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[Katamariguy]

 Deux Ex Machina MacGuffin
OR
Hey Rupert, make some more Asari calamari gumbo please!

[Katamariguy]

shnizzler93 wrote...



With this...

Ah yes, "Martians."

[008Zulu]

A stand up fight would be suicide. Even with the fancy new guns, casualties would be significant. Yet it is looking like it appears to be the only way it can be done.



As for the weapon recovered that killed the Reaper, it was just the slug, not the aparatus that launched it, the Reapers would not be so careless to leave something like that laying around, to say nothing if they developed an effective countermeasure.

[marshalleck]

Herve81 wrote...

Kristofer1 wrote...

Cerberus found that weapon that took out the derelict reaper. I am sure that will come into play.

THIS. Having just played the mission also the Illusive Man confirms in the dialogue that this weapon has been recovered by Cerberus and is being researched.

FYI:-

At some point, Cerberus
discovered the Derelict Reaper and dispatched a research team led by a
Dr. Chandana to study it. It is believed that 37 million years ago, an
unknown spacefaring race fired a mass accelerator round of incredible
speed and power at the Reaper, which hit and disabled it. The round
continued moving, eventually impacting the planet Klendagon and creating the Great Rift Valley there.

Klendagon's most striking feature is, of course, the Great Rift valley
that stretches across the southern hemisphere. What is most fascinating
about the Rift is that it does not appear to be natural. The geological
record suggests it is the result of a "glancing blow" by a mass accelerator round of unimaginable destructive power. This occurred some thirty-seven million years ago.


This ladies and gentlemen is our saviour. I think it will feature heavily in ME3.

Oh please. What are we going to do, ask the Reapers to please line up single file and patiently wait their turn for our super mega mass accelerator? come on, it obviously didn't save that civilization, why would it save ours?

also lots of people in this thread need to go brush up on what 'deus ex machina' means in regard to works of fiction

Modifié par marshalleck, 08 janvier 2011 - 12:19 .

[Baconated]

At the risk of this sounding like the plot of Mass Effect 2, couldn't it make sense for Shepard to use the Mass Relay within the Citadel to travel into dark space to either hit the Reapers where they live(ed) or find out some weakness? I figure there must be a reason the Reapers spend so much time so far away from any galactic civilization.

[Deathwurm]

OK..I'm a Life-Long Star Trek fan so I'm going to use them as an example...

Within the Galaxy Star Trek layed out for us, the Borg were seemingly unbeatable, but the actions of a very small Group beat them when whole Fleets of Starships were simply "brushed aside"...

However it's done, that will be how it's accomplished...a few extraordinary individuals using their unique gifts to exploit the weaknesses of an "All Powerful" Enemy.

[Fiery Phoenix]

I imagine Paragon Shepard covincing the Reaper fleets to just go. Charming them with an option like "Please, we don't have to do this. Leave us alone and everyone is happy."

That would probably be the best weapon.

[Dean_the_Young]

Baconated wrote...

At the risk of this sounding like the plot of Mass Effect 2, couldn't it make sense for Shepard to use the Mass Relay within the Citadel to travel into dark space to either hit the Reapers where they live(ed) or find out some weakness? I figure there must be a reason the Reapers spend so much time so far away from any galactic civilization.

The Dark Citadel theory?

[Herve81]

008Zulu wrote...
As for the weapon recovered that killed the Reaper, it was just the slug, not the aparatus that launched it, the Reapers would not be so careless to leave something like that laying around, to say nothing if they developed an effective countermeasure.

Wrong. The science team sent by Cerberus found both the weapon, and its target (i.e. the derelict reaper)

This vid here confirms it all:


Also....the reapers were careless enough to let the Protheans have a back door key to the citadel, were careless enough to not find the VI on Ilos and were careless enough not to realize the keepers on the citadel to be subverted. So out goes that argument.

As for a countermeasure, the Illusive man says it was a very old mass accelerator weapon. Hence Cerberus recovering it and stuyding it. I'm sure improvements could be made including the need to ask the reapers to "line up" while we take shots at them. I'm sure the study and refinement of this weapon just in time to save earth will form at least a small portion of ME3.

[Herve81]

marshalleck wrote...

Herve81 wrote...

Kristofer1 wrote...

Cerberus found that weapon that took out the derelict reaper. I am sure that will come into play.

THIS. Having just played the mission also the Illusive Man confirms in the dialogue that this weapon has been recovered by Cerberus and is being researched.

FYI:-

At some point, Cerberus
discovered the Derelict Reaper and dispatched a research team led by a
Dr. Chandana to study it. It is believed that 37 million years ago, an
unknown spacefaring race fired a mass accelerator round of incredible
speed and power at the Reaper, which hit and disabled it. The round
continued moving, eventually impacting the planet Klendagon and creating the Great Rift Valley there.

Klendagon's most striking feature is, of course, the Great Rift valley
that stretches across the southern hemisphere. What is most fascinating
about the Rift is that it does not appear to be natural. The geological
record suggests it is the result of a "glancing blow" by a mass accelerator round of unimaginable destructive power. This occurred some thirty-seven million years ago.


This ladies and gentlemen is our saviour. I think it will feature heavily in ME3.

Oh please. What are we going to do, ask the Reapers to please line up single file and patiently wait their turn for our super mega mass accelerator? come on, it obviously didn't save that civilization, why would it save ours?

also lots of people in this thread need to go brush up on what 'deus ex machina' means in regard to works of fiction

Please see my post above. The thread ask how can the reapers be stopped. This seems the most plausible to me. Also, check out the youtube vid i posted. It's pretty clear cut wouldn't you say?

[xxLDZxx]

There will be more than one posibel end.

I think one will be hat we have the dark energy thing that blows sun´s and we get the decision to blow the sol Sun and kill all repers but destroying erth and bringing humanty near extinsion(the deus ex machina).

mybe the harbi is some kind of uber zombi ship and if you kill him the whole enemy fleet gets destroyd.
Shep and harby in a fist fight to death.

Who knows, we will see in Me3 how the whole story ends.

Modifié par xxLDZxx, 08 janvier 2011 - 03:45 .

[Cyberstrike nTo]

I think Dark Energy will have something to do with stopping the Reapers it was mentioned by several different people (Tali, Kal Reiger, Veetor, Gianna, etc)  numberous times in Mass Effect 2.   

Modifié par Cyberstrike nTo, 08 janvier 2011 - 03:56 .

[PnXMarcin1PL]

FlintlockJazz wrote...

How can the Reapers be stopped?

WITH LOVE!!

ME3 should have Harbinger as a potential LI!

^this

[geertmans]

You know what would be awesome? Different endings where one is a lost cause, fighting against something thats invincible and accepting that total annihilation is imminent. Would be even better that this is the paragon ending. In other words, paragon's would have to pick the renegade option and sacrifice their integrity and perhaps a lot of people due to Shepards actions if they want to win from the reapers. I think it would make things a lot more emotional. Don't think BioWare developers would survive the nerdrage either lol. Of course the chance exists that the renegade ending would be a lot more rewarding for the pure renegades but perhaps that could involve sheer human tyranny or something.

[thatguy212]

[Timberley]

Ah yes... Love... We have dismissed that claim.

Personally, I think that whilst massing allies to our cause (something that theoretically we began back in ME1), we'll end up following some sort of quest to look for a hidden piece of tech/intel on suspected reaper weakness/faffing about in Prothean ruins (delete as applicable). 

Unless Bioware surprises us and ends ME3 with a galaxy in grimdark, proving that whilst Shep may be a legend he/she is not a fecking God, we'll end up with some sort of Deus Ex Machina to help us save the day.  It's rather twee in some senses, but somewhat stock really, particularly when the 'Big Bad' has been built up to be unstoppable.

However, this depends on Bioware making ME3 a standalone entry for newcomers in the same vein as ME2 (though why you'd want to join a trilogy of games at #3 is anyone's guess), which would be a bit of a pain in the behind and no mistake.

One thing that does strike me, from a backstory PoV, is that the Reapers have always been successful in the past because they shut down the relay network, decapitated the galaxy-wide government, etc by taking over the Citadel.  Since you prevented that in ME1, some of their capabilities will have been reduced, particularly now as the various races should still be able to use the relay network, thus making the 'large combined fleet hammers Reapers' ending a possibility.

Plus, if we do save the Earth with a massive force of arms, it'll give Bioware some options for DLC, as I'm sure there'll be Reaper remanents or such for us to hunt down (not all reapers destroyed at the Battle for earth, etc).

This is all idle speculation, but I thought I'd add my opinion to the mix.

Tim

[Baconated]

My bad, I had not read your theory yet. Good idea though =)

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Baconated wrote...

At the risk of this sounding like the plot of Mass Effect 2, couldn't it make sense for Shepard to use the Mass Relay within the Citadel to travel into dark space to either hit the Reapers where they live(ed) or find out some weakness? I figure there must be a reason the Reapers spend so much time so far away from any galactic civilization.

The Dark Citadel theory?

[JamieCOTC]

Shepard and Co. will plow through a large group of ammo fodder bad guys, make a big tough decision, and will finally face off the large and powerful big bad with his/her boom sticks. The end.

[SandTrout]

Boarding Parties.

You're correct that a stand-up space battle with the Reapers would be suicidal. However, without their shields, Reapers have proven vulnerable. A stealth vessel, such as the Kodiak, with specially designed technology to locally cancel out a kinetic barrier by using it's own mass-effect core could land a strike team on-board a Reaper. This strike team could either find and disable the Mass Effect core of the reaper, or plant a suitably sized nuke within its superstructure.

Granted, even once you're inside the Reaper, there will no doubt be an indoctrinated horde blocking your path and trying to disable the device, so this particular assignment would likely be left to the Specters, Assari Commandos, N7 teams, and other special forces who have specialized training in sabotage and demolition.

This would fit with the TPS genre in that Shepard's team would be one of many in fights to take down the Reapers from the inside, when he's not busy uniting the galaxy. Shepard would also likely be taking out the most strategically critical Reapers that are threatening our most valuable assets.

When a slug-fest isn't going to work out in your favor, look for alternative tactics.

[008Zulu]

Herve81 wrote...
Wrong. The science team sent by Cerberus found both the weapon, and its target (i.e. the derelict reaper)

If someone developed a huge space gun capable of one-shotting anything wandering through it's firing arc, would you leave it intact for someone to find and use against you again? An advanced space faring species such as the Reapers wouldnt be that stupid.

With the recovered slug however, they could reverse engineer the weapon that fired it.

Perhaps the final battle wont be won in combat. Reapers are machines, and they think like machines. If there were sufficient cause, they may choose to pursue peaceful coexistance rather than face extinction. A situation would have to be devised that would give the Reapers the impression that a victory through armed conflict would result in their loosing. Perhaps "letting" them know that every combat capable ship in the galaxy has been fitted with Thanix cannons, after a small skirmish to see how these new weapons perform the Reapers may give diplomacy a go.

[Herve81]

008Zulu wrote...

Herve81 wrote...
Wrong. The science team sent by Cerberus found both the weapon, and its target (i.e. the derelict reaper)

If someone developed a huge space gun capable of one-shotting anything wandering through it's firing arc, would you leave it intact for someone to find and use against you again? An advanced space faring species such as the Reapers wouldnt be that stupid.

With the recovered slug however, they could reverse engineer the weapon that fired it.

Perhaps the final battle wont be won in combat. Reapers are machines, and they think like machines. If there were sufficient cause, they may choose to pursue peaceful coexistance rather than face extinction. A situation would have to be devised that would give the Reapers the impression that a victory through armed conflict would result in their loosing. Perhaps "letting" them know that every combat capable ship in the galaxy has been fitted with Thanix cannons, after a small skirmish to see how these new weapons perform the Reapers may give diplomacy a go.

Read my post again. The youtuve vid confirms the weapon being recovered.

[adam_grif]

Boarding Parties.

Or they could use whatever magical kinetic barrier bypass method they have to simply carry a 10 megatonne bomb and detonate as soon as it got past the barriers. It doesn't even ahve to plant it somewhere vulnerable, we've already seen that Reapers are pretty wimpy once their shields are down (got completely gutted by a single disruptor torp, end to end).



Cruisers with a single, super-large UV laser would also work well since barriers don't stop light. Even thought it won't do amazing damage, it will at least do some damage, burn out optics and shield emitters etc.

[slxiii]

FlintlockJazz wrote...

How can the Reapers be stopped?

WITH LOVE!!

ME3 should have Harbinger as a potential LI!

"I know you feel this"
"Shepard, submit now"
"Impressive, Shepard"
this puts all of harbingers dialogue in a different perspective...