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[Eddo36]

Tali doesn't want her father to be known as a war criminal, and that's understandable. But despite Rael'Zorah's good intentions, he has done what he did (activated Geth in the Fleet to experiment), and what he has done costed Quarian lives and put the entire Migrant Fleet at risk. Should it be fair for other law-abiding Quarians that his actions were covered up so he can't be punished for his actions posthumously?

[HappyHappyJoyJoy]

What good would come out of it? Rael'Zorah is already dead.

[Eddo36]

Other than proving Tali innocent?

Someone slashed your mother's throat and got away with it, and died later, his identity as the killer never revealed. People will always remember him as a good citizen who donated to charities. Shrugs, he's already dead so no good will come out of revealing his evil deed.

Modifié par Eddo36, 06 janvier 2011 - 07:08 .

[HappyHappyJoyJoy]

The charges against Tali are absurd, and doing the Paragon/Renegade rant - or inciting the crowd - will show that. You can prove Tali innocent if you want by showing the evidence anyway, just expect repercussions.

Your comparison is silly. Rael experimented on Geth, woke them up and got slaughtered for it. He got what was coming to him.

[Eddo36]

He got what was coming to him. And everyone on the ship. And the Quarian marines who went in. I see that you feel his death was punishment enough. Rather than having his deeds be known to the Quarians so that they can adopt more strict policies and safeguards so something stupid like that won't happen again.

And to other Quarians who were punished posthumously for their crimes, is it fair that Rael got away with his crime?

Modifié par Eddo36, 06 janvier 2011 - 07:17 .

[HappyHappyJoyJoy]

It seems like you've made up your mind, why did you bother starting a thread?

[Eddo36]

Expressing my thoughts on it, and seeing other people's thoughts. Isn't that the point of a forum?

[marshalleck]

Eddo36 wrote...

 Rather than having his deeds be known to the Quarians so that they can adopt more strict policies and safeguards so something stupid like that won't happen again.

They already had restrictions in place. He circumvented them. What good are more rules if they're just going to be ignored?

[Katamariguy]

I want to do the "right" thing, but his punishment is rather harsh.

[Eber]

There is an overriding principle to the morality system and it's that the paragon choice has the best outcome. Losing Tali's loyalty is bad so a paragon action can't have that outcome. This is why you get renegade points for acting honestly in this one case.

Modifié par Eber, 06 janvier 2011 - 07:23 .

[GodWood]

I exposed him for the war criminal he was.

Modifié par GodWood, 06 janvier 2011 - 07:28 .

[Eddo36]

marshalleck wrote...

Eddo36 wrote...

 Rather than having his deeds be known to the Quarians so that they can adopt more strict policies and safeguards so something stupid like that won't happen again.

They already had restrictions in place. He circumvented them. What good are more rules if they're just going to be ignored?

Obviously not enough restrictions.

[Eddo36]

Katamariguy wrote...

I want to do the "right" thing, but his punishment is rather harsh.

It is harsh, indeed. But each race/culture has their own laws.

[marshalleck]

Eddo36 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Eddo36 wrote...

 Rather than having his deeds be known to the Quarians so that they can adopt more strict policies and safeguards so something stupid like that won't happen again.

They already had restrictions in place. He circumvented them. What good are more rules if they're just going to be ignored?

Obviously not enough restrictions.

He knew the restrictions. He ignored the restrictions. You add more restrictions, he would have ignored those as well. What have you accomplished? Nothing. 

The only thing rules and laws are good for is keeping honest people honest. 

Modifié par marshalleck, 06 janvier 2011 - 07:27 .

[HappyHappyJoyJoy]

Eddo36 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Eddo36 wrote...

 Rather than having his deeds be known to the Quarians so that they can adopt more strict policies and safeguards so something stupid like that won't happen again.

They already had restrictions in place. He circumvented them. What good are more rules if they're just going to be ignored?

Obviously not enough restrictions.

Have you considered a career as a politician?

[Eddo36]

marshalleck wrote...

Eddo36 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Eddo36 wrote...

 Rather than having his deeds be known to the Quarians so that they can adopt more strict policies and safeguards so something stupid like that won't happen again.

They already had restrictions in place. He circumvented them. What good are more rules if they're just going to be ignored?

Obviously not enough restrictions.

He knew the restrictions. He ignored the restrictions. You add more restrictions, he would have ignored those as well. What have you accomplished? Nothing. 

The only thing rules and laws are good for is keeping honest people honest. 

It's a case of lots of rules. No enforcement.

[marshalleck]

Eddo36 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Eddo36 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Eddo36 wrote...

 Rather than having his deeds be known to the Quarians so that they can adopt more strict policies and safeguards so something stupid like that won't happen again.

They already had restrictions in place. He circumvented them. What good are more rules if they're just going to be ignored?

Obviously not enough restrictions.

He knew the restrictions. He ignored the restrictions. You add more restrictions, he would have ignored those as well. What have you accomplished? Nothing. 

The only thing rules and laws are good for is keeping honest people honest. 

It's a case of lots of rules. No enforcement.

Okay. How do you enforce rules on a dead guy?

[Eddo36]

Builds deterrance for other would-be law breakers. Set the record right with honesty. Explain to the families of those Quarians who lost their lives who really got their loved ones killed. Keep those in power (Admiralty Board) in check.

[Rip504]

I play as a Paragon Male Shepard. If Tali killed in cold blood,or say Legion had an accident. I would still cover up for Tali. Problem?

Geth killed their families.

Modifié par Rip504, 06 janvier 2011 - 07:35 .

[Eddo36]

Say someone set up a bomb in your house. The bomb killed your family, not the guy who did it.

[marshalleck]

Eddo36 wrote...

Builds deterrance for other would-be law breakers. Set the record right with honesty. Explain to the families of those Quarians who lost their lives who really got their loved ones killed. Keep those in power (Admiralty Board) in check.

You didn't answer my question. How do you enforce laws on a dead person? Do you publicly flog the corpse? 

Modifié par marshalleck, 06 janvier 2011 - 07:37 .

[Eddo36]

marshalleck wrote...

Eddo36 wrote...

Builds deterrance for other would-be law breakers. Set the record right with honesty. Explain to the families of those Quarians who lost their lives who really got their loved ones killed. Keep those in power (Admiralty Board) in check.

You didn't answer my question. How do you enforce laws on a dead person? Do you publicly flog the corpse? 

You would know if you play that quest in ME2.

[marshalleck]

Eddo36 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Eddo36 wrote...

Builds deterrance for other would-be law breakers. Set the record right with honesty. Explain to the families of those Quarians who lost their lives who really got their loved ones killed. Keep those in power (Admiralty Board) in check.

You didn't answer my question. How do you enforce laws on a dead person? Do you publicly flog the corpse? 

You would know if you play that quest in ME2.

Another dodge. I did play it, by the way. There's no option to make more rules, so I thought we were having a hypothetical/philosophical discussion. 

[Eddo36]

No option because Shepard is not Admiralty Board. Admiralty Board said they will discuss it behind closed doors at end of trial.