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LOKI Mechs = Hardest Enemies On Insanity

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Posté 07 janvier 2011 - 07:11

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The hardest enemies on Insanity for me are the LOKI mechs. Now before you laugh at my n00bishness, and before I go into my long but perfectly reasoned rant, I'll put it briefly: I haven't found any "Golden Solution" against mass LOKI mechs. Against any other type of enemy, there's one thing that works really well against it. But against mass LOKI mechs, there is none. Let me explain:


One Power/Ammo Type is Never Enough:

They are Synthetic, but they have Armor. So Disruptor Ammo/Overload/Energy Drain alone won't work well, but Incendiary Ammo/Incinerate/Warp/Reave alone won't work well either.


You Have To, And Yet Cannot Stay In Cover:

They come in hoards with rapid fire weapons (Shuriken), pinning you down in cover.

But you can't stay in cover for ever, because they never take cover and keep advancing on you like mindless idiots.


They are not easy to Deal With At Any Range, With Any Weapon:

You can't rush in and engage them in close quarters (like against Husks) either, because they have this electrical stun attack (which is triggered whenever you're in close range AND when they die) that staggers much worst that the Husks's melee, and never misses when you're in range.

So you try to snipe them as fast as possible, but you can't because there's just too many of them and not enough Sniper ammo (unless you're a Viper Soldier/Infiltrator, that is).

So you try to use an automatic weapon (SMG/Assault Rifle) but that leaves you out of cover for two long, letting their crossfire of 12 Shurikens which never run out of ammo burn out your shields in a split second.


Even Super Combos Won't Work:

Even combo AOE attacks won't work. Incinaration Blast => Area Overload/Warp Bombs can kill of a group of 3 or 4 in spectacular fashion, but look there's another group coming up right around the corner! They seem to have the worst kind of infinite respawns of all enemies.


Heavy Weapons? Nah...

I don't use heavy weapons. Even if I do, I doubt if I can find enough ammo to kill the LOKI hordes/ if it's worth the HW ammo.


Please Just Show Me A Fast Way of Killing Them:

LOKI mechs. Not tough, but definitely hella annoying. There's just no good way to kill them fast in large numbers. Flashbang works for a few seconds, but Insanity power duration penalty really screws you over.


Note: Mass LOKI mechs are most notable in Jacob's loyalty mission, and the N7 mission where you have to shut down a rogue VI.

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Posté 07 janvier 2011 - 07:36

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You need to keep pressing forward on the N7 Loki factory mission. It's supposed to be hard, it's a factory that's non-stop producing them. There are so many corners in that mission though it makes it easy to melee them if they approach your position. Just pop out of cover and double tap them. Two melee strikes will almost always knock an arm off AT LEAST no matter if they're fully armored or not. Up close they are paper plates.

Jacob's does mission does not have infinite respawns so Incineration Blast + Area Pull should mop up nicely.  Garrus' loyalty mission has lots, but you can ignore them and go climb up some crates to the right and kill the rocket trooper and the elite and the robots stop coming.

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Posté 07 janvier 2011 - 07:37

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Incendiary/AP/warp ammo will still give bonus damage against their armour and health, AFAIK. It just won't stun them like disruptor.

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Posté 07 janvier 2011 - 08:35

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Yeah the enemies that just advance on you are some of the toughest. You might just don't have enough time to kill them all. I play adepts normally and singularity is awesome vs them. Yeah the armor means they wont get ragdolled, but they have predictable paths and it chain staggers them giving you plenty of time to advance and clean take them out. Advancing is the only way to stop respawns.

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Posté 07 janvier 2011 - 08:40

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ScroguBlitzen wrote...

You need to keep pressing forward on the N7 Loki factory mission. It's supposed to be hard, it's a factory that's non-stop producing them. There are so many corners in that mission though it makes it easy to melee them if they approach your position. Just pop out of cover and double tap them. Two melee strikes will almost always knock an arm off AT LEAST no matter if they're fully armored or not. Up close they are paper plates.


That's something new to me. Need to be careful with their electric stun though.

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Posté 07 janvier 2011 - 08:40

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Ahglock wrote...

Yeah the enemies that just advance on you are some of the toughest. You might just don't have enough time to kill them all. I play adepts normally and singularity is awesome vs them. Yeah the armor means they wont get ragdolled, but they have predictable paths and it chain staggers them giving you plenty of time to advance and clean take them out. Advancing is the only way to stop respawns.


So true. Ah I may finally play an Adept after all...

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Posté 07 janvier 2011 - 08:42

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hong wrote...

Incendiary/AP/warp ammo will still give bonus damage against their armour and health, AFAIK. It just won't stun them like disruptor.


People in another thread suggested that AP ammo as the best solution. I personally find Incendiary less helpful than Cryo against them...

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Posté 07 janvier 2011 - 09:09

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Really? Shoot their legs - they are no threat if they are crawling on the ground.

Or take Tali/Legion and use their AI Hacking (if you don't have your own), which makes any LOKI fights very easy.

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Posté 07 janvier 2011 - 10:05

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Kronner wrote...

Really? Shoot their legs - they are no threat if they are crawling on the ground.
Or take Tali/Legion and use their AI Hacking (if you don't have your own), which makes any LOKI fights very easy.


Shooting off their legs is one method to deal with them, but that requires taking down the armor and then you can shoot them anyway.
AI Hacking is gold against any synthetic enemy, be it Mechs or Geth. Especially the lower tier enemies (LOKI or Geth Troopers) are hacked as long as the cooldown needs to recharge even with one point skill only and on insanity (Shepard only of course/Squadmates have double recharge times, thus only achieving the same results on Improved Hacking).
A hacked enemy immediately draws the attention of nearby former Allies to himself and gives enough time to easily pick off stradlers whilst they are busy.

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Posté 07 janvier 2011 - 10:32

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Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

Kronner wrote...

Really? Shoot their legs - they are no threat if they are crawling on the ground.
Or take Tali/Legion and use their AI Hacking (if you don't have your own), which makes any LOKI fights very easy.


Shooting off their legs is one method to deal with them, but that requires taking down the armor and then you can shoot them anyway.


I can easily Charge + Claymore LOKI mech...which also blows its legs off :D

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Posté 07 janvier 2011 - 10:37

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I thought you were joking when i saw this thread title. But obviously not.

They are easier to kill than normal merc's for me. If you are solider or have an assault rifle just equip incendiary ammo all the time. The armour drops away and theres no point switching so you just pile your rounds into it. For all other class's the M-5, if you have it is mega effective, it kills the armour and rips the limbs from them.



Just dont use smg's and shoty's as they waste ammo on them.

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Posté 07 janvier 2011 - 01:20

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 I think they're my Achilles heel as well.

I remember one time doing the 1st Mech mission (where you have to escape to the shuttle) I had one nearby with the YMIR. I got the Loki to the point it was just crawling. It crawled next to me and blew itself up, which knocked me out of cover and the YMIR cut me to shreds.

Damn Loki's

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Posté 07 janvier 2011 - 06:31

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Shockwave works well for buying time. The straight line pattern of shockwaves matches the LOKI attack pattern, so it's easy to affect most if not all of the mechs.

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Posté 07 janvier 2011 - 06:32

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I find fenris mechs worse (and klixen for that matter), because at least for loki mechs you can shoot parts off them, and singularity works wonders.

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Posté 07 janvier 2011 - 06:36

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I can't really see how LOKI are dangerous, unless you're an over-defensive player, who sticks to one piece of cover through the entire fight.
They're probably the easiest enemy to out-flank, out-manouver and out-run.

EDIT: Oh, and they're the easiest ones to get headshots on them aswell.

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Posté 07 janvier 2011 - 07:14

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Yeah FENRIS will travel faster than LOKI's, get in melee range and knock you out of cover. At least with LOKI's you have enough time to plan your attack while they slowly approach you.

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Posté 07 janvier 2011 - 07:35

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Kronner wrote...

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

Kronner wrote...

Really? Shoot their legs - they are no threat if they are crawling on the ground.
Or take Tali/Legion and use their AI Hacking (if you don't have your own), which makes any LOKI fights very easy.


Shooting off their legs is one method to deal with them, but that requires taking down the armor and then you can shoot them anyway.


I can easily Charge + Claymore LOKI mech...which also blows its legs off :D


Ah, that makes sense. Treat them like Husks. I've been aiming for the head with my shotgun like against organic troopers - legs are easier to hit.

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Posté 07 janvier 2011 - 07:38

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Whereto wrote...

I thought you were joking when i saw this thread title. But obviously not.
They are easier to kill than normal merc's for me. If you are solider or have an assault rifle just equip incendiary ammo all the time. The armour drops away and theres no point switching so you just pile your rounds into it. For all other class's the M-5, if you have it is mega effective, it kills the armour and rips the limbs from them.

Just dont use smg's and shoty's as they waste ammo on them.


I tried it out and you're right. Heavy Pistols (any of the 3) is the way to go. Armor piercing + high impact = dismantled LOKIs.

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Posté 07 janvier 2011 - 07:40

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Njorls wrote...

 I think they're my Achilles heel as well.

I remember one time doing the 1st Mech mission (where you have to escape to the shuttle) I had one nearby with the YMIR. I got the Loki to the point it was just crawling. It crawled next to me and blew itself up, which knocked me out of cover and the YMIR cut me to shreds.

Damn Loki's


Yeah! That's what I'm saying! Even a LOKI without legs and crawling on the ground can kill you. It's ridiculous. They're like Abominations, but can shoot and come in larger numbers.

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Posté 07 janvier 2011 - 07:43

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I can't really see how LOKI are dangerous, unless you're an over-defensive player, who sticks to one piece of cover through the entire fight.
They're probably the easiest enemy to out-flank, out-manouver and out-run.


That is true when there's a possibily to out-maneuver them (Thane Recruitment - you can ignore them altogether and keep pushing forward). In other cases (Jacob Loyalty, Capek N7 Mission) you out-maneuver one group of them just to run into the next group.

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Posté 07 janvier 2011 - 07:45

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Curunen wrote...

I find fenris mechs worse (and klixen for that matter), because at least for loki mechs you can shoot parts off them, and singularity works wonders.


Sparroww wrote...

Yeah FENRIS will travel faster than
LOKI's, get in melee range and knock you out of cover. At least with
LOKI's you have enough time to plan your attack while they slowly
approach you.


It's much easier to outmaneuver FENRIS's, varrens and husks, because they don't shoot at you when you dance around them. LOKI's are Abominations with guns.

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Posté 07 janvier 2011 - 10:30

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Garrus Tali and me.



garrus casta area oerload makes their weapons useless. I use avalanche freeze wepaon very good against armor, tali casts ai hacking, I cast tech armor, recharges all powers of allies. garrus again casts overload makes foes wepaon useless,tali now uses explosive drone. We all go in like crazy vanguards right next to the hacked mech and combat drone, if anyone comes to close drone is there.



If they kill the drone the drone stuns them, or the mech stuns em.... 5 against everyone.... awesome.

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Posté 07 janvier 2011 - 11:34

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I shoot them, in the face, with the Viper, Mattock, or Carnifex, depending.

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Posté 07 janvier 2011 - 11:36

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Damn straight they're the hardest enemies on insanity- it's embarrassing!

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Posté 07 janvier 2011 - 11:50

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iOnlySignIn wrote...

LOKI's are Abominations with guns.


Yeah, their close-range attack is pretty damn powerful. AI Hacking is wonderful though: they will fight for you and their close-range attacks are devastating against nearby enemies. LOKI's always operate in groups, Hack one and they attack and kill each other very fast. You only have to clean up the remaining scrap metal :)
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