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[jayred vas normandy]

also if u let CC die in ME1 the new CC is only lead but humans, all other race members are still members of their respective races. so they are all still represented.

[GreenDragon37]

jayred vas normandy wrote...

also if u let CC die in ME1 the new CC is only lead but humans, all other race members are still members of their respective races. so they are all still represented.

How is C-Sec being run by Humans help them with power? They still don't have a political voice, and they don't have diverse leaders in C-Sec either. That didn't really help them.

Losing the Council and getting replaced by all-Humans, doesn't help anyone but the Humans.

Modifié par GreenDragon37, 05 janvier 2011 - 08:57 .

[Barquiel]

jayred vas normandy wrote...

dean give the best example of dominance.

but just because ur dominant dosent mean your a dictator.

asari are dominant but not opressive.

u.s gov is dominant over state gov.

my boss is dominant over me at work

being the dominant power dosent mean that ur evil.

Cerberus i will admit need and oversight commitee but that where my shep comes in (oversight with a thermo clip)

I don't know your boss, but I have more confidence in the asari or my elected government than in TIM/Cerberus

[GreenDragon37]

Barquiel wrote...

jayred vas normandy wrote...

dean give the best example of dominance.

but just because ur dominant dosent mean your a dictator.

asari are dominant but not opressive.

u.s gov is dominant over state gov.

my boss is dominant over me at work

being the dominant power dosent mean that ur evil.

Cerberus i will admit need and oversight commitee but that where my shep comes in (oversight with a thermo clip)

I don't know your boss, but I have more confidence in the asari or my elected government than in TIM/Cerberus

Agreed. I know I'm not gonna get taken away and beaten/ experimented on because I didn't agree with the Council.

Modifié par GreenDragon37, 05 janvier 2011 - 08:56 .

[darth_lopez]

in refrence to the OP i support Cerberus's non-alien hating operations but people dislike Cerberus mostly because they are Human Chauvinistic. I'm Human Centric supporting our needs with out fail in most Sci-Fi ,unless it results in the death of entire worlds shame on you Space Marines, but some cerberus operations take it to an extreme and civillian humans and aliens are fair game for cerb. experiments. I'm pretty sure if they could purge the batarians they would willy nilly because the batarians dislike humans. They are essentially Space ***** (starts with N- ends it -zis for some reason it blocked it out Think National Socialist Party of WW2 germany if massive spelling hint didn't communicate the word)

Modifié par darth_lopez, 05 janvier 2011 - 09:01 .

[jayred vas normandy]

GreenDragon37 wrote...

jayred vas normandy wrote...

also if u let CC die in ME1 the new CC is only lead but humans, all other race members are still members of their respective races. so they are all still represented.

How is C-Sec being run by Humans help them with power? They still don't have a political voice, and they don't have diverse leaders in C-Sec either. That didn't really help them.

Losing the Council and getting replaced by all-Humans, doesn't help anyone but the Humans.

the council is not all human. no matter how u play the game . asari have an asari rep, turians have their rep. exc.

this council is only lead buy humans( human council chairman)

dont know where you get the idea that other races will let humans rep. them on council.

[GreenDragon37]

jayred vas normandy wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

jayred vas normandy wrote...

also if u let CC die in ME1 the new CC is only lead but humans, all other race members are still members of their respective races. so they are all still represented.

How is C-Sec being run by Humans help them with power? They still don't have a political voice, and they don't have diverse leaders in C-Sec either. That didn't really help them.

Losing the Council and getting replaced by all-Humans, doesn't help anyone but the Humans.

the council is not all human. no matter how u play the game . asari have an asari rep, turians have their rep. exc.

this council is only lead buy humans( human council chairman)

dont know where you get the idea that other races will let humans rep. them on council.

That's if you chose the middle choice. If you chose the Renegade choice to just let the Council die in ME 1, it becomes an All-Human Council in ME2.

So no, you are wrong about that.

[jayred vas normandy]

GreenDragon37 wrote...

jayred vas normandy wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

jayred vas normandy wrote...

also if u let CC die in ME1 the new CC is only lead but humans, all other race members are still members of their respective races. so they are all still represented.

How is C-Sec being run by Humans help them with power? They still don't have a political voice, and they don't have diverse leaders in C-Sec either. That didn't really help them.

Losing the Council and getting replaced by all-Humans, doesn't help anyone but the Humans.

the council is not all human. no matter how u play the game . asari have an asari rep, turians have their rep. exc.

this council is only lead buy humans( human council chairman)

dont know where you get the idea that other races will let humans rep. them on council.

That's if you chose the middle choice. If you chose the Renegade choice to just let the Council die in ME 1, it becomes an All-Human Council in ME2.

So no, you are wrong about that.

ok not afraid to admit when im wrong ( I guess i never did the full ren. end of ME1).

Modifié par jayred vas normandy, 05 janvier 2011 - 09:41 .

[jbblue05]

GreenDragon37 wrote...

That's if you chose the middle choice. If you chose the Renegade choice to just let the Council die in ME 1, it becomes an All-Human Council in ME2.

So no, you are wrong about that.

Their is no all-human council.

If you read the ME2 introduction it clearly says human-led Council. and I choose the Let the Council Die option everytime


But their are inconsistencies about humanity's role on the new council

[jayred vas normandy]

^ thats what i thought too, so am i wrong or not?

[jayred vas normandy]

 

Modifié par jayred vas normandy, 05 janvier 2011 - 10:12 .

[didymos1120]

Clone 071 wrote...
To complete Tali's pilgramage, you need to gather data from geth not corrupted by Sovereign's will.

No.  Tali says that's what she needs but so what?  Tali has no reason to believe there are any non-corrupted geth at that point. And, most importantly, that is not what actually happens.  You find that data in the final "Geth Incursions" base.  Now, for one, you fight husks at one of the geth outposts during that sidequest.  Well, Heretics are the ones who have the husk spikes.  For two, you can get that assignment two different ways:

1.  Just show up, and Hackett will tell you about the reports
2.  On Feros, in ExoGeni headquarters, the Heretic base on that world, you can hack a geth terminal.  Alternately, you can hack one on Virmire. You know: Saren's personal villainous lair of villainy? I.e., Heretics again. Either terminal contains intel that Saren's geth are planning an attack.

Also, in ME2 the geth venture just a little outside of their space to attack a vessel in N7: Immenent Ship Crash. Also, I doubt the geth on the planet Canalus in N7: Anomalous Weather Detected were Heretics.

OK, since Heretics are the only ones we know for certain have ventured out of the Veil in force to attack organics, and we also know that they still maintain their primary stations in or very near to the Veil, what's more likely:

a. the True geth did something completely unprecedented to the best of our available knowledge

or:

b. the Heretics were just doing the same kind of crap we've repeatedly witnessed them doing since Eden Prime?

Keep in mind that f*cking up the weather of planets is of zero interest to True Geth, who live in space and are mostly just building their super-hub while a few also have the task of cleaning up the ecological damage from the Morning War, whereas the Heretics have an active, ongoing interest in doing stuff that kills lots of people.  And that's the case no matter what you chose on Legions loyalty mission: as Legion informs us, there will still be relatively isolated pockets of Heretics left scattered about which will either eventually link up and be rewritten as well, or will have to be dealt with individually.

Ockham says....

It was Heretics!

[Konfined]

jbblue05 wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

That's if you chose the middle choice. If you chose the Renegade choice to just let the Council die in ME 1, it becomes an All-Human Council in ME2.

So no, you are wrong about that.

Their is no all-human council.

If you read the ME2 introduction it clearly says human-led Council. and I choose the Let the Council Die option everytime


But their are inconsistencies about humanity's role on the new council

Taken from Mass Effect wiki, take note of the statement in parenthesis:

Finally, the matter of the Council remains. If you chose to abandon the
Council, a human chairman will preside over a newly formed Council (a
wholly human Council, if you were a Renegade) with a choice between Udina or Anderson as chairman

  Some of you obviously need to brush up on your ME lore. 

Modifié par Konfined, 06 janvier 2011 - 12:00 .

[jbblue05]

Konfined wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

That's if you chose the middle choice. If you chose the Renegade choice to just let the Council die in ME 1, it becomes an All-Human Council in ME2.

So no, you are wrong about that.

Their is no all-human council.

If you read the ME2 introduction it clearly says human-led Council. and I choose the Let the Council Die option everytime


But their are inconsistencies about humanity's role on the new council

Taken from Mass Effect wiki, take note of the statement in parenthesis:

Finally, the matter of the Council remains. If you chose to abandon the
Council, a human chairman will preside over a newly formed Council (a
wholly human Council, if you were a Renegade) with a choice between Udina or Anderson as chairman

  Some of you obviously need to brush up on your ME lore. 

Where exactly did you get this on the wiki I can''t seem to find it anywhere.

I believe Bioware wanted to make an all-human council but they cut it in the end.  I keep getting human-led Council in the intro and no other NPC tells you the new Council  is all-human.

The wiki must be false because me and people I know who played it have never got the all-human Council and the wiki needs to be edited

Modifié par jbblue05, 06 janvier 2011 - 12:35 .

[Bearclaw9286]

jbblue05 wrote...

Konfined wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

That's if you chose the middle choice. If you chose the Renegade choice to just let the Council die in ME 1, it becomes an All-Human Council in ME2.

So no, you are wrong about that.

Their is no all-human council.

If you read the ME2 introduction it clearly says human-led Council. and I choose the Let the Council Die option everytime


But their are inconsistencies about humanity's role on the new council

Taken from Mass Effect wiki, take note of the statement in parenthesis:

Finally, the matter of the Council remains. If you chose to abandon the
Council, a human chairman will preside over a newly formed Council (a
wholly human Council, if you were a Renegade) with a choice between Udina or Anderson as chairman

  Some of you obviously need to brush up on your ME lore. 

Where exactly did you get this on the wiki I can''t seem to find it anywhere.

I believe Bioware wanted to make an all-human council but they cut it in the end.  I keep getting human-led Council in the intro and no other NPC tells you the new Council  is all-human.

The wiki must be false because me and people I know who played it have never got the all-human Council and the wiki needs to be edited

i don't know if that's what it says, but i always got the impression that it was going to be an all human council myself after the end of the first game, though that didn't make much sense to me

[didymos1120]

jbblue05 wrote...
Where exactly did you get this on the wiki I can''t seem to find it anywhere.

I believe Bioware wanted to make an all-human council but they cut it in the end.  I keep getting human-led Council in the intro and no other NPC tells you the new Council  is all-human.

The wiki must be false because me and people I know who played it have never got the all-human Council and the wiki needs to be edited

You're correct, but there is a difference if you went full-renegade.

"Concentrate on Sovereign" intro crawl (click to embiggen):



"Abandon the Council" intro crawl (click to embiggen):

[jayred vas normandy]

i looked for a while but couldn't find it. but it just dosent add up that races that had been around for as long as the other council races to just give up all rep.

[didymos1120]

jayred vas normandy wrote...

i looked for a while but couldn't find it. but it just dosent add up that races that had been around for as long as the other council races to just give up all rep.

You couldn't find it because the game doesn't say that.  See the images I posted above for both "Council is dead" variation. In both cases, it's a human-led Council, but in the full-Renegade version, it's implied that humanity has been more aggressive in that leadership role.

[jayred vas normandy]

^ thank u i didnt think i was wrong.

[CoolCR]

Its a continuity error but in Mass Effect Galaxy (Game set between ME1 & 2) the council is multi race so at some point the other three main race get back in even if you went all Renegade.



TIM is the only problem with Cerberus he has a full range of operations and operatives from the Cute cuddly Kelly and the Helping Jacob save the council to the dark dastardly evil of Kai Leng creation of a super husk that tries to give all human biotic reaserch and a crap tone of other medical info to the reapers bet he leaves that one out of the biography when he's letting history judge him.



There is simply no one to tell TIM take a step back this is OTT he has surounded him self with a bunch of yes men and fanatics (and sexy women in tight outfits).



Cerberus would be fine if it was like the special tasks group but as TIM never has to answer to anyone about anything he does well that a bit different.



He kill of political leaders just to get the result he wanted hes a terrorist end of.

[jayred vas normandy]

CoolCR wrote...

Its a continuity error but in Mass Effect Galaxy (Game set between ME1 & 2) the council is multi race so at some point the other three main race get back in even if you went all Renegade.

TIM is the only problem with Cerberus he has a full range of operations and operatives from the Cute cuddly Kelly and the Helping Jacob save the council to the dark dastardly evil of Kai Leng creation of a super husk that tries to give all human biotic reaserch and a crap tone of other medical info to the reapers bet he leaves that one out of the biography when he's letting history judge him.

There is simply no one to tell TIM take a step back this is OTT he has surounded him self with a bunch of yes men and fanatics (and sexy women in tight outfits).

Cerberus would be fine if it was like the special tasks group but as TIM never has to answer to anyone about anything he does well that a bit different.

He kill of political leaders just to get the result he wanted hes a terrorist end of.

he will answer to my Shep. once the reaper threat is handled, hope Biowear  give us the option at least.

[didymos1120]

CoolCR wrote...

Its a continuity error but in Mass Effect Galaxy (Game set between ME1 & 2) the council is multi race so at some point the other three main race get back in even if you went all Renegade.

It's debatable.  Udina does talk smack about creating an all-human council in a full-renegade ME1 ending, but I don't think having that fall through is a continuity error because it was never shown that he suceeded in that ambition.  The game ends about a minute after he says that, so no continuity was ever actually established. 

[jbblue05]

CoolCR wrote...

Its a continuity error but in Mass Effect Galaxy (Game set between ME1 & 2) the council is multi race so at some point the other three main race get back in even if you went all Renegade.

TIM is the only problem with Cerberus he has a full range of operations and operatives from the Cute cuddly Kelly and the Helping Jacob save the council to the dark dastardly evil of Kai Leng creation of a super husk that tries to give all human biotic reaserch and a crap tone of other medical info to the reapers bet he leaves that one out of the biography when he's letting history judge him.

There is simply no one to tell TIM take a step back this is OTT he has surounded him self with a bunch of yes men and fanatics (and sexy women in tight outfits).

Cerberus would be fine if it was like the special tasks group but as TIM never has to answer to anyone about anything he does well that a bit different.

He kill of political leaders just to get the result he wanted hes a terrorist end of.

How is Kai Leng evil?

I know he's not the nicest guy you could meet

STG is still a big mystery, Salarians are very secretive they tell you only waht they want you to know.