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[White_Buffalo94]

DA:O Was far superior to TESIV: Oblivion IMO. I spent hundreds of hours in ESIV, yet I never was as engaged as I was in DA:O because of the characters and companions were so deep and I fell in love with them

[Mccoyn]

Two worlds 2 looks good but if coming out right with Dragon age so, Dragon age will probably be more played.. But I have both on preorder

[White_Buffalo94]

What is Two Worlds II about?

[KnightCommander]

I think Two worlds should be good a defenate after DA2 but still sceptacle with da2 as only be following hawkes route and not a grey warden will have to wait and see.As for ESIV it is still my all time fave game the lenth of it and quests it has its faults as does da but is a much older game and now ESV is on its way in november we will see who is the best.Also has anybody considered Sorcery for the ps move as that is why i have bought one supposed to be out end of jan but think its going to be put back.

[P.Jay]

It's hard to compare an older RPG to something with more up-to-date graphics like DA. I haven't done much gaming recently due to an underpowered PC, but now that's fixed I've launched into DA and been blown away by it but in terms of a fantastic storyline Planescape Torment is right up there in my book (although sadly I never finished it).

[abaris]

I would disagree that Oblivion compares to Origins.

In Oblivion you play a solo without any ties to any other characters in the game. I liked it, but not as much as I liked Morrowind.

If you want to compare it to any other games, the Neverwinter series comes closest, but the personal relations between characters were still very rudimentary compared to Origins.

Btw, the one think bothering me graphicwise in Origins is the "waddle to the toilet" walk the characters assume when starting a fight.

Modifié par abaris, 13 janvier 2011 - 04:58 .

[KnightCommander]

That is true but graphic wise oblivion is much better/modern da2 hopefully will be better as when i first played it when it came out i thought i was playing a xmen game on my ps2 as 4 charectors and graphics.In some ways 1 player is better and others its not.It will be interesting to see what Es5 will be like in november as they have been working on it for 4 years...

[Zahe]

It is a good thing then that graphics really doesn't mean ****. In my experience are the ones that think graphics are important the same ones that can't be arsed to read and only want to blow **** up, in both cases they are in the wrong genre. Both the Neverwinter Nights and Baldur's Gate series are some of the best games I've ever played despite the fact that they only need as much hardware power as the average iPhone app.

Modifié par Zahe, 13 janvier 2011 - 05:43 .

[SalsaDMA]

Of the older games, Planescape torment ranks highest in my opinion. Graphics are outdated by todays standards, but I really liked that you could play the game in different ways, depending on your style.



Heck, you could even complete it in different ways too, and both with or without combating the 'final enemy'

[Paladin1650]

In a lot of ways no other game matches Dragon Age's quality, it is almost flawless. Morrowind and Oblivion have their own special charms though, because they give you more freedom, they are more of a true "fantasy simulation", and the world of elder scrolls is more creative and mysterious imo. Are these games actually as fun to play as Dragon Age? I'm not sure, it depends on your mood. Bioware RPGs are more about blowing through a dungeon and fun party based combat. Betheda RPGs are more about simulation and exploration of a real living fantasy world. As for Morrowind vs. Oblivion, Oblivion is basically just a stripped-down version of Morrowind with better graphics, so Morrowind is the closest competitor to Dragon Age.

Baldur's Gate 2 is a masterpiece of RPG design and contains more novel elements than any 3 other RPGs put together. I still think it is the best RPG ever made in every aspect except presentation, but the top-down graphical style is just not immersive enough for me anymore so I won't argue that it stands up to Dragon Age.  If Baldur's Gate 2 was recreated using the Dragon Age engine with all the voice acting, then it would be the better game due to the sheer amount of brilliant content.  Presentation is important, these are video games after all.  I don't want my RPG to be a game of chess and I don't want it to be a novel either.

Some people say Neverwinter Nights 1 and 2 were great but in my experience they seemed like very limited linear RPGs with sloppy control and camera, more like an action RPG or a fan-made mod than a true RPG. The Witcher also falls in this category, a good game for what it is, but not an ambitious RPG like Morrowind or Dragon Age.

So my my final answer would be that Baldur's Gate 2 and Morrowind are the only games that compare to Dragon Age.

Modifié par Paladin1650, 14 janvier 2011 - 11:50 .

[abaris]

Betheda RPGs are more about simulation and exploration of a real living fantasy world. As for Morrowind vs. Oblivion, Oblivion is basically just a stripped-down version of Morrowind with better graphics, so Morrowind is the closest competitor to Dragon Age.

I liked Morrowind a lot, because the concept was novel, but Oblivion didn't quite live up to its predecessor.

It seems that I wasn't the only one feeling that way, because even the modding community didn't pick up in the same way and variety they did with Morrowind. And I wouldn't call it a living fantasy world either. Hats off for trying, but they stopped along the way and left it pretty much at closing shop at nighttime.

Morrowind and the first Neverwinter series came out at about the same time. Then I liked Morrowind and Bethesda's approach better than Bioware's, but starting with NWN 2 and Oblivion, again at about the same time, tables were turned. Origins, at least for me, was again a novel concept and the best in a very long time.

[just a guy]

morrowind was a blast.

oblivion didn't resonate with me until the advent of the shivering isles, which gave it a much needed weirdness injection.

abaris wrote...

Betheda RPGs are more about simulation and exploration of a real living fantasy world. As for Morrowind vs. Oblivion, Oblivion is basically just a stripped-down version of Morrowind with better graphics, so Morrowind is the closest competitor to Dragon Age.

I liked Morrowind a lot, because the concept was novel, but Oblivion didn't quite live up to its predecessor.

It seems that I wasn't the only one feeling that way, because even the modding community didn't pick up in the same way and variety they did with Morrowind. And I wouldn't call it a living fantasy world either. Hats off for trying, but they stopped along the way and left it pretty much at closing shop at nighttime.

Morrowind and the first Neverwinter series came out at about the same time. Then I liked Morrowind and Bethesda's approach better than Bioware's, but starting with NWN 2 and Oblivion, again at about the same time, tables were turned. Origins, at least for me, was again a novel concept and the best in a very long time.

[akayasha]

I think the closest you could get would be Baldur's Gate 1 and 2. The Baldur's Gate series is a lot more challenging. If you don't mind the outdated graphics and the top-down perspective then you might like it. It has humor and in-depth characters.

[bussinrounds]

After i recently started playing BGT (Baldur's Gate Trilogy), i found myself not caring about the older graphics or not being able to control the camera, say. Because i was so blown away by how friggin AMAZING this game is !!! Bioware and d&d was a GREAT combo. It's a shame atari has the damn licence. But the 4th edition d&d is crap anyways.

[Mivo]

And I wouldn't call it a living fantasy world either. Hats off for trying, but they stopped along the way and left it pretty much at closing shop at nighttime.

That was a step up from Morrowind, though. Oblivion only shines after beefing it up with mods. Out of the box it was fairly "meh" for me. There are so many mods that add to the whole "living world feel", and to me, the game has always been more of an adventure game (not as in "Monkey Island", but as in "explore the world")  more than a traditional CRPG.

As for NWN (the original), the campaign that shipped with the game was pretty much only a demo for the toolset.  The toolset is what made it an unforgettable experience, and all the numerous modules that were made for it. The two expansions, especially the second one (Hordes of the Underdark), offered a much better experience. Who could ever forget Deekin?

NWN2, well, I only played the original game and it showed a little that it wasn't a Bioware game. I still enjoyed it (after I adjusted to the camera), and when I get some spare gaming time, I want to play the expansions too (already bought).

The Witcher ... well, personally, I only managed to get into it after I read the books that the game is based on. Those are quite fantastic, some of the best fantasy I've ever read (they haven't all been translated to English, only to German, which is the language I read them in -- the originals are in Polish). The game experience increases so much if you're familiar with the world, the characters, the culture and history of the different races.

DA, for me, is an outstanding experience, right up there with the BGs and IWD. Perhaps even better. As someone said, it's hard to compare current games with something we played years ago, but few games have immersed me as much.

[Augustei]

elder scrolls 4 was far inferior to Morrowind in awesomeness

[MadMoskus]

Dragon Age is good, but I think it's very far (in most ways) from the level of SW:KotOR. That one is, in my opinion, the best game of all time..

Modifié par MadMoskus, 15 janvier 2011 - 10:22 .

[akayasha]

The Witcher ... well, personally, I only managed to get into it after I read the books that the game is based on. Those are quite fantastic, some of the best fantasy I've ever read (they haven't all been translated to English, only to German, which is the language I read them in -- the originals are in Polish). The game experience increases so much if you're familiar with the world, the characters, the culture and history of the different races.

Yeah, I guess so. The book or series was extremely popular to the point where they tried to make a television show based off of it. That failed. Many people do say that the Witcher is a CRPG or at the least an amazing rpg. The Witcher 2 seems so much more better than the Witcher 1 that might be a classic =)? The Witcher 1 stands as a great rpg in my book because it is a lot darker and more mature. (For example addressing issues such as racism, sometimes there is no good choice)

[DarthCaine]

My top 5 RPGs:



01. Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic

02. Mass Effect 2

03. The Witcher

04. Dragon Age: Origins

05. Mass Effect

[Soul Reaver]

KOTOR totally blows DAO away in every possible aspect

[Darth Hawke]

Depends how you compare games.



Planescape: Torment's writing and story FAR exceeds DAO's, but it's very old and outdated and things like no voice acting ruin things for me.



If we're looking at traditional cRPGs KOTOR is the only one that's better.



And if we look at fantasy RPGs, The Witcher > DAO

[SOLID_EVEREST]

In terms of storyline and writing, I would say that Planescape: Torment, Fallout 1/2, and Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines blow Dragon Age out of the water. In terms of combat and beauty, the Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion and Demon's Souls are high up in gameplay.



If you really like games that implement choice and consequence well, you won't be disappointed with Alpha Protocol. I bought that game on Direct 2 Drive for like 7 bucks, and it blew me away how smartly written that game is.

[Paladin1650]

Wow, I'm surprised at the people saying KOTOR. I mean it was good, but I don't think it had the scope and size of a Morrowind, Baldur's Gate 2, or Dragon Age: Origins...did it? I wouldn't put it in the same league. I recall it being shorter even than Mass Effect 1. Plus I'm not sure I would compare fantasy RPGs to sci-fi RPGs because they are so different in what they are trying to do.

[ColaQueen]

If your looking for a good story, character choices, companionship and humorous dialogue then a lot of the Bioware games meet the criteria. Some may not be as big a map world or as well developed in combat but that's just because they are a bit older or limited by the partnership Bioware had at the time.



KOTOR and Jade Empire certainly meet the social requirements. They are a bit shorter in terms of game play but they both have a lot of personal choice, several NPCs for your to develop differing kinds of relationship and character development. They also contain a lot of fun dialogue, although characters don't have open conversations as your walking around though there are a few cutscene convos or interjections on your conversations which are pretty good. With these games depending on whether you are good or evil give you different experiences each time you play.



I think Dragon Age is kind of the next step from these games even though fantasy. To be honest I don't see how there is much difference between scifi or fantasy in these games except the setting. In Kotor you have Jedi instead of Mages, but it's still essentially magic. Light sabres instead of swords and guns instead of archery. However, you still have to kill things, solve puzzles, use some tatics in fighting, make choices in dialogue that effect the outcomes of quests or have later implications etc. The DAO gameplay may be a little bit more involved, but that's because it's an evolutionary step not a completely different style of game.



The story goals area always the same you are trying to stop something super bad from happening and develop yourself in the process.

[Bad King]

XxDeonxX wrote...

elder scrolls 4 was far inferior to Morrowind in awesomeness

I see a lot of people saying this . I liked them both equally.