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[Augustei]

So Flemeth seems to have a link to the ancient tevinter magisters who entered the golden city and the darkspawn, This is just something that i recently picked up on, Not really sure if it has been mentioned before or not and its not really much to go on but nevertheless here it is:

So during Dragon age Origins we are tasked with retreiving Flemeth's Grimoire in which morrigan explains that it can be identified by a Large Symbol eblazoned on the front of a leafless tree.

During the Origins intro movie, When it is explaining that the Magisters of Tevinter entered the golden city and destroyed it and were cast out to become the first of the darkspawn. Before it actually shows them as Darkspawn  but just after it explains they destroyed Heaven. It shows the same symbol surronded by a border. Of a Leafless tree, The one Morrigan explained was on Flemeths Grimoire. Is it just a cowincidence the the heraldry of Flemeth is shown to us in this movie as the tevinter magisters downfall to become the darkspawn is explained or is it hinting at something?

What are your opinions?

[Raonar]

Well, I myself have been entertaining the idea that Flemeth is either an old god (Razikale maybe) or Fen'Harel, the deceiver god of the Elves that sealed the creators and the bad gods away.



Now I wonder if maybe the so-called Old Gods are the same as the dark gods sealed in that legend... then we have to wonder who the GOOD gods (creators) are and where they are (Maybe where Morrigan went? Although it was a bit too dark purple-ish behind that Eluviane).

[Augustei]

Yeah there was indeed something up with the colors spewing out of that mirror

[Brockololly]

Yeah, I don't know if the leafless tree has any deeper meaning or if its just an artistic touch they threw into the intro movie, but I've noticed the connection between that and Flemeth's grimoire.



Maybe more telling is in Witch Hunt where, if you play as an Orlesian Warden and ask Morrigan about Flemeth, Morrigan will say something to the effect that Flemeth played a larger role in the Blight than even you realize. COmbined with how Morrigan and Flemeth seem to have designs on an Old God Baby, there is definitely some sort of connection there between Flemeth and the darkspawn.

[EnforcerGREG]

I think everyone is agreed that the tale of flemeth song by the bards is probally far from the truth.



Could it be that Flemeth is not her auctual name and she merly took the legened of Flemeth the chasind speak off to further her own goals.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Brockololly wrote...

Yeah, I don't know if the leafless tree has any deeper meaning or if its just an artistic touch they threw into the intro movie, but I've noticed the connection between that and Flemeth's grimoire.

Maybe more telling is in Witch Hunt where, if you play as an Orlesian Warden and ask Morrigan about Flemeth, Morrigan will say something to the effect that Flemeth played a larger role in the Blight than even you realize. COmbined with how Morrigan and Flemeth seem to have designs on an Old God Baby, there is definitely some sort of connection there between Flemeth and the darkspawn.

it was suggested there was a connection between Flemmeth and the architect. The Architect was, after all, the one who started the Blight, even by accident. And the Blight first showed itself in the kocari wilds, where Flemmeth holds domain.

[Brockololly]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...
it was suggested there was a connection between Flemmeth and the architect. The Architect was, after all, the one who started the Blight, even by accident. And the Blight first showed itself in the kocari wilds, where Flemmeth holds domain.

Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if Flemeth "awakened" the Architect, but that connection is never really made explicit in the game, is it?

But yes, the Blight did seem to spring up deep in the Korcari Wilds first and coincidentally, avoided Flemeth's hut...yeah right....

[Reika]

Actually, if you talk to Morrigan or Flemeth about it, they both say that Flemeth's magic was keeping the area protected for the moment.



But she did seem to know way too much about the Blight.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Yeah. That's why though not explcit, it is heavily hinted. Flemmeth seems to know alot about this Blight, and the Architect was the one who started it. Either she is aware of the Architect's existance, or she has far more personal involvement in that situation. Even the Architect doesn't know how he became awakened. And Flemmeth is very ancient, and seems to know an aweful lot about the old gods and forgotten rituals, hence the DR.

[Last Darkness]

My theory is Flemeth is the origenal god baby. A untainted old god born into human form.

[Brockololly]

Last Darkness wrote...

My theory is Flemeth is the origenal god baby. A untainted old god born into human form.

I like it.

One wonders how she knows about the whole Dark Ritual and how she is so confident it works if it hasn't been done before.

[Last Darkness]

Brockololly wrote...

Last Darkness wrote...

My theory is Flemeth is the origenal god baby. A untainted old god born into human form.

I like it.

One wonders how she knows about the whole Dark Ritual and how she is so confident it works if it hasn't been done before.

Exactly, has the knowledge written down on how to exactly do it for Morrigan use. Amoung other things plus also you know that she isnt human, shes not a abomination as Morrigan says "Shes something else". We dont know if the Wardens had one die to kill every Archdemon so far, we can only confirm the Elf Warden died killing the Archdemon in the last blight. Im going to with this theory since it seems to fit the Facts we know about Flemeth better.
Also the writers could always make her something unknown. If your familiar with the works of HP lovecraft I get a very Nyarlathotep feeling about Flemeth. Many Masks, Many Forms.

[Reika]

Last Darkness - Yeah, agreed about the HP old one feel with Flemeth. Though not as insane or insanity inducing. Yet.



Curious to see what they have about her in DA2.

[Last Darkness]

Reika wrote...

Last Darkness - Yeah, agreed about the HP old one feel with Flemeth. Though not as insane or insanity inducing. Yet.

Curious to see what they have about her in DA2.

Im hoping shes a bad ass mage companion lol with actual useful shapeshifting.

[Reika]

I doubt they'd make her a companion, but from what it sounds like she shows up every so often.

[Augustei]

Reika wrote...

I doubt they'd make her a companion, but from what it sounds like she shows up every so often.

Yeah.. it would sort of ruin it for me, were she made a companion

[FaeQueenCory]

EnforcerGREG wrote...

I think everyone is agreed that the tale of flemeth song by the bards is probally far from the truth.

Could it be that Flemeth is not her auctual name and she merly took the legened of Flemeth the chasind speak off to further her own goals.

I have to disagree. There is no reason to believe that Flemeth was lying to Morrigan. And, like Yeshua (that's Jesus to those who don't know), if you strip the story to the basics... It's a very believeable and simple tale. The only difference between the two versions (bards' and Flemeth's) is the involvement of demons.
Her origin is that she was a human woman near Highever, was in love with a minstral, was then proposed to by the ruling lord in exchange for giving her love lots of money, the lord betrayed her, she got pissed, revenge.

My theory why she agreed to this is because I think that this was her first power-play. I feel like she was planning to have her love become a low lord using the huge fortune he was going to recieve, and then eventually place the two of them as ruling lord and lady of Highever. But that's just my opinion.

However, I have no opinion on what she is made of... Fen'Harel theory is amusing... but I don't completely buy it. And, honestly, until there is more information, the most likely theory right now is that she is what she says she is.

[White_Buffalo94]

Raonar wrote...

Well, I myself have been entertaining the idea that Flemeth is either an old god (Razikale maybe) or Fen'Harel, the deceiver god of the Elves that sealed the creators and the bad gods away.

Now I wonder if maybe the so-called Old Gods are the same as the dark gods sealed in that legend... then we have to wonder who the GOOD gods (creators) are and where they are (Maybe where Morrigan went? Although it was a bit too dark purple-ish behind that Eluviane).

Actually, on my old account on these forums I made a list compiled of evidence (Or so I call it anyway) that suggests the Old Gods are in fact the Gods of the Elven Pantheon.

Dumat, the Dragon of Silence - Falon'Din, Elven God of the Dead, which is to say, silence of life.


Zazikel,
the Dragon of Chaos - Andruil, Goddess of the hunt, and by extension
nature. Morrigan stated that "the very nature of nature is chaotic."


Toth, the Dragon of Fire - Sylaise, Goddess of the Hearth, the goddess who bestowed fire upon the elves.


Andoral,
the Dragon of Chains - Elgar'nan, the God of Vengeance was a difficult
one for me to match up, but perhaps the Old God of Chains is the
counterpart for the Elven God of Vengeance due to a vengeful attitude
being a personal prison of some sort.


Urthemiel, the Dragon of Beauty - June, the Elven God of Craft, also may mean the God of the creation of things beautiful.


Razikale, the Dragon of Mystery - Dirthamen, Elven God of Secrets.


Lusacan,
the Dragon of Night - Mythal, the Great Protector, also the Elven
Goddess said to have created the moon and tell the sun to come to the
earth only in the day time, and thus separating the day into day and
NIGHT.


Ghilan'nain and Fen'Harel
don't have to count because Fen'Harel is considered neutral for
tricking both the "good gods" and the "bad gods". Ghilan'nain was
actually just an elf to start with, a disciple of Andruil, so that
knocks the elven pantheon down to seven, the exact number of Old Gods.

[White_Buffalo94]

Brockololly wrote...

Yeah, I don't know if the leafless tree has any deeper meaning or if its just an artistic touch they threw into the intro movie, but I've noticed the connection between that and Flemeth's grimoire.

Maybe more telling is in Witch Hunt where, if you play as an Orlesian Warden and ask Morrigan about Flemeth, Morrigan will say something to the effect that Flemeth played a larger role in the Blight than even you realize. COmbined with how Morrigan and Flemeth seem to have designs on an Old God Baby, there is definitely some sort of connection there between Flemeth and the darkspawn.

The connection may simply be the idea that Flemeth in some way helped the Architect locate Urthemiel (Who cannot find him on his own due to being awakened) so she could have Morrigan get pregnant, possess her body, and either absorb the Old Gods' soul or raise it to be her pawn

[Augustei]

The Andoral pairup actually makes sense to me, Zazikel is a bit of a shot in the dark IMO tho

[White_Buffalo94]

XxDeonxX wrote...

The Andoral pairup actually makes sense to me, Zazikel is a bit of a shot in the dark IMO tho

Yeah, as soon as I read up on the Old Gods, I thought of that line Morrigan puts out there and I thought it could be a connection

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

White_Buffalo94 wrote...

The connection may simply be the idea that Flemeth in some way helped the Architect locate Urthemiel (Who cannot find him on his own due to being awakened) so she could have Morrigan get pregnant, possess her body, and either absorb the Old Gods' soul or raise it to be her pawn

In the Calling, the Architect recruits a couple of Wardens, who actually know of all the locations of the old gods, so that is more likely the source of the Architect's information (the dwarf, Utha, was one of the wardens he recruited in the Calling).

The Architects birth as an Awakened darkspawn, however, is a much bigger mystery, and one I wonder if Flemmeth had a hand in.

[White_Buffalo94]

Perhaps I should read The Calling

[Augustei]

Utha didn't know the locations of the old gods tho, It was only Bregan who did... I didn't really like the calling all that much tho.. Nowhere near as good as The Stolen throne which was a terrific book

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Yeah, Bregan knew, and since he had joined the Architect's cause, it is most likely where he got the info from. While Utha didn't know originally, it is likely she was the one who awoke the old god as part of the Architect's experiment, and probably knows now the locations of the old gods.