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[jayred vas normandy]

for all the people that are ok with working with the geth, Y not cerberus?

Both groups have done things to cause Shep to kick some a**.

both have taken human life.

and both have stated that these were small factions, not the whole that caused the problems
in the first place.

so why dont we have the same hate for the geth that we do for TIM and cerberus.

i personally feel that the enemy of my enemy is my friend for the time beeing.

[Vaenier]

The Geth dont kill humans, the heretics kill humans. Geth donate large amount of money to human relief efforts. Geth are not a small fraction, they are the largest most powerful force in the galaxy at the moment. Heretics are just a small fraction that causes trouble.

Geth are to Heretics as the Alliance are to Cerberus. And Heretic hate is universal, so this argument is pointless.

Modifié par Vaenier, 05 janvier 2011 - 03:54 .

[AntiChri5]

A small faction of Cerberus is the problem? No, Cerberus is a small faction. A problematic one.

And compared to the Geth, Cerberus is nothing.

[xares23x]

the Geth don't experiment on human and others just to see what they look like on the inside Cerberus does



Geth have logically explained why the other geth(heretics) were attacking us



Cerberus does not give any remorse for it's action at all and there supposed to be the ones with emotions

[Asheer_Khan]

AH Yes... importance of ceberus for ME 3 final battle... i have dismissed that claim.

[Ryzaki]

Like the others have said heretic geth are a small portion of Geth.



Also Cerberus is plain boring and inept.

[Fixers0]

Because Cerberus are just a buch of pathetic terrorists with an even pathetic leader who thinks he is at tough guy.

[morrie23]

If the events of Retribution are incorporated into ME3, then Cerberus is going to be an even smaller faction relative to the geth.

[Teknor]

Ryzaki wrote...

Also Cerberus is plain boring and inept.

Yeah saving human colonies from a certain extinction and preventing a birth of a reaper is the epitomy of ineptitude.

[Taki17]

Because Cerberus can't be trusted. Look what happened with their projects. They couldn't handle the collector base responsibly.



Project Lazarus - The whole crew got killed, thanks to one single saboteur.

Pragia - Experiments failed, personel died, subjects died, a dangerous criminal escaped

Overlord - Project failed, personel died, almost unleashed a rogue VI

Derelict Reaper - The whole crew intdoctrinated and transformed into husks



So I don't think they results are very positive and convincing...

[Siegdrifa]

The big difference between Geth and Ceberus is:

Geth believe that each being should be free to achieve their own future.

Cerberus is human centric and certainely won't give a damn about the future of other aliens if it serve human intrest.



Now it's just comparing "respect" and "disrespect", no way they could get the same treatment.

[Teknor]

Yet all those experiments yielded profitable results.

Lazarus - Shepard is resurrected.
Pragia - Human biotic potential is better understood.
Overlord - The geth became controllable (Renegade Option)
Derelict Reaper - Reaper IFF gave access to Collector Base.

Edited to clarify.

Modifié par Teknor, 05 janvier 2011 - 04:29 .

[Taki17]

Thats true, but Shepard was responsible for the success of Lazarus, Overlord and the Reaper. The commander survived the mechs and managed to escape the station, shut down the rogue VI and also acquierd the IFF. And Shepard is not a member of Cerberus, he just works with them.

[StowyMcStowstow]

Teknor wrote...

Yet all those experiments yielded profitable results.

Lazarus - Shepard is resurrected.
Pragia - Human biotic potential is better understood.
Overlord - The geth became controllable.
Derelict Reaper - Reaper IFF gave access to Collector Base.

Yet everyone died.

I don't remember the Geth becoming controllable in overlord. There was one guy who could communicate with them, and if you chose the paragon option, he goes to an alliance place, and the only surviving Cerberus scientist is sent to prison. 

Also, in Mass Effect 1, Cerberus was just a bunch of kids compared to you. you shut down so many of their operations in such a rapid manner that you could have killed off their entire organization had the game let you. 

[Gibb_Shepard]

Teknor wrote...

Yet all those experiments yielded profitable results.

Lazarus - Shepard is resurrected.
Pragia - Human biotic potential is better understood.
Overlord - The geth became controllable (Renegade Option)
Derelict Reaper - Reaper IFF gave access to Collector Base.

Edited to clarify.

Lazarus - Yeah, he is. Pretty much their only experiment that didn't somehow backfire significantly.

Pragia - Tortured human children, pushed them to the epitome of pain and suffering. And what did they find out? "pain causes b3tt3r biotics, herpa derp" Morals come in at some point.

Overlord - LOL. If it wasn't for Shepard, that AI would have beamed itself off world, well and truely SCREWING the galaxy up.

Derelict Reaper - The entire Cerberus team got turned into husks, if it wasn't for SHEPARD, Cerberus would be sending in science crew by science crew until the place literally imploded due to over huskification. 

[Siegdrifa]

Teknor wrote...

Yet all those experiments yielded profitable results.

Lazarus - Shepard is resurrected.
Pragia - Human biotic potential is better understood.
Overlord - The geth became controllable (Renegade Option)
Derelict Reaper - Reaper IFF gave access to Collector Base.

Edited to clarify.

Make me think about how much they are not able to do the job properly (gladly, because the story would have been boring).

But in terme of science and experiment, it seems that salarian are far better and more efficient, mordin accomplish greater thing than ceberus and he never needed to exeperiment on living subject.

[Teknor]

I know Cerberus got lucky and if it was not for Shepard the experiments would be miserable failures but in the end positive results matter and Cerberus got them.

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Pragia - Tortured human children, pushed them to the epitome of pain and suffering. And what did they find out? "pain causes b3tt3r biotics, herpa derp" Morals come in at some point.

You can't dismiss Pragia as "pain causes b3tt3r biotics, herpa derp". Jack is obviously an improvement minus sociopathic tendecies.

Modifié par Teknor, 05 janvier 2011 - 04:49 .

[GreenDragon37]

Because Cerberus are racist terrorists who experiment and torture the very people they are sworn to protect. Legion gave us logical reasons that their was a schism within' Geth society, and believe in self-determination for all life.

In a nutshell: Geth have reason, Cerberus are hypocrites.

Modifié par GreenDragon37, 05 janvier 2011 - 04:48 .

[Northern Sun]

Let's not forget Chasca. Cerberus killed an entire colony of 150 people and transformed them into husks and then left them there for some random person(fortunately Shepard instead of unarmed civilians coming to join the colonization effort) to find.

[jayred vas normandy]

ok shep didn't know that there were diff factions of geth ontill talking to legion. and how much evidence is he given to back up this claim. not much. all im saying is u dont have to trust a group to work together towards a common goal, and all the cerberus hate just seems weird for the people that are cool taking legion at his word.

[GreenDragon37]

jayred vas normandy wrote...

ok shep didn't know that there were diff factions of geth ontill talking to legion. and how much evidence is he given to back up this claim. not much. all im saying is u dont have to trust a group to work together towards a common goal, and all the cerberus hate just seems weird for the people that are cool taking legion at his word.

Why should we take Cerberus at their word? They're completely hypocritical, and after all of the experiments that they've done in pre-ME1, ME 1, ME2, and post-ME2, we should just trust them?

Hell no! At least Legion didn't try to kill me! The Geth deserve an explanation. Cerberus, we've seen what they want, they have no shame in it. Even the Geth have "sorrow" for what happened in Morning War.

Modifié par GreenDragon37, 05 janvier 2011 - 04:55 .

[AntiChri5]

Legion itself is evidence of a Geth schism, and we have plenty of firet hand evidence of Cerberus incompetence and atrocities.



All that is ignoring the fact that Cerberus is a hundrep people and a rich guy in a chair while the Geth are the most powerful group in the galaxy.

[Siegdrifa]

Teknor wrote...

You can't dismiss Pragia as "pain causes b3tt3r biotics, herpa derp". Jack is obviously a improvement minus sociopathic tendecies.

Yep, and jack is the only crazy powerfull among human, if it wasn't the case then why only jack in the dossier?
Because to get a sociopathic killer on the team... it's desepereate and mean no other powerful biotic is left.

Wich mean in all this years, if improvement were made thank to experiement on jack (she was just a little when she turned into a powerfull biotic) it's not near to equal jack's ability.

Or... who would get the same training as jack? comon, it works ! it's just making you crazy. at least if you can survive.

: )

Modifié par Siegdrifa, 05 janvier 2011 - 04:56 .

[jayred vas normandy]

don't get me wrong after ME1 i had a bad taste from cerberus. but i would have to say i had just as much dislike for the geth. In ME2 i looked at the present actions of both and decided they were both lesser evils than what i was facing. so for the time being i would work with both.

[jayred vas normandy]

geth didnt experiment on humans but the sure made a lot of husk out of us.