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[Addai]

Lord_Anthonior wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

(husband)

Now...Now...

Even though Alistair's personal hygiene isn't the best....

and his socks smell like rotten eggs and sour milk....

   I still think he is a sweet guy and deserves a sweet minx like Leliana.

Well in that case having a sweet minx like Leliana as a wife and Queen should put and keep the king in high spirits to be in better mood to manage the realm of Ferelden, also in dealing with the chantry, and hopefully even an improvement in regards of personal hygiene, so that was a good point.

Orlesian trailer trash!  He could get better loitering around the Gnawed Noble.

[Giggles_Manically]

If he didnt break down and cry over Duncan and his daddy issues.

[errant_knight]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

In an alternate universe, yes, they hook up. But in normal DA, no.

This hypothesis presupposes that the female warden isn't in the picture, for one reason or another. Realistically, I think it also has to presuppose that Alistair isn't the king. The PC can convince Alistair to take a mistress, but it's not his instinct and it's not that easy.

[Herr Uhl]

errant_knight wrote...

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

In an alternate universe, yes, they hook up. But in normal DA, no.

This hypothesis presupposes that the female warden isn't in the picture, for one reason or another. Realistically, I think it also has to presuppose that Alistair isn't the king. The PC can convince Alistair to take a mistress, but it's not his instinct and it's not that easy.

It also presupposes that no warden is in the picture other than Alistair, as Leliana would be fawning over him/her in that case.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

errant_knight wrote...

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

In an alternate universe, yes, they hook up. But in normal DA, no.

This hypothesis presupposes that the female warden isn't in the picture, for one reason or another. Realistically, I think it also has to presuppose that Alistair isn't the king. The PC can convince Alistair to take a mistress, but it's not his instinct and it's not that easy.

This is the same hypothetical scenario that holds without a Warden (male or female) present to make major descsions, Alistair will side with Branka and keep the Anvil, slaughter the Dalish, cut a bargain with Howe, and Morrigan will be tagging along for the lawlz. I think this scenario also has Alistair as king (didn't get DSC, so I'm not certain on this) even though Eamon is dead. Though I think Alistair and leliana hooking up is not a totally bizarre, unlikely scenario, since the two get along pretty well in game. Alistair being king would not be a major factor, either, depending on circumstance.



So

[errant_knight]

Herr Uhl wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

In an alternate universe, yes, they hook up. But in normal DA, no.

This hypothesis presupposes that the female warden isn't in the picture, for one reason or another. Realistically, I think it also has to presuppose that Alistair isn't the king. The PC can convince Alistair to take a mistress, but it's not his instinct and it's not that easy.

It also presupposes that no warden is in the picture other than Alistair, as Leliana would be fawning over him/her in that case.

I guess that's true, hadn't thought of it like that....

[Giggles_Manically]

I dont get DSC to be honest.



Alistair kept the Anvil and sided with the Werewolves.

Both things he hates in Origins, yet choses to do in game.



On the whole DSC is like a poorly written AU episode of a good tv series.

[Collider]

Not a bad pair. Both decent people.

[errant_knight]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I dont get DSC to be honest.

Alistair kept the Anvil and sided with the Werewolves.
Both things he hates in Origins, yet choses to do in game.

On the whole DSC is like a poorly written AU episode of a good tv series.

Yes, truly a 'jump the shark' moment....

[Giggles_Manically]

errant_knight wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I dont get DSC to be honest.

Alistair kept the Anvil and sided with the Werewolves.
Both things he hates in Origins, yet choses to do in game.

On the whole DSC is like a poorly written AU episode of a good tv series.

Yes, truly a 'jump the shark' moment....

And Sten had the Reaver Spec.
Plus Howe was still alive.

WTH.

[errant_knight]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

In an alternate universe, yes, they hook up. But in normal DA, no.

This hypothesis presupposes that the female warden isn't in the picture, for one reason or another. Realistically, I think it also has to presuppose that Alistair isn't the king. The PC can convince Alistair to take a mistress, but it's not his instinct and it's not that easy.

This is the same hypothetical scenario that holds without a Warden (male or female) present to make major descsions, Alistair will side with Branka and keep the Anvil, slaughter the Dalish, cut a bargain with Howe, and Morrigan will be tagging along for the lawlz. I think this scenario also has Alistair as king (didn't get DSC, so I'm not certain on this) even though Eamon is dead. Though I think Alistair and leliana hooking up is not a totally bizarre, unlikely scenario, since the two get along pretty well in game. Alistair being king would not be a major factor, either, depending on circumstance.



So

Only if you take that DLC as canon and not AU crap. Personally, I think it's so far out of left field as to be unworthy of consideration. I can see them hooking up under certain circumstances, certainly. That was one of the only believable parts in that DLC, but I don't see him taking a mistress without the PC's influence, given his character in the game.

[errant_knight]

Say, it just occurred to me.... Is it possible that the DLC was conceived as being the opposite of true? I mean, was there anything in it that jives with in-game characterization/lore? That would take it from being just plain bad, to something slightly more interesting.

Modifié par errant_knight, 05 janvier 2011 - 06:45 .

[Giggles_Manically]

Seemed more like they wrote it over a coffee break and made choices so that people would have challenging fights.



Dont consider anything more than badly written fanfic to be honest.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

errant_knight wrote...

Only if you take that DLC as canon and not AU crap. Personally, I think it's so far out of left field as to be unworthy of consideration. I can see them hooking up under certain circumstances, certainly. That was one of the only believable parts in that DLC, but I don't see him taking a mistress without the PC's influence, given his character in the game.

I take the DLC as 100% AU crap, and very poorly written AU crap to boot, seemingly written by people who have not even basic clues as to the characters and their personalities in game. Leliana and Alistair hooking up was actually the only non-offensive part of the DLC, as it was not some bizarre, completely OOC aspect like everything else.

[errant_knight]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Only if you take that DLC as canon and not AU crap. Personally, I think it's so far out of left field as to be unworthy of consideration. I can see them hooking up under certain circumstances, certainly. That was one of the only believable parts in that DLC, but I don't see him taking a mistress without the PC's influence, given his character in the game.

I take the DLC as 100% AU crap, and very poorly written AU crap to boot, seemingly written by people who have not even basic clues as to the characters and their personalities in game. Leliana and Alistair hooking up was actually the only non-offensive part of the DLC, as it was not some bizarre, completely OOC aspect like everything else.

I concure entirely! Which makes me wonder if it wasn't on purpose. It's actually pretty hard to do something that badly.

[Face of Evil]

I'm not a fan of Darkspawn Chronicles, but I don't mind what they did with Alistair's characterization. To me, it just reinforced the need for the Warden.



Without you to support Alistair, he slips into a deep depression and ends up making a lot of decisions that he wouldn't even consider if he was in a normal frame of mind. Even if you and he weren't friends, you're still handling the burden of command and thus provide him the space he needs to deal with Duncan's death. And he has no one to act as a buffer between him and Morrigan's constant needling.



The Warden's path is a hard one. I found myself being gradually disheartened the further I went down it. Imagine what it would do to Alistair, especially if he failed to find the Urn of Sacred Ashes and never saved Arl Eamon on top of all the other hardships he has to deal with during the regular storyline.

[Addai]

Feh, I hate how the DLC makes the Warden seem so precious. The DLC was dumb front to back and there's no point discussing its story value. Leliana is fighting in a Chantry robe for Maker's sake.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Addai67 wrote...

Feh, I hate how the DLC makes the Warden seem so precious. The DLC was dumb front to back and there's no point discussing its story value. Leliana is fighting in a Chantry robe for Maker's sake.

Yes. it does tend to reinforce a "Sue" stigma on the Warden, that everything collapses if they aren't present. I think all of the companions, really, could manage pretty well on their own. DSC was an insult to a group of very well written pixels.

[Face of Evil]

People are too quick to throw out the Mary Sue label, in my opinion. Hero is important to the storyline? Hero is somewhat likeable? Hero actually succeeded at something? OMGWTF MARY SUUUUUUUE LOL

Modifié par Face of Evil, 05 janvier 2011 - 07:57 .

[Corker]

Addai67 wrote...

Feh, I hate how the DLC makes the Warden seem so precious. The DLC was dumb front to back and there's no point discussing its story value. Leliana is fighting in a Chantry robe for Maker's sake.

Although I don't actually disagree, I think it's a law somewhere that all stories following the "It's a Wonderful Life" model must show how the world would absolutely and totally suck if Protagonist weren't around.

[Face of Evil]

There are a few exceptions that are played for laughs. The protagonist learns that the world would be better off without him/her, but decides to go back purely out of spite.



Would it have been better if the Darkspawn Chronicles showed how the Warden was effectively useless and Alistair did as good a job — no, better! — without the Warden's presence?

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Face of Evil wrote...

People are too quick to throw out the Mary Sue label, in my opinion. Hero is important to the storyline? Hero is somewhat likeable? Hero actually succeeded at something? OMGWTF MARY SUUUUUUUE LOL

No, it's more a case of "hero so speshul that the fabric of space-time will unravel if their gloriousness is not around to hold it all together" label which applies to DSC. That without the warden, the companions are incapable of doing anything right, and the world is doomed without the all important guidance of the Warden.

[Corker]

Face of Evil wrote...

Would it have been better if the Darkspawn Chronicles showed how the Warden was effectively useless and Alistair did as good a job — no, better! — without the Warden's presence?

Yes!  Because the answer to one ridiculous extreme is obviously the opposite ridiculous extreme!



ETA: If DSC had to be made at all (which I'd say is arguable), then some actual thought into the AU would have been nice.  Templar army and Eamon dead?  Absolutely.  Probably Connor killed, too, since the Circle would be annulled and Alistair wouldn't use blood magic.  Werewolves and golems?  Just no.

Zevran in the Alienage?  Eh... maybe?  Seems awfully too close to the employer he skipped out on, but maybe.  Morrigan?  Morrigan?  No.  No no.

And so on.  Sure, it's going to be darker - Alistair's leading, people will die and he'll end up somewhere without any pants.  The hard-won victory at Denerim becomes a defeat - but it doesn't have to be a rout.

Modifié par Corker, 05 janvier 2011 - 08:14 .

[adneate]

Addai67 wrote...
Leliana is fighting in a Chantry robe for Maker's sake.

Which proof enough that he and Leliana would be a lousy couple, cheap bastard won't even buy her some proper leather armour. Oh sure he gets the decent new Templar armour but Leli gets nothing, guess what Al roses don't stop blades and wuv don't stop arrows. What a pig.

[Schratty]

You're mean, adneate



Re: Leliana/Alistair

I think the following sums up my feelings on this topic:

No.

Modifié par Schratty, 05 janvier 2011 - 08:15 .