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[thatbwoyblu]

Stanley Woo wrote...

And I'm not sure if I have to say it explicitly, but please be excellent to each other in this thread, thank you. Platform wars are never pretty.

LMFAO yall started these here platform wars.

[Moondoggie]

EM said what i have been thinking since the start of this thread. So much fuss over a poxy set of armor and a gun. Nerd rage is a scary thing.

[NormNd]

yeah i just hope they,at the very least, put the terminus gear as paid dlc for the xbox 360. I just read that the ps3 gets the terminus armor and gun for free until january 26, after that the terminus gear becomes paid dlc. Either way they still get it

[charmingcharlie]

Moondoggie wrote...

EM said what i have been thinking since the start of this thread. So much fuss over a poxy set of armor and a gun. Nerd rage is a scary thing.

Yeah almost as scary as your nerd rage against the nerd rage eh !  If the armour and gun are "poxy" then what is the problem with making this content available to ALL ME 2 customers ?  I mean surely if the items are so "poxy" and "crappy" they are not going to impact much on PS3 users buying the game if they offer the content to existing Mass Effect 2 customers.

[Pacifien]

Discussing differences between the various platforms either gameplay wise or content wise --> Not a platform war



Claiming someone is a whiny fanboy solely because they have a different platform --> Platform war

[Sparda Stonerule]

thatbwoyblu wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

And I'm not sure if I have to say it explicitly, but please be excellent to each other in this thread, thank you. Platform wars are never pretty.

LMFAO yall started these here platform wars.

Yes they did, but they want us to sort it out instead of actually explaining things and helping the situation mend itself.

I think I need to stay away from these forums until a new DLC is announced. There is too much hatred coming from everyone. People like Moondoggie and Elite Midget hate long standing fans. People like Terror_K and Iakus hate Bioware for their design choices in ME 2. This forum is just getting silly and hate filled. As if it wasn't already.

All I was suggesting is an even standard for all users. Why would that be so bad? The draw for PS3 users would just be that ME 2 is an awesome game. They even have a month to get some items for free. After that why not release it to everyone else who would like to experience it? It isn't a matter of hate and blame. It should just be a matter of giving everyone easy access to all the content of your game, no matter how small or inconsequential they are.

[Moondoggie]

charmingcharlie wrote...

Moondoggie wrote...

EM said what i have been thinking since the start of this thread. So much fuss over a poxy set of armor and a gun. Nerd rage is a scary thing.

Yeah almost as scary as your nerd rage against the nerd rage eh !  If the armour and gun are "poxy" then what is the problem with making this content available to ALL ME 2 customers ?  I mean surely if the items are so "poxy" and "crappy" they are not going to impact much on PS3 users buying the game if they offer the content to existing Mass Effect 2 customers.

Because the best way to encourage new customers is to give them something exclusive to them (although in this case it isn't really anything new it's a rehash of old promo material) What would be the point of saying "you'll get all the same stuff" when they can say "You get this armour and gun that PC and X Box users won't be getting" You need to give PS3 users reasons to want the game. There was a whole load of fuss made over the PS3 version being called "The definitive version" it's all simple marketing tactics used to encourage new people to get into the game who have not because they own a PS3. 

And yes the exclusive is very poxy personally i'd offer them something new as an exclusive but i imagine that would cause even more upset for non PS3 owners so it's probably a marketing idea too far.

[RPGmom28]

I agree about not wearing any armor that covers the head. Not worried about missing out on the freebies if I wouldn't use them anyway.

[Forsythia]

Sparda Stonerule wrote...


Yes they did, but they want us to sort it out instead of actually explaining things and helping the situation mend itself.

It probably comes down to this. When the PS3 version was announced, they made it seem like it would be a million times better, sprouting terms like 'definitive version'. Then the demo was released, and people soon realised ME2 PS3 will not be that different from the 360/PC version as BioWare claimed.

Then there's the news that the 'exclusive' interactive comic probably won't be as exclusive as previously thought.

So now, they have to give the PS3 crowd at least something for the long wait. Not that there was any wait to begin with, but you get the point.

While I don't like that the armour and the gun isn't released on 360/PC as a seperate download, I understand it could've been much worse.

[charmingcharlie]

Moondoggie wrote...

Because the best way to encourage new customers is to give them something exclusive to them (although in this case it isn't really anything new it's a rehash of old promo material) What would be the point of saying "you'll get all the same stuff" when they can say "You get this armour and gun that PC and X Box users won't be getting" You need to give PS3 users reasons to want the game.

Erm WTF how on earth does giving exclusive content to the PS3 encourage new people into the franchise.  The only people that would be encouraged to buy PS3 version just because it has content the 360 does not have is fanboys that want to somehow crow about it.  Do you have such a low opinion of PS3 users that you think  they will only buy this game on their console if PC/360 users lose out on some content ?  Mind you come to think of it does Bioware have such a low opinion of PS3 users that they think they have to do this exclusive crap.

The incentive to buy the PS3 version is already there it is Mass Effect 2 on the PS3 if you have a PS3 and you want to play the game on the PS3 you will buy it.  I notice they never bothered giving the PC any exclusive content did they ?  Hm nope the PC version got the same content as the 360 users, they never felt they needed to give the PC exclusive content to improve sales

[FredThePhoenix]

Let's see now.

- PS3 users are getting 'Mass Effect 2' 1 year after everyone else.
- PS3 users are paying the game full price when everyone else can get it today for 29.99$ or 19.99$ (not sure).
- PS3 users are NOT getting the original Mass Effect.

It's also kind of normal that BioWare wants to make the PS3 version of Mass Effect 2 attractive so we have a ton of little bonus in there. Let's face it, the Armor and the M-490 BlackStorm Heavy Weapon were available to you guys at one point. In fact, it was there for you about 1 year ago. And it's not 'free'. The PS3 version will be at full price. We're 'paying' for it.

I'm switching to the PS3 version January 18th and I'm glad BioWare is actually giving us small things here and there. Sometimes, some people get things and while others don't. I don't see tons of people whining about PS3 not getting the original Mass Effect. It's a fact of life. Being all whiny about it can't really help. If BioWare sees a lot of constructive demands for it on 360 and PC, they might want to add it.

I don't think they are trying to screw anyone over, really.

Modifié par FredThePhoenix, 06 janvier 2011 - 08:01 .

[Moondoggie]

charmingcharlie wrote...

Moondoggie wrote...

Because the best way to encourage new customers is to give them something exclusive to them (although in this case it isn't really anything new it's a rehash of old promo material) What would be the point of saying "you'll get all the same stuff" when they can say "You get this armour and gun that PC and X Box users won't be getting" You need to give PS3 users reasons to want the game.

Erm WTF how on earth does giving exclusive content to the PS3 encourage new people into the franchise.  The only people that would be encouraged to buy PS3 version just because it has content the 360 does not have is fanboys that want to somehow crow about it.  Do you have such a low opinion of PS3 users that you think  they will only buy this game on their console if PC/360 users lose out on some content ?  Mind you come to think of it does Bioware have such a low opinion of PS3 users that they think they have to do this exclusive crap.

The incentive to buy the PS3 version is already there it is Mass Effect 2 on the PS3 if you have a PS3 and you want to play the game on the PS3 you will buy it.  I notice they never bothered giving the PC any exclusive content did they ?  Hm nope the PC version got the same content as the 360 users, they never felt they needed to give the PC exclusive content to improve sales

1. The PC version came out at the same time as the X Box 360 the PS3 users had to wait a whole year (almost) let's at least throw them a bone of some sort.

2. Let's face facts the PS3 is a much bigger market than PC for games i'd imagine exclusives wouldn't boost sales for PC to any more significant ammount anyway so it'd be a worthless excersise. For PS3 however it's more worth it.

You have a wonderfull way with debates it's a shame you use it to debate such insignificant things. You'd make a lovely politician.

Modifié par Moondoggie, 06 janvier 2011 - 08:01 .

[Forsythia]

FredThePhoenix wrote...

- PS3 users are getting Mass Effect 1 year after everyone else.

They didn't even know there was going to be a PS3 version of Mass Effect 2. They should be glad the game is coming to the platform at all. I'm not whining I'm not seeing Heavy Rain on Xbox 360, if I want it, I will buy a PS3. But if that game somehow magically makes it to 360, I'm not going to whine it's a few years later, I will be happy!

- PS3 users are paying the game full price when everyone else can get it today for 29.99$ or 19.99$ (not sure).

Well, guess what, a lot of people did pay full price for Mass Effect 2 when it was released. That version had less content then the PS3 version at release. I don't care the DLC is included in the PS3 version, but don't make it out like I payed less when in fact I payed more.

- PS3 users are NOT getting the original Mass Effect.

Talk to Microsoft about that. It's a shame PS3 users won't get the full experience, because the comic sure isn't a substitute for ME1.

I don't think they are trying to screw anyone over, really.

No, I don't think so either, it's just a business decision.

[charmingcharlie]

Moondoggie wrote...

1. The PC version came out at the same time as the X Box 360 the PS3 users had to wait a whole year (almost) let's at least throw them a bone of some sort.

No it didn't, the 360 version was released in November 2007.  The PC version wasn't released till May/June 2008.  Not quite a year after the 360 version but still a significant wait.

Moondoggie wrote...      2. Let's face facts the PS3 is a much bigger market than PC for games i'd imagine exclusives wouldn't boost sales to any more significant ammount anyway so it'd be a worthless excersise.

Not really there are at least 30 million PC gamers on steam alone and that is just one PC gaming service.  The issue here is that they are making content exclusive to the PS3 to improve sales.  Surely they should have done that with the PC platform as well.

Moondoggie wrote...You have a wonderfull way with debates it's a shame you use it to debate such insignificant things. You'd make a lovely politician.

You may think it is insignificant I don't, I consider myself a customer and I have to ask myself if Bioware are quite happy to do this then they quite clearly do not appreciate my custom.  As an ME 2 customer I expect to be able to access the same content as other ME 2 customers.  I am not asking for more than PS3 ME 2 customers I am asking to be treated the same as PS3 ME 2 customers.

[shinobi602]

Moondoggie wrote...

It's not exclusive content it was available to both PC and X Box 360 users before PS3 ever got the game. Oh and if you want to talk about exclusive content? Pick up that shiny box containing Mass Effect. A game that PS3 users won't have. Still upset about some armor and a gun now?

It's not like Mass Effect series was ever originally intended to come to PS3 from the very beginning. You're acting as if it was always supposed to come to the PS3 too, and the poor owners were forced to wait years to play the franchise.

Sorry, but that's bull. It's a BONUS they're even getting the game. They were never waiting for anything.

Stanley Woo, there's no problem with letting more gamers enjoy the game, but it's not right to make something free for one group of players and not make it available for the other groups of players, incidentally, your biggest fanbase....

Modifié par shinobi602, 06 janvier 2011 - 08:13 .

[Moondoggie]

charmingcharlie wrote...

Moondoggie wrote...

1. The PC version came out at the same time as the X Box 360 the PS3 users had to wait a whole year (almost) let's at least throw them a bone of some sort.

No it didn't, the 360 version was released in November 2007.  The PC version wasn't released till May/June 2008.  Not quite a year after the 360 version but still a significant wait.

Moondoggie wrote...      2. Let's face facts the PS3 is a much bigger market than PC for games i'd imagine exclusives wouldn't boost sales to any more significant ammount anyway so it'd be a worthless excersise.

Not really there are at least 30 million PC gamers on steam alone and that is just one PC gaming service.  The issue here is that they are making content exclusive to the PS3 to improve sales.  Surely they should have done that with the PC platform as well.

Moondoggie wrote...You have a wonderfull way with debates it's a shame you use it to debate such insignificant things. You'd make a lovely politician.

You may think it is insignificant I don't, I consider myself a customer and I have to ask myself if Bioware are quite happy to do this then they quite clearly do not appreciate my custom.  As an ME 2 customer I expect to be able to access the same content as other ME 2 customers.  I am not asking for more than PS3 ME 2 customers I am asking to be treated the same as PS3 ME 2 customers.

The FIRST game was released in November 2007.PS3 won't even be getting that one.

The second was released January 26, 2010 the same day as the X Box 360 version.

[Terastar]

I am a PC player who came late to the party.Because I came late I missed out on some goodies. So what? I still love and play the game. I still can kick butt. So not having this stuff doesn't matter.

When you come late to the party some things are already gone that's LIFE.

Maybe after awhile the party giver may come to us and say 'Hey, I remember you came late to my party and didn't receive this gift.Here you go you can have it now."

OR maybe not and that's okay too that's life and life does not have to be fair or owes you anything.

[Someone With Mass]

I don't think it's such a big deal (at least to me) because I think that armor and weapon kinda sucks compared to what downloadable weapons and armor I already have, like the Kestrel armor and Arc Projector.



But hey, if it improves sales, that's great.

[magnuskn]

Well, it'd be nice if we'd get the missing gear on our platforms from the collectors edition one year after release of the game at least as a buyable DLC.

[joltmajor]

 Seriously, stop whining charmingcharlie it's really annoying.
I don't get what all the negative fuss is about, I pre-ordered the PC version and got Terminus and Blackstorm.  The PS3 players are getting a similar limited time offer to acquire those items at no additional cost.
(P.S. You're not missing much.  Especially the Blackstorm—it's worthless on harder difficulties)

I'll be picking up a PS3 copy of ME2 simply because I want a save file for ME3, since I enjoy playing on my 42" Plasma TV over my 20" computer monitor, despite the graphical inferiority of the PS3 version.

But on the most important note, will the PS3 players be getting that bugged (perfect accuracy for squadmates or something) DLC sniper rifle, Incisor I think it was?

[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/devil.png[/smilie]

Modifié par joltmajor, 06 janvier 2011 - 08:24 .

[charmingcharlie]

Moondoggie wrote...

The FIRST game was released in November 2007.PS3 won't even be getting that one.

That is Mass Effect 1 I am not talking about Mass Effect 1 a solution has already been devised to counter the fact PS3 users will not have access to Mass Effect 1.  The fact is the PC version was not given preferencial treatment just because we got Mass Effect 1 late.  We didn't get exclusive content to "compensate" us and nor would I be happy if we had.  I firmly believe all platforms should be treated equally when it is a multi platform game.

Moondoggie wrote... The second was released January 26, 2010 the same day as the X Box 360 version.

Yes so by Mass Effect 2 Bioware decided to treat PC and 360 gamers equally.  Just like ME 3 will now see a simultaneous release on all 3 platforms which is only proper.  The issue here is that Bioware are now clearly showing platform preference in favour of the PS3.  I didn't like it when they showed platform preference towards the 360 so why should I be happy they are now showing platform preference towards the PS3 ?

As a Mass Effect 2 customer I expect to be allowed access to the same content as any other Mass Effect 2 customer no matter what platform they are on.  You obviously can't understand that and seem to think PS3 users "deserve" preferential treatment and that is your opinion.  I happen to think differently and I don't appreciate Bioware telling me that my money isn't good enough for them now.

Modifié par charmingcharlie, 06 janvier 2011 - 08:28 .

[Stanley Woo]

Second warning: play nice, everyone, or this thread will be closed.

[didymos1120]

joltmajor wrote...
But on the most important note, will the PS3 players be getting that bugged (perfect accuracy for squadmates or something) DLC sniper rifle, Incisor I think it was?

[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/devil.png[/smilie]

If the DLC pack it's in is included, yes.  If it's not, then also yes, provided they pay for it. 

[Gemini1179]

My only reaction to this is that the Terminus Armor and Blackstorm gun were not available for ALL 360/PC players at launch, whereas they are available for ALL PS3 players regardless of where they purchased the game. I don't really care if it comes to the 360/PC players as paid dlc- then at least I'd have the choice.

[Spartas Husky]

Now that my friend got all the dlc's for a discount, I now hope ps3 gets all of them for the same price.



Either that or see if the ps3 can do the same license transfer thing to get free dlc's like the 360 can.



Either way hope they get everything too.