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[obsessedwjpn]

I think it is unfortunate that we are even using the terms "manly" and "girly" to make categories. Also, we do not need to demean all of male society just because this one man made a bad choice and acted inappropriately. Lots of men love RPGs and complicated games, my father included.

As a woman (notice how everyone says girly and not womanly, I study gender and therefore love how demeaning this very word is), I think that whatever interest or joy a person takes from a game should be respected: whether it be the love interests, the action, the violence, etc. Don't knock any one of these aspects and don't knock a "gender" by associating it with certain games: because genders are societally defined and therefore open to endless interpretation.

DA2, like any video game, will appeal to whoever it appeals to and as long as they take enjoyment from it, just forget all the naysayers. People will dub games what they will, it is unfortunate, but true.

Modifié par obsessedwjpn, 06 janvier 2011 - 07:33 .

[Xephyr829]

That guy sounded like such a tool.

[Bullets McDeath]

This makes sense, actually. I bought Dragon Age: Origins just so I could meet women. Although, oddly enough, since I started playing it, I haven't met... anyone...

[_Aine_]

In Exile wrote...

 so there are nerdy and non-nerdy guy gamers, but the majority of girl gamers tend toward the nerdy side.

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[CoS Sarah Jinstar]

crimzontearz wrote...

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

I'm somehow emotionally scarred by this.......

Yep me too, I'm gonna need therapy now.

we will send her the bill

Actually I'd rather send the bill to the idiot customer she was dealing with to be honest.

[BroBear Berbil]

The introduction to this topic kind of reminds me of the cliched "yeah I'm a gurl gamer, settle down boys".



Moving onto the actual topic though, while I'm a male that plays DA there is definitely something that seems to have attracted tons of females to this franchise.The guy you talked to probably wasn't too far off when he cited the romances.



Having been around these forums for awhile now most of what I see female players posting about is in some way romance related. X appreciation thread etc. and it spills over into other places on the internet as well. If there is the perception that it's a girl game this is likely a factor. Of course, there's the male "Morrigan is mai waifu" crowd as well but it's not a group I see outside of /v/ very much.



That said, I think the characters and the relationships you can either make or destroy with them is the best part of DA. To me, it certainly wasn't the story and it definitely wasn't the combat. That's not going to appeal to many men in my age group.

[maxernst]

Face of Evil wrote...

I totally agree with the guy in the OP's post. The second I started playing Dragon Age, my penis vanished!
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Are you sure you didn't just misplace it?  Check in the medicine cabinet.  I sometimes put mine in there when I'm not using it.  Or you never know, it might turn up on a peddlar's cart in the East Village next to an old toaster, like this guy's penis:

[Saibh]

In Exile wrote...

The situation is a little absurd, but I don't think we can generalize any serious preferences among guys or girls re: gaming.
What I think is that right now gaming is more mainstream for guys but not for girls; so there are nerdy and non-nerdy guy gamers, but the majority of girl gamers tend toward the nerdy side.

Probably. To be fair, the people who play DA are nerdy, in general. I think, being a male-dominated industry, guys set the rules on what counts as nerdy/non-nerdy games. For instance, everyone counts The Sims as a girl game, but also not a "real" game, probably because it attracts more regular people. And those people are girls. That's not a nerd game.

Neither is a game like Halo. Some guys exclusively play Halo games (or a series like it), and it's not considered a nerd game. But it is considered a "real" game. I think this is the sort of thinking set down by an industry dominated by guys. Now, I'm not accusing anyone of anything wrong, that's just the way it is.

If thinking weren't like that, I do believe people would be more inclined to call girls gamers.

[obsessedwjpn]

I think men can appreciate romance as well. It's not like romance and love interest excitement is a female-only activity in this world. I think the world just accepts females better where this activity is concerned. If a man voices his support and continued concentration on this area of interest, he is not received as well.



It is the societal definition of gender that females automatically are tied to romance as a gender, but I think men are as likely to do this as women, they just don't voice it as often as females do.

[Maria13]

obsessedwjpn wrote...

I think it is unfortunate that we are even using the terms "manly" and "girly" to make categories. Also, we do not need to demean all of male society just because this one man made a bad choice and acted inappropriately. Lots of men love RPGs and complicated games, my father included.

As a woman (notice how everyone says girly and not womanly, I study gender and therefore love how demeaning this very word is), I think that whatever interest or joy a person takes from a game should be respected: whether it be the love interests, the action, the violence, etc. Don't knock any one of these aspects and don't knock a "gender" by associating it with certain games: because genders are societally defined and therefore open to endless interpretation.

DA2, like any video game, will appeal to whoever it appeals to and as long as they take enjoyment from it, just forget all the naysayers. People will dub games what they will, it is unfortunate, but true.

You´re right, I shall edit my post...

[Sherbet Lemon]

obsessedwjpn wrote...

I think men can appreciate romance as well. It's not like romance and love interest excitement is a female-only activity in this world. I think the world just accepts females better where this activity is concerned. If a man voices his support and continued concentration on this area of interest, he is not received as well.

It is the societal definition of gender that females automatically are tied to romance as a gender, but I think men are as likely to do this as women, they just don't voice it as often as females do.

True.  I also think that some of the gentlemen on this forum who have romanced Morrigan and clamor the loudest for her return speak most accurately to this assertion.  Tee-hee. :innocent:

[twincast]

Well, I like pretty much everything (to different degrees) but WW2/Vietnam/Axis-of-Evil scenarios* and extreeeeeemely casual stuff, both of which bore me to tears, so whatever, that guy's an idiot.

*The sole exception being the Commandos series. Well, and Indiana Jones, but that doesn't really count.

Modifié par twincast, 06 janvier 2011 - 07:57 .

[Maria13]

maxernst wrote...

Face of Evil wrote...

I totally agree with the guy in the OP's post. The second I started playing Dragon Age, my penis vanished!
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Are you sure you didn't just misplace it?  Check in the medicine cabinet.  I sometimes put mine in there when I'm not using it.  Or you never know, it might turn up on a peddlar's cart in the East Village next to an old toaster, like this guy's penis:

Official survey question: "What impact do you think the market in second-hand penises will have on the gaming industry?"

[maxernst]

Saibh wrote...

In Exile wrote...

The situation is a little absurd, but I don't think we can generalize any serious preferences among guys or girls re: gaming.
What I think is that right now gaming is more mainstream for guys but not for girls; so there are nerdy and non-nerdy guy gamers, but the majority of girl gamers tend toward the nerdy side.

Probably. To be fair, the people who play DA are nerdy, in general. I think, being a male-dominated industry, guys set the rules on what counts as nerdy/non-nerdy games. For instance, everyone counts The Sims as a girl game, but also not a "real" game, probably because it attracts more regular people. And those people are girls. That's not a nerd game.

Neither is a game like Halo. Some guys exclusively play Halo games (or a series like it), and it's not considered a nerd game. But it is considered a "real" game. I think this is the sort of thinking set down by an industry dominated by guys. Now, I'm not accusing anyone of anything wrong, that's just the way it is.

If thinking weren't like that, I do believe people would be more inclined to call girls gamers.

Hmm...the Sims.  I'd never really thought of it in terms of gender, but it's definitely a mainstream game rather than a "gamer's" game, whereas DA:O definitely falls into the traditional gamer market.  As far as whether the Sims is a "real" game, it's certainly much less goal-oriented than a typical game.  I'm tempted to call it a toy, rather than a game--not intended as a slam, but a description of how one plays it.

Edited to add:  although, I've argued elsewhere that the Sims is actually more of an RPG than a lot of games that are marketed as such...but then traditional pen 'n paper RPG's don't have victory conditions either.

Modifié par maxernst, 06 janvier 2011 - 07:59 .

[Jaulen]

Stanley Woo wrote...

I know many couples who play videogames together (both co-op and playing the same game on different systems at the same time). Many of them are BioWare game fans, and usually it's the girl who's consistently farther ahead in the game than the guy! or maybe I just know some very odd, and awesome, girls.

I play Bioware games much more than my husband....plus he's not one to go on a two and a half day gaming streak without sleep like I'll do.

First game he introduced me to,,,I stayed up the whole weekend playing trying to get the hang of the game and get leveled up.....had to call in sick to work that monday so I could sleep.

Ah, good times.

[Arachnea]

I usually don't post here (I lurk almost everyday tho). Im a woman myself and a big Bioware fan.



I find it really interesting that the guy in the OP thinks of DA as a girls game. I have to say I guess I can see why he might think that, I still completely disagree with him though. Last year I went to a game event in Amsterdam, where I almost started feeling out of place simply because there were hardly any girls around (if you don't count the booth babes ). However when I went to see the DA2 demo, there was a suprising amount of girls there, the guys were still the vast majority ofcourse.

[SnakeHelah]

Oh no! DA is a girly game! AM I A GIRLY MAN NOW?! This is an outrage!
Well to be on topic... This game isn't for girls or anything like that. Just because it has "romance ****" it does not make a game for girls. I mean look at movies, books etc. any piece of fiction that has a big depth to the story. Well yes! Most of it do have romances in there! And guess what! IT'S PART OF THE STORY! Oh wait, Men watch/read that too! Now I'm no guy that sheds tears over titanic and all that crap, but I don't see why not go for the romances in game if they are there? I mean if it can be part of my characters story that I want to roleplay why not?
Besides, the romances are optional and if you don't want them, don't pursue them.

Modifié par SnakeHelah, 06 janvier 2011 - 08:01 .

[Saibh]

maxernst wrote...

Hmm...the Sims.  I'd never really thought of it in terms of gender, but it's definitely a mainstream game rather than a "gamer's" game, whereas DA:O definitely falls into the traditional gamer market.  As far as whether the Sims is a "real" game, it's certainly much less goal-oriented than a typical game.  I'm tempted to call it a toy, rather than a game--not intended as a slam, but a description of how one plays it.

I could argue the goal is very simple: give your Sims a happy life before they die. I don't think Minecraft is anymore complicated, but since it's more niche, it still counts as a "real" game. Anyhow, I do see your point.

[In Exile]

Saibh wrote...
Probably. To be fair, the people who play DA are nerdy, in general. I think, being a male-dominated industry, guys set the rules on what counts as nerdy/non-nerdy games. For instance, everyone counts The Sims as a girl game, but also not a "real" game, probably because it attracts more regular people. And those people are girls. That's not a nerd game.

Is that really the case? I really haven't seen any attitude at all toward the Sims, so I'm going to have to plead ignorance.

But a think to consider is that certain types of games are mainstream, in the sense that there isn't the same stigma associated. So for example most facebook games aren't games in the same way Mass Effect is a game.

Neither is a game like Halo. Some guys exclusively play Halo games (or a series like it), and it's not considered a nerd game. But it is considered a "real" game. I think this is the sort of thinking set down by an industry dominated by guys. Now, I'm not accusing anyone of anything wrong, that's just the way it is.

No, that's not true. Speaking as a guy who is in a fraternity (and ran it for a term a while back) Halo is absolutely on the "nerd" end of attitudes. Online gaming, multiplayer - that's lame and nerdy. RPGs are dangerously close to wearing a dress.

People have a weird idea of mainstream on this forum because how strongly we tend toward the extreme end of our hobbies. But things like FPS, in terms of how the really macho type guys will see them, fall on the nerdy side.

Sports games are the only acceptable video-game that I've seen at this level.

If thinking weren't like that, I do believe people would be more inclined to call girls gamers.

Maybe. I think self-categorization is an issue too.

[request denied]

DA was recommended to by a male friend and he also got 4 guys from work to play it as well . They might not admit it but we some times talk romance and why can`t i get any where with Leliana .

[Follow Me on Twitter]

Same reason some of my friends knock the game, they see me playing it on xbox live and will tell me "Stop playing that girly **** and get on CoD" or something along those lines.



Everyones entitled to their opinion.

[Fiery Phoenix]

He was trolling from the sounds of it. "Trolling" as in, trying to show off his non-existent personality with such an invalid opinion. People tend to do that quite a bit these days.

[MerinTB]

Unfortunately, I cannot join the "yay women gamers" club via experience.
My wife played adventure games on her dad's Amiga back in the day, and she dabbled in Creatures and Sims, but is not a video gamer at all.  She does like board games, but more Scrabble and Mancala.  She does role-play, but that's probably more cause I do than anything.

Most of the girls I know don't play ANY games (board, video) unless you count volleyball or darts.

The wife of one of the owners of the game store I sell comics at, as well as the girlfriend of the other owner, both play board games but that's it.  The game store owners don't even play video games, though (they sell board games mostly, and some card and role-playing game stuff).

Prior to my current gaming group I also never knew more than a couple girl gamers (usually, again, gf's or wifes who tolerated playing to spend time with their bf/husbands) -
but now close to half of the RPGers I hang with are female, so it's a big switch for me from most of my life.

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Anywho, I know and accept there are girl gamers - but I don't think it's weird to think that girls don't game, or only like certain games.

Stereotypes exist for a reason.  They overgeneralize, yes, but they are based on something.
Girls, last statistics I saw, tend to prefer MMO's or Sims like games, and guys tend to prefer shooters and sports games.  Not universally, just on average.

There's a difference, I agree, between knowing averages and prejudging people, of course.  And to being a jerk, like that customer sounded.

[Cobrawar]

Village Idiot wrote...

obsessedwjpn wrote...

I think men can appreciate romance as well. It's not like romance and love interest excitement is a female-only activity in this world. I think the world just accepts females better where this activity is concerned. If a man voices his support and continued concentration on this area of interest, he is not received as well.

It is the societal definition of gender that females automatically are tied to romance as a gender, but I think men are as likely to do this as women, they just don't voice it as often as females do.

True.  I also think that some of the gentlemen on this forum who have romanced Morrigan and clamor the loudest for her return speak most accurately to this assertion.  Tee-hee. :innocent:

 Morrigan was hot stuff, if she wasnt who she was it just wouldnt be as fun.

[Gabey5]

in a sense he is right