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Why Saving the Capital City on Watson is the Right Move for Paragons AND Renegades.


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First of all, I know the mission is on Watson’s moon, Franklin. But I was left with the impression that, while the colony was on Watson, the Alliance bases (BTW what is the Alliance doing in the Terminus Systems anyway?) responsible for defending said colony were on Franklin. I write making that assumption.  It doesn't make that much of difference anyway, since, orbital supremacy being what it is, controling Franklin would arguably be the best way to control Watson.
 
 
On to it then… for Paragons the right choice is clear: saving the Capital City of Watson saves lives. More lives saved means more people can join hands at the kumbaya guitar circle that’s somehow going to stop the Reapers. 
 
I kid, I kid! Posted ImageBut, Obvious Paragon IS obvious.
 
But for Renegades the choice seems less obvious, or at least more complex.Posted Image 

The dilemma is presented as the idea that allowing the spaceport to be destroyed will mean the colony will no longer be viable and will have to be evacuated. But why should this be so? Why can that infrastructure not be rebuilt?
 
Seems to me that (should the spaceport be destroyed) what Watson really needs is not an evacuation, but a patron, an organization to sponsor the colony and help them get back on their feet.
 
Such an organization would have to have extensive financial, industrial, technological, and military resources, but not necessarily vast reserves of manpower, since the saved city arguably has all the workers one would need to get the colony up and running.
 
Such a potential patron should also have to have interests in both cutting edge xenobiology (the vast potential for which Watson is noted), and in furthering the cause of human expansion (Watson is a major human colony in an alien dominated region of the galaxy). 
 
And if, like any good Renegade, you saved the Collector Base, the Skepsis system is only one mass relay transit away from the Ω4. In other words, it’s the nearest human world to the CB, that alone should recommend it as a location for a base to exploit the fruits of the Collector operation to one extent or another. The vast natural and human resources and potential of the wider Skepsis System only sweeten the deal.
 
Let’s see… an organization with vast resources, but limited manpower, with both advanced xeno scientific AND pro-human political agendas, and one which either is (or shortly expects to) exploit the captured Collector Base for military and scientific purposes. I can think of one organization that fits that description to a tee.
 
Watson represents a real chance for Cerberus. A chance to step out (at least partially, no one says they can’t keep using their front companies) from the shadows, and do what they claim they exist to do: champion the cause of humanity! And help themselves a bit in the process. 
 
I know not every Renegade is a Cerberus supporter, but ya’ gotta admit; there is a fair degree of overlap.
 
It’s a win for all involved. Watson needs Cerberus to survive, and Cerberus needs Watson to reach its full potential. So save that city!



Also, the Alliance built a base housing missiles capable of planetary bombardment in orbit around one of their own colonies.  What's up wit' dat!?!Posted Image

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Realistically the capital city will have more infrastructure than the spaceport any way. They should have made it something like the water purifiers (which would force evacuation of the entire planet) vs a smaller settlement (ie only hundreds of lives).

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yeah, i always thought that this was a surprisingly deep side mission (ME2 standards), in regards to story, and im still not sure which to choose for my renegade shep

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This one humbly suggests Renegades should save the city.

-EDIT-  Unless you need the points... -END EDIT-

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I always did it so I can wipe another colony off the map

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Harbinger?

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My problem with the quest is how do you evacuate a planet with out ships landing on the ground, in a world where there isn't a transporter? To any answer to that why can't they just to business like that till they get a new space port built?

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Right, exactly. It's pretty much a "false dilemna" presented to give you the chance to earn more paragon or renegade points.

If you can evacuate the colony, you can at least put down temporary landing zones. If you can clear temporary landing zones, you can build permanent ones. If you can build permanent ones, then you can rebuild the industrial area.

Plus, it's an entire planet.  Destroying one small surface area does not, somehow, miraculously, wipe out the habitability of the *entire* planet...

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Obvious choice is obvious?

Doesnt even make sense either. How is it you have a single code, but it is capable of working on both missles? And once you use it once, the other missle no longer responds... Does it get mad that you cheated on it and block your calls?

Modifié par Vaenier, 05 janvier 2011 - 12:07 .


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StarcloudSWG wrote...

Right, exactly. It's pretty much a "false dilemna" presented to give you the chance to earn more paragon or renegade points.

If you can evacuate the colony, you can at least put down temporary landing zones. If you can clear temporary landing zones, you can build permanent ones. If you can build permanent ones, then you can rebuild the industrial area.

Plus, it's an entire planet.  Destroying one small surface area does not, somehow, miraculously, wipe out the habitability of the *entire* planet...




Exactly! There’s not a reason in the ‘verse the Watson spaceport/industrial area can’t be rebuilt. All you need is someone willing and able to make the investment.
 
From the tone of the in-mission blurb: “the colony will no longer be economically viable and will have to be evacuated”, I got the impression that the Alliance, as the erstwhile patrons of the colony, was unlikley to be willing to do so.
 
I found this all the more damning since it was the Alliance’s failure that forced Watson into such dire straits in the first place!
 
Well… that’s part of what Cerberus stands for, right? Sticking up for humanity when all others have turned their backs (or back analogues), right? Right!?!Posted Image
 
C’mon TIM! Put your money where your mouth is! You’re willing to fund every wack-job mad scientist from here to Aite, but when actual everyday humans on the frontier need help, you leave it up to the Alliance? Heck, given the potential of the colony, it’s not even an entirely selfless act. No wonder people don’t trust you…

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A spaceport being so important is BS anyway, since every spacecraft in the ME universe has VTOL capability and can land anywhere that is flat.

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General User wrote...

Harbinger?


Damn! You figured me out! Now ill need to use a new alias!

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I don't understand why it was even happen if you look in wiki http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Franklin
it should have been secured enough to keep it from happening.
 its has losted tht it had 2 spaceports, and "naval shipyard".

Modifié par IBPROFEN, 05 janvier 2011 - 12:34 .


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It doesn't help that the save responses are switched either :( I always go to save the spaceport for the sake of variance only to learn that I've actually been saving the city.

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I have no idea what mission this is...

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its the one where you goto the missle launch site and you have to decide to blow up the capital city or the spaceport. Its a small, short side quest.

I wish i could chose neither. I wish in Me3 i could to a flyby and just see a hole in the ground.

Modifié par Sidac, 05 janvier 2011 - 02:19 .


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i'm pretty sure I got the menu options mixed up, so I clicked the industrial base with the intention to have it destroyed and save the lives of the people, but instead I ended up saving the industrial base, lol.

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The mission is bugged, or rather the journal after the mission is bugged.  Here's the link that lays it all out for us.

Cheers!

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/107/index/880342/2

I find it interesting that the game actually records this decision.  To me that suggests we'll be seeing the planet Watson again...

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That choice was always absurdly simple for me.

Humans discovered the Mass Relays 35 years before the start of ME1. 35 years later, we have expanded from our puny Solar System onto the center of the Galactic Stage.

So how long will it take for us to rebuild a space port? Huh?



The end game choice of ME2 is the hardest choice for me. I paused the game for a full 15 minutes (despite being majorly Paragon) pondering whether I should destroy the Collector Base or not, and eventually decided to make separate save files for either choice. :devil:

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Another thought along these lines occurs to me. That is, what about all the side missions in ME2? I mean, Shepard takes down several major mercenary and pirate operations.  All those captured supplies and equipment should not just be left to rot.
 
The advanced geth and ancient prothean technology arguably make Cerberus the most technologically advanced faction in Mass Effect short of the Reapers. Throw the CB into the mix and Cerberus arguably IS, or will shortly become, MORE advanced technologically than the Reapers! 
 
The one thing Cerberus really lacks is manpower. The one thing a colony of humans who owe their very lives to Cerberus and Shepard would have to offer. And Watson isn’t alone in this regard. Arguably every human colony in the Terminus Systems falls into this category.
 
What I envision is this: Under Cerberus patronage, Watson becomes the central clearing house and production facility for multiple Cerberus programs based on the fruits of the success of Shepard’s missions, including a general militarization program and fleet build-up. 
 
The population of Watson and other Terminus planets become the population base from which Cerberus recruits the crews of that fleet, and the workers for its shipyards.
 
It has to happen somewhere. Cerberus’ established pattern of filtering their technological advances through the human military-industrial complex won’t work in this case. The advances are too great, the time frame is too short, and the stakes are too high.
 
Cerberus HAS to go into full production now, even before the Alliance and the other galactic powers get on-board. And Watson is the logical place to do just that.

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StarcloudSWG wrote...

Right, exactly. It's pretty much a "false dilemna" presented to give you the chance to earn more paragon or renegade points.

I didn't think you got any Renegade or Paragon points either way.

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Paragons and Rengades may save the City, But logical people will save the space port.

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adam_grif wrote...
A spaceport being so important is BS anyway, since every spacecraft in the ME universe has VTOL capability and can land anywhere that is flat.


StarcloudSWG wrote...
Right, exactly. It's pretty much a "false dilemna" presented to give you the chance to earn more paragon or renegade points.

If you can evacuate the colony, you can at least put down temporary landing zones. If you can clear temporary landing zones, you can build permanent ones. If you can build permanent ones, then you can rebuild the industrial area.

Plus, it's an entire planet.  Destroying one small surface area does not, somehow, miraculously, wipe out the habitability of the *entire* planet...




What they said. 
 
The port can be replaced w/ infinitely greater ease than the city (and its people) can. All you need is someone to pony up the credits.

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Fixers0 wrote...

Paragons and Rengades may save the City, But logical people will save the space port.

How so? a spaceport can be rebuilt, lives can't.

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Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Paragons and Rengades may save the City, But logical people will save the space port.

How so? a spaceport can be rebuilt, lives can't.


And what about all that valuable military equipment what about all the  spaceships that are docked, what about all those Alliance Marines and Engineers stationed there Do they deserve to die?. these men and women are the ones who keep the world save.