standards are nowhere near as picky as my game LI preferences lol. I have exes of all different shapes, sizes, colors, and creeds. I just have aesthetic pet peeves and the faux-tan blond thing is one of them and the way Zev described Antiva I didn't really picture it as having a large surfer population...

[Dhiro]

Wynne wrote...

Jimmy Fury wrote...

I'm not gonna lie. Looks will be important to me. I'm sure someone will call me superficial but I don't care. I didn't romance Zevran because I thought he looked like a one of those bleach blonde tanning-bed-leather-skin "people" (term used loosely) who roam the streets and beaches down here in Florida.  Course that was easily solved with a quick mod but my first 3 playthroughs were on consoles so... yeah.

I'm partial to dark hair, bright eyes, and pale or olive skin so... I might be perfectly content just staring at Garrett all day Scars, scruffiness, and a strong jaw would be be good. Tattoos would be nice.

I concur. And having preferences doesn't make you shallow. You're only shallow if you refuse to be in the company of anyone who doesn't fit your physical standards, not if you reject a romance with someone based on not feeling attraction. Romance, unlike friendship, requires some amount of physical attraction to work in the real world (unless one is truly asexual, perhaps.)

In a game, I don't think you have to actually be aroused by a set of pixels (if anyone actually is), just that you have to have those pixels remind you of what you like or of what you imagine your Hawke (or character in general) to like.

And it looks like we have the same taste in men. I can't stand the leather-skinned bleach-haired beach people either. I mean, as human beings I'm sure some of them are nice, just... it creeps me out, the fakeness of it all. I like seeing human coloring, whether it's the palest albino or the darkest natural shade that exists. The carcinogens in hair dye and the dangers of tanning (particularly in beds) don't exactly make me think sexy thoughts. I just think, "Why would you want to kill your beautiful natural coloring? Why would you want orange skin and dry, flat bleach-blond hair? Why would you take these terrible physical risks in order to look hideous? Because it's somehow a fad right now?"

I will never understand it. And that bothered me about Zevran. I nabbed the first mod for him that I could find because thinking "beach douchebag"/radioactive orange" was really distracting me from his character, which I actually do like. I mean, I could be wrong, but I don't imagine DA having a buzzing spray tan/bleach industry. The color choices for him still confound me. But at least they haven't done anything like that for DA2 from what I can see.

I too love dark hair, bright eyes, and pale/olive skin. Scars, scruffiness, strong jaw... tattooes I can take or leave, but they can be cool. Hmm... are you a fan of Matt Bomer by any chance? I think he'd make a nice real-world Hawke.

I so agree with everything you wrote. Sadly, the chance of finding someone that fit this description, at least for me, are... slim. I wonder what Matt Bomer think about being kidnapped?

Dhiro wrote...

That hardly mean he can't be gay. Of
course, if he's all this, I suppose I would like him as a gay LI, even
if I prefer Varric. Anyway, who knows, maybe the gay LI is still in the
shadows, waiting.

I never said he couldn't be gay, I was responding to "bisexual tattooed elf = deja vu." My point was that deja vu is utterly irrelevant regardless of which way Fenris swings. He is NOT Zevran at all--he's quite different, both visually and otherwise. The similarities are utterly trivial.

Very true. I guess I wasn't getting what you were trying to say, sorry ^^"

[Eveangaline]

...Could this DLC guy be the m/m option? Or would they be unlikely to make a dlc only character a romance option?

[Dhiro]

If he is, I will go in a rampage.



I can't buy DLCs, you see.

[Rixxencaxx]

I was wondering who could be the bi male...

The dwarf? oh my god no

The elf? again a bisex pervert elf?? no

The prince Vale ....maybe

Anders (if confirmed) 90% could be him

end of list....

[Blacklash93]

If Fenris (another elf) is the gay option, I'll have a good laugh.

But seriously, what's wrong with Fenris? I can understand not being attracted to an elf, but what else about him makes him seem like another Zevran?

Modifié par Blacklash93, 13 janvier 2011 - 01:12 .

[ScotGaymer]

Because it would be yet another gay Elf in popular "literature".



Its an appalling cliche these days because its been over done; and the reason its been over done is because apparently its okay to be gay if you arent human.



"Its okay hes an elf poof so it doesnt count people!"



At least thats the perception.

[Thicos]

No bi men.



A gay man, please.



Bi not, If there is a bi, then need one gay only.



Hetero/Gay/Bi



Three options.



Not, hetero and bi.



Bi is for fake guys that like to joke with others only to have sex.

[ScotGaymer]

Thicos wrote...

No bi men.

A gay man, please.

Bi not, If there is a bi, then need one gay only.

Hetero/Gay/Bi

Three options.

Not, hetero and bi.

Bi is for fake guys that like to joke with others only to have sex.

Firstly if bioware include SS romances in their games (which they are in DA2) unless they have a LOT of extra development time SS LIs are always going to be bisexual simply because its easier and quicker to code in.
Not to mention they are less likely to catch flak over it.

Secondly thats quite prejudice, and offensive.

[Thicos]

prejudice and offensive?

Sorry, but it is real world.

Everybody know that "bi guys" are mostly hidden gays.

and where is the difficulty of making a character who only likes men or only like women?

Modifié par Thicos, 13 janvier 2011 - 02:05 .

[Dhiro]

DLCs apart, I think I would go with Varric or "Anders". Fenris isn't bad, I just don't see nothing special in elves. I don't even like Legolas :<

Everybody know that "bi guys" are mostly hidden gays.



and where is the difficulty of making a character who only likes men or only like women?

They do? Funny.



And the difficulty is the budge, as Dinosaur Gaider explained again and again and again. If they make a gay only character, only a few people will romance him. Still, making a romance is expensive. If they make that character bi then the money will be better used, as more players will do the romance. Simple as that.

[Andraste_Reborn]

Thicos wrote...

prejudice and offensive?

Sorry, but it is real world.

Everybody know that "bi guys" are mostly hidden gays.

and where is the difficulty of making a character who only likes men or only like women?

Dude, lay of the biphobia. Firstly, it's monumentally offensive. Secondly, it will get the thread locked.

While in an ideal world I would love to see gay love interests as well as bisexual ones, it's been clearly stated by BioWare that the number of players who use the same-sex content is just not high enough at this point to justify putting in whole romances that aren't accessible to opposite-sex PCs. It's a shame, but there it is.

[Eveangaline]

You know..I'd kind of like the ability to take your LI out on a 'date'. Like, you can ask them out maybe once or twice and it starts up a 'quest', where you meet the person somewhere in the city at night.



It'd be kind of cool to take Varric or Fenris out for a date....plus, I always love more quest xp.

[arcane-weirdo]

Ooh, that'd be pretty cool actually.

I really hope Fenris will be the gay/bi character, I just got a thing for elves lol
And I don't think he'll be anything like Zevran, is a guy that doesn't let people touch him really anything like a guy that grew up in a ****house and flirts with anyone in a 1 mile radius?

And I understand Bioware won't make a character gay but do they really have to make it overly clear that he/she's bi. Zevran was always like: ''I grew up with ****s so that's why I go both ways'' or ''I prefer women''. I think a character like Leliana would be better, she was just in love with you and she didn''t really go on about being bi all the time.

EDIT: mmmm, I didn't know you couldn't spell w.h.o.r.e on this site.

Modifié par arcane-weirdo, 13 janvier 2011 - 08:14 .

[scootermcgaffin]

arcane-weirdo wrote...

And I understand Bioware won't make a character gay but do they really have to make it overly clear that he/she's bi. Zevran was always like: ''I grew up with ****s so that's why I go both ways'' or ''I prefer women''. I think a character like Leliana would be better, she was just in love with you and she didn''t really go on about being bi all the time.

Yeah, this was one of my major quibbles with the Zevran/M option in Dragon Age. You don't need to justify, explain, or excuse your male character's bisexuality, nor do you need to try to appease people by having him state "but it's okay because mostly I prefer women!"

Modifié par scootermcgaffin, 13 janvier 2011 - 08:29 .

[Fidget6]

Thicos wrote...
Everybody know that "bi guys" are mostly hidden gays.

That's extremely offensive.....

[Thicos]

Extremely Offensive?

Extremely offensive is a man marries a woman cheating on her and be with other men.

Now that is extremely offensive, not me.

It seems that you live outside of reality.

Spare me the lecture.

I just talked to have all three types of romances.

After all, we're talking about romance, not sex with anyone who appears.

In Dragon Age, romance = sex?

Are we talking about romance or sex scenes?

[Tarahiro]

Having the same sex romance characters be bisexual is the better option I think. I mean, if you want a character to be gay, then do so by only ever romancing the LI as the same sex. When I play a female warden, I always romance Leliana. I never romance her as a male. If I want a straight romance as a male, I choose Morrigan.

If I want a m/m romance, I start up a male character, ignore anything remotely romantic from any female characters I may meet and romance Zevran. I never romance Zev as a female. Zevran to me is exclusively for my male characters. I just think of this each time I play. After all, each individual plays the game differently and has different ways to make it their own.

I'll be playing DA2 the same way.

Having bisexual love interests rather than select homosexual ones is better for everyones roleplay. If you only play straight romances, you can romance any LI of the opposite gender. If you want a homosexual romance, you still can.

Modifié par Tarahiro, 14 janvier 2011 - 12:43 .

[AngelicMachinery]

Thicos wrote...

No bi men.

A gay man, please.

Bi not, If there is a bi, then need one gay only.

Hetero/Gay/Bi

Three options.

Not, hetero and bi.

Bi is for fake guys that like to joke with others only to have sex.

You are a closed minded arse,  what right do you have to insult someone else's sexual orientation?  I'm sure you would be quite up in arms if someone did the same to you.

Modifié par AngelicMachinery, 14 janvier 2011 - 12:47 .