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[Drasanil]

Well I guess it could be considered a girls game in some respects. Both the Alistair and Zevran romances (and I would argue the characters themselves) where far and away better than the Leliana and Morrigan ones. Other than that I can't think of anything particularily "girly" in the game gore, violence, rape etc etc... are normally considered "manly" traits in a game. 

Are you sure said customer wasn't just trying to hit on you by demonstrating his nerdmanlyness or something of the sort?

[Chaia]

Addai67 wrote...

The male gamers in my family (other than my husband, who originally bought the game before I largely co-opted it) don't play DAO and look down their noses at it. However, what I gather from their grunts and crotch scratching is that it's because it's "nerdy" and not because it's girly.

A male gaming friend of mine won't play DAO because "it looks too complicated"

[AzuraLuna]

That type of attitude makes him, and all other male gamers who share it, look really really bad. It's like they can't play any games that involve thinking beyond pushing buttons.

[AlastairsQuEeN]

henkez3 wrote...

A friend of mine, whom I introduced DA:O to, had his little sister watching him play, she is 14 years old, and when Alistair made his first appearance she was quite charmed by him, next thing my friend knows, four 14 year old girls is sitting around him watching him play DA:O, and forces his female warrior romance Alistair while they squee.

Well done Bioware!

HAHA i squeed too..and im..22..haha. I couldn't help it ^.-

[BurtonSD]

David Gaider wrote...

The Estrogen Brigade ™ is alive and well on the dev team. There are, in fact, more women than men writing it, so I wouldn't worry about us to deliberately insert female-oriented content.

As hard as I try, I can't wipe this stupid smirk off of my face every time I read that.

[DarthCaine]

[No.]

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 06 janvier 2011 - 06:22 .

[AlastairsQuEeN]

Cobrawar wrote...

Now that I think of it Cosplay dragon age would be pretty hot stuff.

Right?  I agree... o.0 ^.-

[Sandtigress]

If I had to pinpoint a "real" reason why DAO appeals sometimes more to girls than to guys, it's because to me DAO is character/story-driven rather than action oriented per say, and let's face it - guys often like to run in and kill things and they kind of ignore things like talking to team mates.

Even in my heavy-RPG-playing family, I used to facepalm at the number of 007 missions my brother and friends would take on without reading the briefing, so that they spent the entire mission running around saying "What are we supposed to do? Oops, I guess I wasn't supposed to kill that guy."

One of the big joys of DAO was getting to know the companions and discovering the different relationships (both romantic and non) that you could have with them. I've played JRPGs since I could read, literally, and few to none of them involved the type of role playing that Bioware games allow you to do - indeed maybe require you to do to really get something out of the game. JRPGs tend to be a more simple, straight-forward animated story, rather than a story you craft for yourself.

So really, I think the romance per say has nothing to do with it - girls are in general just more likely to spend the time to get to know the fantastic game that the devs created, with all it's personal intricacies and depth.

[AlexXIV]

Ardinal wrote...

Now that I have your attention, I will inform you that yes I am a woman, and before you thrust your penises at me in protest for luring you to this topic, I have a story, and a question for you that relates to Dragon Age II and my gender.

I laughed. Still wiping tears from my eyes.

[Beerfish]

"However, my former boyfriend also enjoyed these games."

So we have a chance? 

There is no doubt that many of us game players just have a preference for whatever reason as to what type of games we are going to play.  The guys sin was not in stating his preference even though many would think his reasons were lame but moreso that fact that he asked for the orignal posters opinion on a game and then dismissed it.

Interesting how many people when asking for opinions or recommendations really mean.  "I want to to agree with me on something."

[Cobrawar]

I think mike hawke is going to be a pretty popular name now

[AlastairsQuEeN]

Sandtigress wrote...

If I had to pinpoint a "real" reason why DAO appeals sometimes more to girls than to guys, it's because to me DAO is character/story-driven rather than action oriented per say, and let's face it - guys often like to run in and kill things and they kind of ignore things like talking to team mates.
Even in my heavy-RPG-playing family, I used to facepalm at the number of 007 missions my brother and friends would take on without reading the briefing, so that they spent the entire mission running around saying "What are we supposed to do? Oops, I guess I wasn't supposed to kill that guy."
One of the big joys of DAO was getting to know the companions and discovering the different relationships (both romantic and non) that you could have with them. I've played JRPGs since I could read, literally, and few to none of them involved the type of role playing that Bioware games allow you to do - indeed maybe require you to do to really get something out of the game. JRPGs tend to be a more simple, straight-forward animated story, rather than a story you craft for yourself.
So really, I think the romance per say has nothing to do with it - girls are in general just more likely to spend the time to get to know the fantastic game that the devs created, with all it's personal intricacies and depth.

"Even in my heavy-RPG-playing family, I used to facepalm at the number of 007 missions my brother and friends would take on without reading the briefing, so that they spent the entire mission running around saying "What are we supposed to do? Oops, I guess I wasn't supposed to kill that guy."

Haha, I SOOO Know what you mean! My little brother would do the same with his buddies. Cracked me up.

[Chaia]

Sandtigress wrote...

If I had to pinpoint a "real" reason why DAO appeals sometimes more to girls than to guys, it's because to me DAO is character/story-driven rather than action oriented per say, and let's face it - guys often like to run in and kill things and they kind of ignore things like talking to team mates. 

Lol I just got off a Game Development course and being the only female in a class of 25 something hard core gamers (not including the class below us that had nearly 30 gamers all male) I can tell you in general that is correct!!

Even in my heavy-RPG-playing family, I used to facepalm at the number of 007 missions my brother and friends would take on without reading the briefing, so that they spent the entire mission running around saying "What are we supposed to do? Oops, I guess I wasn't supposed to kill that guy."

and this, many a time did they ask: "how does this work?"
Me: "read the manual the game came with!"
Them: "na, I'll figure it out in a minute"

Modifié par Chaia, 06 janvier 2011 - 06:18 .

[Matchy Pointy]

That guy sure is a jerk. I can say, as a guy myself, that I consider Dragon Age an awesome game, no matter what gender you have, like that really matters anyway.

[Sandtigress]

I mean really, I was playing Left 4 Dead 2 with them this weekend (first time) and picked up a sniper rifle. I asked them how to zoom, they said they didn't know. Then the tutorial pops up on the screen, "Use middle button to zoom". I tried it, it worked. *facepalm*

I really do think the tendency of some guys to not like DAO is due to an inability to pay attention to what's going on on the screen...

[Deathwurm]

Yep...guy was a Moron!

I'm 45 & I see more Female gamers around than ever before & I love it!

Hardcore RPG Hack n Slash players, too...

Can't figure out what's particularly "girlie" about sticking Blades into an Ogre's eyes...

[raziel3080]

AlastairsQuEeN wrote...

Sandtigress wrote...

If I had to pinpoint a "real" reason why DAO appeals sometimes more to girls than to guys, it's because to me DAO is character/story-driven rather than action oriented per say, and let's face it - guys often like to run in and kill things and they kind of ignore things like talking to team mates.
Even in my heavy-RPG-playing family, I used to facepalm at the number of 007 missions my brother and friends would take on without reading the briefing, so that they spent the entire mission running around saying "What are we supposed to do? Oops, I guess I wasn't supposed to kill that guy."
One of the big joys of DAO was getting to know the companions and discovering the different relationships (both romantic and non) that you could have with them. I've played JRPGs since I could read, literally, and few to none of them involved the type of role playing that Bioware games allow you to do - indeed maybe require you to do to really get something out of the game. JRPGs tend to be a more simple, straight-forward animated story, rather than a story you craft for yourself.
So really, I think the romance per say has nothing to do with it - girls are in general just more likely to spend the time to get to know the fantastic game that the devs created, with all it's personal intricacies and depth.

"Even in my heavy-RPG-playing family, I used to facepalm at the number of 007 missions my brother and friends would take on without reading the briefing, so that they spent the entire mission running around saying "What are we supposed to do? Oops, I guess I wasn't supposed to kill that guy."

Haha, I SOOO Know what you mean! My little brother would do the same with his buddies. Cracked me up.

I guess, I must be a rarity for male-gamers then, maybe not so much in this forum but beyond just here for gamers in general in the fact that I take the time( sometimes almost an hr or so) to read EVERY single detail, nook n cranny of the codexes or what have you for the quests(main and side alike) that I get whenever I play games.... RPGs or otherwise.

[silver_sparrow]

Theres nothing feminim about the Broomother.

[Matchy Pointy]

raziel3080 wrote...

AlastairsQuEeN wrote...

Sandtigress wrote...

If I had to pinpoint a "real" reason why DAO appeals sometimes more to girls than to guys, it's because to me DAO is character/story-driven rather than action oriented per say, and let's face it - guys often like to run in and kill things and they kind of ignore things like talking to team mates.
Even in my heavy-RPG-playing family, I used to facepalm at the number of 007 missions my brother and friends would take on without reading the briefing, so that they spent the entire mission running around saying "What are we supposed to do? Oops, I guess I wasn't supposed to kill that guy."
One of the big joys of DAO was getting to know the companions and discovering the different relationships (both romantic and non) that you could have with them. I've played JRPGs since I could read, literally, and few to none of them involved the type of role playing that Bioware games allow you to do - indeed maybe require you to do to really get something out of the game. JRPGs tend to be a more simple, straight-forward animated story, rather than a story you craft for yourself.
So really, I think the romance per say has nothing to do with it - girls are in general just more likely to spend the time to get to know the fantastic game that the devs created, with all it's personal intricacies and depth.

"Even in my heavy-RPG-playing family, I used to facepalm at the number of 007 missions my brother and friends would take on without reading the briefing, so that they spent the entire mission running around saying "What are we supposed to do? Oops, I guess I wasn't supposed to kill that guy."

Haha, I SOOO Know what you mean! My little brother would do the same with his buddies. Cracked me up.

I guess, I must be a rarity for male-gamers then, maybe not so much in this forum but beyond just here for gamers in general in the fact that I take the time( sometimes almost an hr or so) to read EVERY single detail, nook n cranny of the codexes or what have you for the quests(main and side alike) that I get whenever I play games.... RPGs or otherwise.

Well, your not alone, I'm with you on this one. One of my favorite pasttimes in DA:O was talking to the companions at camp

[Stanley Woo]

raziel3080 wrote...
DA: O and DA 2 are transgendered games...just from the simple fact that you can play as BOTH a male or a female character( in fact the majority of bioware games in particular are this way)

I do not think that word means what you think it means...

Also, OP, I like that I can refer to some of my female friends as "You! Woman!" without being slapped... too hard. I love theatre people. Anyway, good to have more fangirls around here.

[Yenkaz]

AlastairsQuEeN wrote...
"Even in my heavy-RPG-playing family, I used to facepalm at the number of 007 missions my brother and friends would take on without reading the briefing, so that they spent the entire mission running around saying "What are we supposed to do? Oops, I guess I wasn't supposed to kill that guy."

Haha, I SOOO Know what you mean! My little brother would do the same with his buddies. Cracked me up.

I did this.

Well, in my defense I was about 10 and couldn't really speak/read English.

Modifié par Yenkaz, 06 janvier 2011 - 06:18 .

[Gill Kaiser]

Matchy Pointy wrote...

Well, your not alone, I'm with you on this one. One of my favorite pasttimes in DA:O was talking to the companions at camp

I read everything, search for everything, and talk to everyone too. I don't see why that would be considered a female pastime. If the general male gamer doesn't do this, I guess the difference is that we're intelligent.

Modifié par Gill Kaiser, 06 janvier 2011 - 06:21 .

[Corker]

Ardinal wrote...

Titles such as "Style Boutique" and "Cooking Mama" instantly sprang to mind. However, I couldn't find Dragon Age under 'girl" nor could I find it filed under "****."

(snip)

Is content specifically designed to appeal to women being inserted into male orientated games in the hope that more women will play them? Or are the elements found in most role playing games just more appealing to women on a whole?

I think the 'Estrogen Brigade' has a whole lot to do with it.  Style Boutique? Cooking Mama?  These might be fine, fun games, but I have this hunch that if I were able to go back in time and sit in on the development meeting for those titles, it would be a bunch of guys sitting around, saying "We got to make something for girls.  Need girl marketshare.  What do girls like?"

"Playing dress-up!"

"Playing house!"

"Right!  Get on that, stat!"

And so you get a game designed by men to appeal to what they think a girl (or a woman) wants.  This is often rather far from what the person in question would actually want to play, so sales tank, and the company throws its hands up and says, "Women and girls don't game!" and stop producing content.

Now, you put some actual female people on the dev team, and lo and behold...  They have certain insights into what women and girls want.  Not that their preferences are universal, of course.  But it makes a difference. 

[Deathwurm]

Stanley Woo wrote...

raziel3080 wrote...
DA: O and DA 2 are transgendered games...just from the simple fact that you can play as BOTH a male or a female character( in fact the majority of bioware games in particular are this way)

I do not think that word means what you think it means...

I was going to let that one go...If they "game up " RuPaul's Drag Race...then maybe that would be a place to use that term

[nightcobra]

Stanley Woo wrote...

raziel3080 wrote...
DA: O and DA 2 are transgendered games...just from the simple fact that you can play as BOTH a male or a female character( in fact the majority of bioware games in particular are this way)

I do not think that word means what you think it means...

Also, OP, I like that I can refer to some of my female friends as "You! Woman!" without being slapped... too hard. I love theatre people. Anyway, good to have more fangirls around here.

lucas might be bleeding from the ears from all the squeeing though:lol:

Modifié par nightcobra8928, 06 janvier 2011 - 06:21 .