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[Spartas Husky]

Flamewielder wrote...

Cranyx wrote...

For all of you people saying that they (specifically miranda) need more parctical, yet still individualised armor and BW should fix it:

Did you mean something like.... this?

Yes, that could easily pass as some type of flexible light armor; involving ablative layers over flexible mesh and enviromental seal layers. Though in the case of Jacob and Miranda, it would make logistical sense that they'd use the ME2 Cerberus armor (or a more personalized version thereof). But this one is still good.

The point is: if you set out to make a RPG offering a unique, immersive experience, it's worth addressing issues that can jar the player out of the immersion. Most people who complain about the ammo issue do it for similar reasons: it jars from the previous ME1 experience even though the ammo system is fine in itself. But that's another topic.

I need that mod for the 360.... u who did this, there is a transfer tool for the pc ....PLS let me  have it.... god that is eprfect WTF didn't bioware did this what was so hard about it?:wub::wub::wub::wub:

[Cranyx]

To be honest, I just found the pic online, at first I thought it was for the planned second squad costume DLC, but I have know idea if that's it, or a player edit.



Either way, most of the time, in my opinion, the revealing costumes can be a bit jarring, but it's not JUST cheesecake, they do express the character's personality from an artistic standpoint.



For all of you praising the hypothetical costume change, take a good look at it, other than the covered 2 inch wide line, the only difference is the color scheme. You need to remember this is the future and flexible armors, albeit weaker, are an extremely strong possibility, the US military is currently working on bulletproof material that is around the thickness of what Miranda's outfit probably is, nowhere does it say it's latex.

[mineralica]

Cranyx wrote...

To be honest, I just found the pic online, at first I thought it was for the planned second squad costume DLC, but I have know idea if that's it, or a player edit.

No matter. Do want.

<...>You need to remember this is the future and flexible armors, albeit weaker, are an extremely strong possibility, the US military is currently working on bulletproof material that is around the thickness of what Miranda's outfit probably is, nowhere does it say it's latex.

And Jack obviously has her tattoos made from this material. I finally understood what I don't like about "revealing" outfits in combat - it's okay when squaddies run around in it, but when they try to jump over the table and die halfway... instant thought - damn, couldn't you wear the proper armour? Then suffer from your decision!

[Flamewielder]

Cranyx wrote...
For all of you praising the hypothetical costume change, take a good look at it, other than the covered 2 inch wide line, the only difference is the color scheme. You need to remember this is the future and flexible armors, albeit weaker, are an extremely strong possibility, the US military is currently working on bulletproof material that is around the thickness of what Miranda's outfit probably is, nowhere does it say it's latex.

It only proves our point: providing an alternate, convincing appearance for EVA's is relatively simple when you put your mind to it. Sometimes (as I suspect in this case) a simple texture change is all that is required (as opposed to dramatic changes to the animation model).

An alternate animation model would look even better, of course; allowing for detailing like 3D plating and accessory pouches, pockets, seamless helmet/armor joints, etc...

The japanese are also developing "invisibility cloth" but I doubt we'll see practical battlefield applications for a while. Kasumi will have to wait another century or so...

[Cranyx]

I think one of the major justifying factors is that other than those from the first game, no one is from the "official" military and have the attitude that keeps them from getting properly suited (especially Jack)

[lovgreno]

Spartas Husky wrote...

and if Miranda would wear that keeping her perfect figure....god that would make ME2 even better. Tight leather onboard, sexy warrior suit offboard... whats more to ask for?.....well besides Jack having hair.

I agree, with an exception for for Jacks lack of hair. It's part of her style and personality so I prefer the bald look. Off topic, sorry.

Also:
Sometimes skimpy outfits that reflects the personality of the individual on board: No problem.
Decent covering armor with better protection from hostile enviroments than a silly gasmask but still reflects the personality of the individual when fighting: Oh yes please!

Heavy armor can be sexy anyway:

Modifié par lovgreno, 08 janvier 2011 - 03:01 .

[Cranyx]

Speaking of Jack, How does she keep everything "in place"?



I've read that it's some sort of rubber/synthetic material that actually exists which would cling to the skin and also reduce the *ahem* uncomfortableness.

[lovgreno]

^ Perhaps the good old mass effect fields (aka space wizards) again.

[Iakus]

Cranyx wrote...

To be honest, I just found the pic online, at first I thought it was for the planned second squad costume DLC, but I have know idea if that's it, or a player edit.

Well, while it does still look like spandex, it at least looks like armored spandex, which is a huge improvement.

Either way, most of the time, in my opinion, the revealing costumes can be a bit jarring, but it's not JUST cheesecake, they do express the character's personality from an artistic standpoint.

Expressing a character's personality is great.  But armor can be personalized just as much as clothing.  I mean, imagine if Miranda wore that outfit, which looks like it's supposed to be a type of Cerberus light armor.  Now imagine Jack in it, how she could personalize it.  Some graffiti, the Cerberus logo blotted out, maybe replaced with an anarchy symbol...

For all of you praising the hypothetical costume change, take a good look at it, other than the covered 2 inch wide line, the only difference is the color scheme. You need to remember this is the future and flexible armors, albeit weaker, are an extremely strong possibility, the US military is currently working on bulletproof material that is around the thickness of what Miranda's outfit probably is, nowhere does it say it's latex.

It also looks like armor, albiet rather thin armor.  Perhaps a kind worn under regular clothing, rather than military grade stuff.  It has what appear to be protective plates on it and tube thingees in the arms (medigel dispensers?)  The fact that it comes up to the neck also indicates that it could be sealed with a proper helmet. 

That's part of what bugs me about these outfits.  They could have been made much more reasonable with little effort.

[Aeowyn]

It's not just that. How can they not be cold when walking around in areas with no air or gravity? Because I was under the impression that space was pretty damn cold, unless you're close to a star but whatever. Until the crew get some decent armour the only ones I'm bringing with me on missions are Garrus and Legion.

[Cranyx]

^ actually that's a common misconception. If they were in a vacuum(which I don't think they ever were) then yes, the few floating air particles would be freezing, but there would be so few of them that you would actually not freeze. A human can survive in a vacuum without permanent harm as long as they have air supply, your ear don't burst and your eyes don't pop.

There's a NASA article about it here:  imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/ask_astro/answers/970603.html

[Spartas Husky]

lovgreno wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

and if Miranda would wear that keeping her perfect figure....god that would make ME2 even better. Tight leather onboard, sexy warrior suit offboard... whats more to ask for?.....well besides Jack having hair.

I agree, with an exception for for Jacks lack of hair. It's part of her style and personality so I prefer the bald look. Off topic, sorry.

Also:
Sometimes skimpy outfits that reflects the personality of the individual on board: No problem.
Decent covering armor with better protection from hostile enviroments than a silly gasmask but still reflects the personality of the individual when fighting: Oh yes please!

Heavy armor can be sexy anyway:

for a soldier a bit too hot, but hey thats pretty good.

And yeah we disagree, I want Jack with some punk haircut... prolly top hair with a pony tail but a shaved hair on both sides of the head...

[lovgreno]

Spartas Husky wrote...
for a soldier a bit too hot, but hey thats pretty good.

Too hot for being a soldier? I think you can be rather sexy in a military way. You know all those tough as nails guys and gals in our real life army for example...

Ideas for decent armour and off duty outfits that reflects the personality of the squadmember:

Miranda: Same as before but decent boots without high heels and of course covering all skin. For hostile enviroments a light helmet with many transparent bits. Miranda likes to show off her looks.
Off duty she could have something more formal and buisness like. A suit perhaps.

Zaeed: Same rugged mercenary style but covered arms and a menacing looking heavy helmet when needed.
Off duty: It would be a shame to not show his cool tatoos so a sleeveless tshirt with a crossed over blue suns logo would fit him. Jeans with a knife in the belt to give him more old fashioned tough guy attitude.

Grunt: Cover his arms and he should be good. Hard to think of a cool looking off duty style for Krogans though.

Garrus: Awesome as he is. There are some cool looking turians in some kind of suits that would be Garrus style when calibrating.

Tali: No change needed there.

Legion: Well he is a geth so keep him as he is. A quarian disguise would be fitting when having non violent dealings with organics off the Normandy would suit the story well I think.

Jacob: Give him a helmet. The guy likes to show off his muscles so why not give him a tight Alliance Corsair tshirt? Kasumi would like it for sure. Also muscles sells.

Kasumi: A mask with a creepy grinning face on it would be her style in vacuum. She is a bit of a comical relief character so something a bit silly like a Hello Kitty shirt would be good to use on the Normandy.

Thane: His suit is great for giving him that exotic and mysterious guy look. Give him something more ninjastyled in battle though.

Mordin: As he is a comical relief character one of those funny looking fully covering salarian helmets would be nice. Off duty a white coat with some insane looking instruments built in would also be funny.

Samara: Just close up that suit and she is still one sexy milf. A matching helmet would just make her look even better. Off duty something simple, like a monks robe perhaps, would suit her. And there you can of course have some blue cleavage.

Jack: Sure, dressing in tape sells I guess so she can have that style in her hidey hole. She needs something absolutely menacing for battle though. A ninja styled armour with a scary mask, grafitti and some gruesome trophees perhaps.

Modifié par lovgreno, 08 janvier 2011 - 08:42 .

[MaaZeus]

Cranyx wrote...

^ actually that's a common misconception. If they were in a vacuum(which I don't think they ever were) then yes, the few floating air particles would be freezing, but there would be so few of them that you would actually not freeze. A human can survive in a vacuum without permanent harm as long as they have air supply, your ear don't burst and your eyes don't pop.

There's a NASA article about it here:  imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/ask_astro/answers/970603.html

You can survive, for few minutes that is. Human body can resist vacuum for short time, but it will give in eventually and your body starts to swell and cause a lot of pain. This has been tested too, not in space but in controlled enviroments.

And you are correct, in vacuum heat transfer is incredibly poor, even if space is absolute zero cold you wont feel it for some time. Unless you hit gas cloud or other particles that are as cold as the space around it, they can transfer the heat immidietly and may snap freeze you.


And you are wrong, there are atleast two places where in ME2 you are in complete vacuum and cold space. Derelict reaper after you blow its Mass Effect field and Geth station (geth do not require air nor heat, waste of resources) where you complete a whole mission.

Modifié par MaaZeus, 08 janvier 2011 - 11:30 .

[Spartas Husky]

MaaZeus wrote...

Cranyx wrote...

^ actually that's a common misconception. If they were in a vacuum(which I don't think they ever were) then yes, the few floating air particles would be freezing, but there would be so few of them that you would actually not freeze. A human can survive in a vacuum without permanent harm as long as they have air supply, your ear don't burst and your eyes don't pop.

There's a NASA article about it here:  imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/ask_astro/answers/970603.html

You can survive, for few minutes that is. Human body can resist vacuum for short time, but it will give in eventually and your body starts to swell and cause a lot of pain. This has been tested too, not in space but in controlled enviroments.

And you are correct, in vacuum heat transfer is incredibly poor, even if space is absolute zero cold you wont feel it for some time. Unless you hit gas cloud or other particles that are as cold as the space around it, they can transfer the heat immidietly and may snap freeze you.


And you are wrong, there are atleast two places where in ME2 you are in complete vacuum and cold space. Derelict reaper after you blow its Mass Effect field and Geth station (geth do not require air nor heat, waste of resources) where you complete a whole mission.

no idea what the page is saying but in the 70's test were made in many depressurized chambers and in space confirming you last ess than 3 minutes before dying. ima find it but the **** of it might not be that you would die but the simple pressure laws ensured, from high to low. And while the sci fi of you exploding is a lie, it is true your body losses what air it has knocking you out within seconds of exposure. This was also confirmed in Russian accidents aboard their space flights so I have no idea where you guys are getting that we are superman and can resist a couple of minutes in vaccum.

Without even counting the aforementioned the mere radiation and exposure to cosmic particles would destroy your organic ability to maintain cell integrity.

But just fmro the top of my astronomy class. When there is no atmospheric pressure water does not hold its form. Water is a tricky substance and is in basic physics and chemistry that atmospheric pressure gives water is liquid form, thus if pressure from a planet or otherwise is not present water expands nearly instantaneous which means turns into gas and boils. Any part of your body exposed to vaccum that holds or is covered in water will blow or melt; aka your tongue will be destroyed in severe injury and your eyes will melt. This is also reported in Russian accident when the Astranout had a suit rupture and all he felt was his tongue being burned out of him ecause of the saliva quickly expanding.

By tests as well your tissue will swell, and although you will not explode like some weird sci fi movie it will kill you after a minute or two

In the end you dont survive in space, period. The pressure problem quickly plays a trick on your system knocing you out within seconds, and the cosmic rays as well as a lack of heat transfer will make sure you boil from the inside out within the next 60 to 120 seconds. So no humans cannot survive in vacuum, without some sort of shields against cosmic rays and the changing state of matter within your body.

Test in chambers and accidents in space have not been lethal but have been close and they just had suit malfunctions.

In space things either boil or freeze there is no space in between. If your far away from a heat producing body you will freeze after w/e surface water boils, if your too close to a heat source you will boil since there is nothing to carry heat away from you. If we could  survive in vaccum by just having air supply for at least 60 seconds I would have think astronauts who went to the moon would have at least peed on the moon for the hell of it... or placed their bare foot on moon ground, or touched it with their bare hands.

[GodWood]

Cranyx wrote...

See now if this was Miranda's armor I would've hated her a hell of a lot less.
Now all she needs is her hair tied back and a proper helmet for when on dangerous planets and she's good to go.

[lovgreno]

Good rundown of why vacuum and water based organics don't mix Spartas Husky. It doesn't even need to be vacuum to be lethal actualy. The low pressure of high altitudes can kill or st least severily hurt a human. A fast drop in outer pressure can disable or even kill a diver. So there is a good reason that astronauts, pilots and divers don't take any chances with enviroments with a risk of pressure loss. And neither should Shepard and his/her squad, especialy as they are also risking exposure to ABC weapons, regular exploding weapons and radiated or/and poisoned enviroments.

[Spartas Husky]

lovgreno wrote...
 So there is a good reason that astronauts, pilots and divers don't take any chances with enviroments with a risk of pressure loss. And neither should Shepard and his/her squad, especialy as they are also risking exposure to ABC weapons, regular exploding weapons and radiated or/and poisoned enviroments.

true enough... and even if we somehow solved the heat problem both boiling or freezing, simply exposure means ungodly amount of particles that break down cellular structure, radiactive or otherwise... there is a reason why space is not a zoo.


god man how can I get miranda and jacob in that suit....

[Flamewielder]

Spartas Husky wrote...
god man how can I get miranda and jacob in that suit....

Or the nice Cerberus Armor from the DLC; it's nice looking even if I never make my Shep wear it... (Kestrel Armor FTW!) It even has a Cerberus logo on it, for those cheerleader-types.

[Spartas Husky]

Flamewielder wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...
god man how can I get miranda and jacob in that suit....

Or the nice Cerberus Armor from the DLC; it's nice looking even if I never make my Shep wear it... (Kestrel Armor FTW!) It even has a Cerberus logo on it, for those cheerleader-types.

well then I'll stick to modding. if I had to pay 3-5 bucks for a poor azz excuse for an inventory system to bioware, i rather have miranda in w/e she has right now. Unless is free nvm about it.

<_<

[MaaZeus]

Spartas Husky wrote...

MaaZeus wrote...

Cranyx wrote...

^ actually that's a common misconception. If they were in a vacuum(which I don't think they ever were) then yes, the few floating air particles would be freezing, but there would be so few of them that you would actually not freeze. A human can survive in a vacuum without permanent harm as long as they have air supply, your ear don't burst and your eyes don't pop.

There's a NASA article about it here:  imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/ask_astro/answers/970603.html

You can survive, for few minutes that is. Human body can resist vacuum for short time, but it will give in eventually and your body starts to swell and cause a lot of pain. This has been tested too, not in space but in controlled enviroments.

And you are correct, in vacuum heat transfer is incredibly poor, even if space is absolute zero cold you wont feel it for some time. Unless you hit gas cloud or other particles that are as cold as the space around it, they can transfer the heat immidietly and may snap freeze you.


And you are wrong, there are atleast two places where in ME2 you are in complete vacuum and cold space. Derelict reaper after you blow its Mass Effect field and Geth station (geth do not require air nor heat, waste of resources) where you complete a whole mission.

no idea what the page is saying but in the 70's test were made in many depressurized chambers and in space confirming you last ess than 3 minutes before dying. ima find it but the **** of it might not be that you would die but the simple pressure laws ensured, from high to low. And while the sci fi of you exploding is a lie, it is true your body losses what air it has knocking you out within seconds of exposure. This was also confirmed in Russian accidents aboard their space flights so I have no idea where you guys are getting that we are superman and can resist a couple of minutes in vaccum.

Without even counting the aforementioned the mere radiation and exposure to cosmic particles would destroy your organic ability to maintain cell integrity.

But just fmro the top of my astronomy class. When there is no atmospheric pressure water does not hold its form. Water is a tricky substance and is in basic physics and chemistry that atmospheric pressure gives water is liquid form, thus if pressure from a planet or otherwise is not present water expands nearly instantaneous which means turns into gas and boils. Any part of your body exposed to vaccum that holds or is covered in water will blow or melt; aka your tongue will be destroyed in severe injury and your eyes will melt. This is also reported in Russian accident when the Astranout had a suit rupture and all he felt was his tongue being burned out of him ecause of the saliva quickly expanding.

By tests as well your tissue will swell, and although you will not explode like some weird sci fi movie it will kill you after a minute or two

In the end you dont survive in space, period. The pressure problem quickly plays a trick on your system knocing you out within seconds, and the cosmic rays as well as a lack of heat transfer will make sure you boil from the inside out within the next 60 to 120 seconds. So no humans cannot survive in vacuum, without some sort of shields against cosmic rays and the changing state of matter within your body.

Test in chambers and accidents in space have not been lethal but have been close and they just had suit malfunctions.

In space things either boil or freeze there is no space in between. If your far away from a heat producing body you will freeze after w/e surface water boils, if your too close to a heat source you will boil since there is nothing to carry heat away from you. If we could  survive in vaccum by just having air supply for at least 60 seconds I would have think astronauts who went to the moon would have at least peed on the moon for the hell of it... or placed their bare foot on moon ground, or touched it with their bare hands.

That is what I meant with few minutes. You will black out due to complete lack of oxygen in some seconds and if you try to hold your breath, it will rupture your lungs. In few minutes your body starts to swell, your blood and other liquids starts to boil and severe damage starts to happen. You might still survive this if you get dragged into safety in time like that astronaut, but vacuum exposure will definetly kill you and fast.

Modifié par MaaZeus, 08 janvier 2011 - 05:29 .

[Spartas Husky]

MaaZeus wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

MaaZeus wrote...

Cranyx wrote...

^ actually that's a common misconception. If they were in a vacuum(which I don't think they ever were) then yes, the few floating air particles would be freezing, but there would be so few of them that you would actually not freeze. A human can survive in a vacuum without permanent harm as long as they have air supply, your ear don't burst and your eyes don't pop.

There's a NASA article about it here:  imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/ask_astro/answers/970603.html

You can survive, for few minutes that is. Human body can resist vacuum for short time, but it will give in eventually and your body starts to swell and cause a lot of pain. This has been tested too, not in space but in controlled enviroments.

And you are correct, in vacuum heat transfer is incredibly poor, even if space is absolute zero cold you wont feel it for some time. Unless you hit gas cloud or other particles that are as cold as the space around it, they can transfer the heat immidietly and may snap freeze you.


And you are wrong, there are atleast two places where in ME2 you are in complete vacuum and cold space. Derelict reaper after you blow its Mass Effect field and Geth station (geth do not require air nor heat, waste of resources) where you complete a whole mission.

no idea what the page is saying but in the 70's test were made in many depressurized chambers and in space confirming you last ess than 3 minutes before dying. ima find it but the **** of it might not be that you would die but the simple pressure laws ensured, from high to low. And while the sci fi of you exploding is a lie, it is true your body losses what air it has knocking you out within seconds of exposure. This was also confirmed in Russian accidents aboard their space flights so I have no idea where you guys are getting that we are superman and can resist a couple of minutes in vaccum.

Without even counting the aforementioned the mere radiation and exposure to cosmic particles would destroy your organic ability to maintain cell integrity.

But just fmro the top of my astronomy class. When there is no atmospheric pressure water does not hold its form. Water is a tricky substance and is in basic physics and chemistry that atmospheric pressure gives water is liquid form, thus if pressure from a planet or otherwise is not present water expands nearly instantaneous which means turns into gas and boils. Any part of your body exposed to vaccum that holds or is covered in water will blow or melt; aka your tongue will be destroyed in severe injury and your eyes will melt. This is also reported in Russian accident when the Astranout had a suit rupture and all he felt was his tongue being burned out of him ecause of the saliva quickly expanding.

By tests as well your tissue will swell, and although you will not explode like some weird sci fi movie it will kill you after a minute or two

In the end you dont survive in space, period. The pressure problem quickly plays a trick on your system knocing you out within seconds, and the cosmic rays as well as a lack of heat transfer will make sure you boil from the inside out within the next 60 to 120 seconds. So no humans cannot survive in vacuum, without some sort of shields against cosmic rays and the changing state of matter within your body.

Test in chambers and accidents in space have not been lethal but have been close and they just had suit malfunctions.

In space things either boil or freeze there is no space in between. If your far away from a heat producing body you will freeze after w/e surface water boils, if your too close to a heat source you will boil since there is nothing to carry heat away from you. If we could  survive in vaccum by just having air supply for at least 60 seconds I would have think astronauts who went to the moon would have at least peed on the moon for the hell of it... or placed their bare foot on moon ground, or touched it with their bare hands.

That is what I meant with few minutes. You will black out due to complete lack of oxygen in some seconds and if you try to hold your breath, it will rupture your lungs. In few minutes your body starts to swell, your blood and other liquids starts to boil and severe damage starts to happen. You might still survive this if you get dragged into safety in time like that astronaut, but vacuum exposure will definetly kill you and fast.

nah dude sry should nto have quoted u. Was talking to cranyx  because he said  en quote:

"A human can survive in a vacuum without permanent harm as long as they
have air supply, your ear don't burst and your eyes don't pop."

which is not accurate

russian astronauts with just a minor suit failure had medium burns on their tongues and only had so because they spend less than a few seconds with a rupture. Complete exposure would be even worse.

Modifié par Spartas Husky, 08 janvier 2011 - 05:26 .

[MaaZeus]

Spartas Husky wrote...

MaaZeus wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

MaaZeus wrote...

Cranyx wrote...

^ actually that's a common misconception. If they were in a vacuum(which I don't think they ever were) then yes, the few floating air particles would be freezing, but there would be so few of them that you would actually not freeze. A human can survive in a vacuum without permanent harm as long as they have air supply, your ear don't burst and your eyes don't pop.

There's a NASA article about it here:  imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/ask_astro/answers/970603.html

You can survive, for few minutes that is. Human body can resist vacuum for short time, but it will give in eventually and your body starts to swell and cause a lot of pain. This has been tested too, not in space but in controlled enviroments.

And you are correct, in vacuum heat transfer is incredibly poor, even if space is absolute zero cold you wont feel it for some time. Unless you hit gas cloud or other particles that are as cold as the space around it, they can transfer the heat immidietly and may snap freeze you.


And you are wrong, there are atleast two places where in ME2 you are in complete vacuum and cold space. Derelict reaper after you blow its Mass Effect field and Geth station (geth do not require air nor heat, waste of resources) where you complete a whole mission.

no idea what the page is saying but in the 70's test were made in many depressurized chambers and in space confirming you last ess than 3 minutes before dying. ima find it but the **** of it might not be that you would die but the simple pressure laws ensured, from high to low. And while the sci fi of you exploding is a lie, it is true your body losses what air it has knocking you out within seconds of exposure. This was also confirmed in Russian accidents aboard their space flights so I have no idea where you guys are getting that we are superman and can resist a couple of minutes in vaccum.

Without even counting the aforementioned the mere radiation and exposure to cosmic particles would destroy your organic ability to maintain cell integrity.

But just fmro the top of my astronomy class. When there is no atmospheric pressure water does not hold its form. Water is a tricky substance and is in basic physics and chemistry that atmospheric pressure gives water is liquid form, thus if pressure from a planet or otherwise is not present water expands nearly instantaneous which means turns into gas and boils. Any part of your body exposed to vaccum that holds or is covered in water will blow or melt; aka your tongue will be destroyed in severe injury and your eyes will melt. This is also reported in Russian accident when the Astranout had a suit rupture and all he felt was his tongue being burned out of him ecause of the saliva quickly expanding.

By tests as well your tissue will swell, and although you will not explode like some weird sci fi movie it will kill you after a minute or two

In the end you dont survive in space, period. The pressure problem quickly plays a trick on your system knocing you out within seconds, and the cosmic rays as well as a lack of heat transfer will make sure you boil from the inside out within the next 60 to 120 seconds. So no humans cannot survive in vacuum, without some sort of shields against cosmic rays and the changing state of matter within your body.

Test in chambers and accidents in space have not been lethal but have been close and they just had suit malfunctions.

In space things either boil or freeze there is no space in between. If your far away from a heat producing body you will freeze after w/e surface water boils, if your too close to a heat source you will boil since there is nothing to carry heat away from you. If we could  survive in vaccum by just having air supply for at least 60 seconds I would have think astronauts who went to the moon would have at least peed on the moon for the hell of it... or placed their bare foot on moon ground, or touched it with their bare hands.

That is what I meant with few minutes. You will black out due to complete lack of oxygen in some seconds and if you try to hold your breath, it will rupture your lungs. In few minutes your body starts to swell, your blood and other liquids starts to boil and severe damage starts to happen. You might still survive this if you get dragged into safety in time like that astronaut, but vacuum exposure will definetly kill you and fast.

nah dude sry should nto have quoted u. Was talking to cranyx  because he said  en quote:

"A human can survive in a vacuum without permanent harm as long as they
have air supply, your ear don't burst and your eyes don't pop."

which is not accurate

russian astronauts with just a minor suit failure had medium burns on their tongues and only had so because they spend less than a few seconds with a rupture. Complete exposure would be even worse.

No harm done.




About your body melting, I'm not really sure if that happens. Liquid when it is in vacuum boils, but it is not hot. It is still same temperature as it was but due to lack of pressure its boiling point lowers and therefore it vaporates, becomes steam. Opposite situation is also possible and used. In normal air pressure (1 bar give or take IIRC) water starts to boil in 100 celsius. But in higher pressure the boiling point gets higher. This is effectively used in modern car engine cooling where the cooling liquid is pressurised so it wont boil even if it reaches 100C. Thats why you are not allowed to open the cooling liquid container of your car when it is hot because the released pressure will splash the hot water all around burning you.

About the russian astronaut (kosmonaut) I dont remember anything about tongue burning, just saliva boiling. It still shouldnt be hot due to above mentioned reasons, unless my physics class failed me completely. It boils just because its boiling point lowers.

Modifié par MaaZeus, 08 janvier 2011 - 05:34 .

[GodWood]

Spartas Husky wrote...

Flamewielder wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...
god man how can I get miranda and jacob in that suit....

Or the nice Cerberus Armor from the DLC; it's nice looking even if I never make my Shep wear it... (Kestrel Armor FTW!) It even has a Cerberus logo on it, for those cheerleader-types.

well then I'll stick to modding. if I had to pay 3-5 bucks for a poor azz excuse for an inventory system to bioware, i rather have miranda in w/e she has right now. Unless is free nvm about it.

<_<

Just to clarify, the Cerberus Assault Armor is for Shepard only and is available free on the Cerberus Network.