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[Ardinal]

Now that I have your attention, I will inform you that yes I am a woman, and before you thrust your penises at me in protest for luring you to this topic, I have a story, and a question for you that relates to Dragon Age II and my gender.

So I recently worked in a video games store. Dream retail job while I studied. I've played games since the Megadrive II, and have been a fan of Bioware since KOTOR. 

A man in his 20's approached me at the counter and asked me.

"You! Woman!" (well ok he didn't say that I may be exaggerating  just a little.)

Anyways this guy came up to me at the counter and asked me what games I was looking forward to in the new year.

Since DA:2 is at the top of my list, I happily informed him of my excitement for Bioware's next title.

"Oh of course!" he scoffed. 

'It is a girls game."

"It's a what?" I enquired, instantly regretting my actions.

"Like Dragon Age. It was a girls game. I'm not playing that ****."

My brain began to flick through the the games I had filed under "girl" for quick reference when recommending games to customers.

Titles such as "Style Boutique" and "Cooking Mama" instantly sprang to mind. However, I couldn't find Dragon Age under 'girl" nor could I find it filed under "****."

My inner fan girl stirred. Hush I told it. He was entitled to his opinion.

"I bet that's the only game you know too. All the girls are playing it."

I decided to pull out the big guns and asked the man if he knew Deus Ex?

"Yeah of course I know it. What have you played it?"

"Yes. I have. I've played many games in my time but I don't understand your claims that DA:O and DA:II are somehow games made specifically for girls."

The man thought for a moment, and luckily no one else had stepped into the shop to disturb our showdown.

"It's because of that romance ****. And the ****s. What is with that?"

I definitely regretted my decision to continue this conversation.

A mental checklist entered my brain as to what parts of DA:O floated my boat and it went something like this -

* Swords
* Excessive blood animations
* Cool finishing moves
* Storyline
* Alistair

Yes, the man was right. There was indeed a swag of romancable characters, and some of them were gay. 

"I bet the lesbian made it manly." I offered.

"Nah, just not my kind of game." The man submitted.

Which had me thinking. Yes games are catered to suit a prominent male audience, however, could games like DA:O and the upcoming DA:2 be surpassing that, by simply creating a game that appealed to both genders? I have stumbled across male gamers on the internet who have been delighted to find their female partners running their Warden through the Dead Trenches when before the only game they tried had been Farmville.

I personally have always been more inclined to play narrative or plot driven games i.e. Heavy Rain, the Silent Hill series, Bioshock. However, my former boyfriend also enjoyed these games.

He on the other hand, would also play C.O.D and God of War, where as I was more inclined to simply watch those games then play them.

Is content specifically designed to appeal to women being inserted into male orientated games in the hope that more women will play them? Or are the elements found in most role playing games just more appealing to women on a whole?

It would be nice to not have to worry about targeting a "specific" audience when marketing a product, but I will say this. I enjoy Dragon Age immensely, and look forward to Dragon Age II, and I don't really care if it's meant for my gender or not.

To the man who dropped his balls on my counter and proclaimed that Dragon Age was just not manly enough for him I can say is this...

SHUT UP WOMAN... GET ON MY HAWKE!

[Cobrawar]

[inappropriate comment removed, for MY benefit]


 LOL

Modifié par Cobrawar, 06 janvier 2011 - 06:28 .

[crimzontearz]

I'm somehow emotionally scarred by this.......

[BTCentral]

Hah, interesting post.

I find it odd that he thought of it specifically as a girl's game, it definately tries to cater for both genders in my opinion, but maybe that's just me.

[AngelicMachinery]

[inappropriate comment removed, for MY benefit]

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 06 janvier 2011 - 06:11 .

[Shepard Lives]

Not really sure what you're asking here.

[Cobrawar]

I like to play with girls :::::wink, wink:::: WOW, that's a great pick up line. "Hey baby, you want to play some dragon age with me? "

Modifié par Cobrawar, 06 janvier 2011 - 05:52 .

[David Gaider]

The Estrogen Brigade ™ is alive and well on the dev team. There are, in fact, more women than men writing it, so I wouldn't worry about us to deliberately insert female-oriented content.

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

Cool story, broette. You have to realize you're probably the only female he had been in touch with in about eight months.

[Maria Caliban]

Ardinal wrote...


SHUT UP WOMAN... GET ON MY HAWKE!

Awesome.

[Addai]

The male gamers in my family (other than my husband, who originally bought the game before I largely co-opted it) don't play DAO and look down their noses at it. However, what I gather from their grunts and crotch scratching is that it's because it's "nerdy" and not because it's girly.

[Gill Kaiser]

Umm... I think the problem is that that guy was a complete moron.

[raziel3080]

Ardinal wrote...

Now that I have your attention, I will inform you that yes I am a woman, and before you thrust your penises at me in protest for luring you to this topic, I have a story, and a question for you that relates to Dragon Age II and my gender.

So I recently worked in a video games store. Dream retail job while I studied. I've played games since the Megadrive II, and have been a fan of Bioware since KOTOR. 

A man in his 20's approached me at the counter and asked me.

"You! Woman!" (well ok he didn't say that I may be exaggerating  just a little.)

Anyways this guy came up to me at the counter and asked me what games I was looking forward to in the new year.

Since DA:2 is at the top of my list, I happily informed him of my excitement for Bioware's next title.

"Oh of course!" he scoffed. 

'It is a girls game."

"It's a what?" I enquired, instantly regretting my actions.

"Like Dragon Age. It was a girls game. I'm not playing that ****."

My brain began to flick through the the games I had filed under "girl" for quick reference when recommending games to customers.

Titles such as "Style Boutique" and "Cooking Mama" instantly sprang to mind. However, I couldn't find Dragon Age under 'girl" nor could I find it filed under "****."

My inner fan girl stirred. Hush I told it. He was entitled to his opinion.

"I bet that's the only game you know too. All the girls are playing it."

I decided to pull out the big guns and asked the man if he knew Deus Ex?

"Yeah of course I know it. What have you played it?"

"Yes. I have. I've played many games in my time but I don't understand your claims that DA:O and DA:II are somehow games made specifically for girls."

The man thought for a moment, and luckily no one else had stepped into the shop to disturb our showdown.

"It's because of that romance ****. And the ****s. What is with that?"

I definitely regretted my decision to continue this conversation.

A mental checklist entered my brain as to what parts of DA:O floated my boat and it went something like this -

* Swords
* Excessive blood animations
* Cool finishing moves
* Storyline
* Alistair

Yes, the man was right. There was indeed a swag of romancable characters, and some of them were gay. 

"I bet the lesbian made it manly." I offered.

"Nah, just not my kind of game." The man submitted.

Which had me thinking. Yes games are catered to suit a prominent male audience, however, could games like DA:O and the upcoming DA:2 be surpassing that, by simply creating a game that appealed to both genders? I have stumbled across male gamers on the internet who have been delighted to find their female partners running their Warden through the Dead Trenches when before the only game they tried had been Farmville.

I personally have always been more inclined to play narrative or plot driven games i.e. Heavy Rain, the Silent Hill series, Bioshock. However, my former boyfriend also enjoyed these games.

He on the other hand, would also play C.O.D and God of War, where as I was more inclined to simply watch those games then play them.

Is content specifically designed to appeal to women being inserted into male orientated games in the hope that more women will play them? Or are the elements found in most role playing games just more appealing to women on a whole?

It would be nice to not have to worry about targeting a "specific" audience when marketing a product, but I will say this. I enjoy Dragon Age immensely, and look forward to Dragon Age II, and I don't really care if it's meant for my gender or not.

To the man who dropped his balls on my counter and proclaimed that Dragon Age was just not manly enough for him I can say is this...

SHUT UP WOMAN... GET ON MY HAWKE!

OKAY....i'm gonna be the first to reply here and congradulate you on holding in your inner fangirl...because I as a man, would NOT have held that in. DA: O and DA 2 are transgendered games...just from the simple fact that you can play as BOTH a male or a female character( in fact the majority of bioware games in particular are this way) but to me they favor males more than females...because things like the blood n gore, theme of war, Morrigan and Lelianna, and the plot itself. That doesn't mean their aren't parts that favor a female...Alistar and the whole LI plot with him(yes, I played through origins as a female...quite a few times actually...I think 5 times total...and I romanced Alistar, 2 or 3 times in that...the other 11 were males( romancing Lelianna, Morrigan and Anora) though). I think what you had there was just a difference of opinion and yes, I see on here as well as other sites ALOT of women  playing the so called male orientated games like DA: O and Mass Effect 1 and 2, as well as things FF 13 and God of War 3 and Gears of War 2 and so forth. So, his point is moot and I don't really see where he is coming from and you keep playing those games and enjoying your job at that video game store...sounds like a real blast. 

[AlastairsQuEeN]

The guy was an utter idiot, and a JERK!

Jeez!

[Jaulen]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

Cool story, broette. You have to realize you're probably the only female he had been in touch with in about eight months.

[soteria]

Addai wrote...
The male gamers in my family (other than my husband, who originally bought the game before I largely co-opted it) don't play DAO and look down their noses at it. However, what I gather from their grunts and crotch scratching is that it's because it's "nerdy" and not because it's girly.

^^ That's what I was thinking. Strategy, the fantasy genre, and RPGs are the triumvirate of nerdiness in gaming, and Dragon Age embodies all three. Since nerds are sissies and girls are also sissies, we can apply the transitive property to determine that DA:O is indeed a girly game.

Modifié par soteria, 06 janvier 2011 - 05:59 .

[AlastairsQuEeN]

Cobrawar wrote...

I like to play with girls :::::wink, wink:::: WOW, that's a great pick up line. "Hey baby, you want to play some dragon age with me? "

HAHA, right?? Although, no men i know have said that to me. And i wish one would!

[Cobrawar]

Now that I think of it Cosplay dragon age would be pretty hot stuff.

[Ardinal]

David Gaider wrote...

The Estrogen Brigade ™ is alive and well on the dev team. There are, in fact, more women than men writing it, so I wouldn't worry about us to deliberately insert female-oriented content.

Having worked in games store I found that the only times I had to offer gender specific games to a customer was when they were a mother trying to find something suitable for their six year old. 

You can never judge a gamer by their gender, which is what I found so alien about the man's approach to DA:2.

I think it is safe to say that most games, especially those developed by Bioware (must not provoke BW staff member ) are not pumping estrogen or testosterone specific moments into their games (although G.O.D is packed full of man juices, just sayin) in order to deliberately cater for a particular market. 
I believe DA:2 will serve both genders just fine. 

[Great_Horn]

Well I think DA is a RPG in the first place. Maybe your customer is no fantasy fan. I would also doubt that Lord of the Rings is only for girls.

[henkez3]

A friend of mine, whom I introduced DA:O to, had his little sister watching him play, she is 14 years old, and when Alistair made his first appearance she was quite charmed by him, next thing my friend knows, four 14 year old girls is sitting around him watching him play DA:O, and forces his female warrior romance Alistair while they squee.



Well done Bioware!

[raziel3080]

David Gaider wrote...

The Estrogen Brigade ™ is alive and well on the dev team. There are, in fact, more women than men writing it, so I wouldn't worry about us to deliberately insert female-oriented content.

ROTFLMAOOOOOOOO! That's hilarious...see, even the development has a TON of women on it...the dude who came into your store is just complete moron...as one of the above posters said.

[NightmarezAbound]

ahh the closed mindedness of some people, knocking a game they did not play.

sadly it is his loss for not playing the game. and also sad what he had heard about it was stuff pushed that covered only one facet of the game, the LI's. I can see why some of the BioWare staff throw up their hands at the repeated romance threads. it is just one small part of the game. And yet there is endless talk of it. Maybe you should have talked about the amount of violence and blood, and the fantastic writing and world that is created.



And I think BioWare has always been good games for both male and female, they always have immersive stories, great action, believable characters and character interactions. At least the ones I have played.