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[catabuca]

PrinceOfFallout13 wrote...

im sorry but graphics are good i prefer decent graphics great gameplay and awesome story over godly graphics, lame gameplay and a crapstactular story >(

This.

As the good folk of BW have said time and time again, they have to make decisions when creating a game. Their emphasis is on outstanding stories, compelling characters, and, in this game, making improvements to gameplay that feel more natural to players of all platforms and that complements the narrative. I'll take that any day over them using those resources to improve graphics beyond a necessary evolution as we see here in DA2. It'd be great if they could make some kind of paradigm-shifting leap in graphics across all platforms, but it'd be a crying shame if it came at the expense of an awesome game.

[ViSeiRa]

ankuu wrote...
ME2's hair looked worse than DA2's hair...the female hair looked like it came from some of those dress up games.

Can't argue with you there, grahpics rarely turns me off and DA2 is not an exception, I really like the "art direction", just not the way it was executed. 

[nightcobra]

catabuca wrote...

PrinceOfFallout13 wrote...

im sorry but graphics are good i prefer decent graphics great gameplay and awesome story over godly graphics, lame gameplay and a crapstactular story >(

This.

As the good folk of BW have said time and time again, they have to make decisions when creating a game. Their emphasis is on outstanding stories, compelling characters, and, in this game, making improvements to gameplay that feel more natural to players of all platforms and that complements the narrative. I'll take that any day over them using those resources to improve graphics beyond a necessary evolution as we see here in DA2. It'd be great if they could make some kind of paradigm-shifting leap in graphics across all platforms, but it'd be a crying shame if it came at the expense of an awesome game.

like...ff13 *shrugs* it's pretty but devoid of the content that made the series special

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

Maria13 wrote...

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

Gabey5 wrote...

why is he dlc.. dont release the game prematurely

He comes with the SE if you preorder and get the upgrade.  If I understand correctly you will be able to buy him later if you buy the standard game for $7 (USA currency) or whatever points. 

Just go to DA2's home page and read the information. 

If I'm not mistaken he becomes a full-time companion and I speculate he could become a love interest.  I don't see why not, dlc aside.  I think him becoming a full companion would change this status. 

Wouldn't more people buy him if he was a love interest?

LOL, probably.  I can see it now.  Server meltdowns at all retail outlets if this is confirmed before the SE deadline.

[Estelindis]

trickybunny wrote...

That is true, but DLC characters kinda have a track record for being off limits when it comes to sexy time. There's also more characters to be revealed so, I think the chances of Sab being a LI are slim to none....though as I've said many times that's never stopped anyone...

I do still think the chances aren't great, but they're better than they'd other be for a DLC character.  I guess I'd just find it surprising if there wasn't a single human male love interest in the game...  And Sebastian does look so dashing.

Of course, as you say, there may be more human male party members on the cards that we haven't seen yet.  I seem to recall that our leading man for DA:O, Alistair, was revealed
fairly early on though; I'd expect a human male to make more of an appearance in the marketing.  (No, hang on - wait.  Kaidan never got much press in the lead-up to Mass Effect, did he?  Maybe it's the human leading ladies who get more press - like Isabela in this case.)  If they are holding back a human male character (maybe
a mage?) I'll be interested to find out more about him...  (I honestly think our most likely candidates for the last two party members are a male human mage and a female elven mage - but what do I know?)

On the oher hand, the dev team may have decided to be daring and foresake human male LIs, make Varric and Fenris our options.    (I'm assuming there'll be two options per gender, though of course this may be incorrect as well.)

[AngelicMachinery]

filaminstrel wrote...

So if all of this is SE only, where is the new vs used purchase incentive? Do people who buy it new (but don't pre-order) get anything beyond what they'd get if they buy it used? That seemed like a good strategy and I don't know why they'd abandon it. If they are.

extremely over powered weapons I would guess.

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

filaminstrel wrote...

So if all of this is SE only, where is the new vs used purchase incentive? Do people who buy it new (but don't pre-order) get anything beyond what they'd get if they buy it used? That seemed like a good strategy and I don't know why they'd abandon it. If they are.

Our new prince will be available for dlc even if you don't buy the SE.  Seems to me that Bioware/EA have covered their base  regardless of a player buying new or used.  JMHO.   It really is a player's choice and how they want to spend or not spend their money.

My son buys used games all the time and sometimes he will still buy dlc for a used game if he wants it.  Once again player's choice on how you want to spend your money.  I don't see the point in buying dlc if a player is going to the sell their game in the future.  That just seems silly to me.

Modifié par ElvaliaRavenHart, 07 janvier 2011 - 08:00 .

[Felfenix]

It's sad to see some people only care about graphics and sex scenes.

[Gavinthelocust]

Finally, someone with a scottish accent that isn't a drunken dwarf or a brutal kilt wearing idiot in a game. While his backstory is a bit cliche(human noble anyone? hell, even Nathaniel!) I think he'll be interesting.

[Maria Caliban]

PrinceOfFallout13 wrote...

im sorry but graphics are good i prefer decent graphics great gameplay and awesome story over godly graphics, lame gameplay and a crapstactular story >(

Indeed.

[Erode_The_Soul]

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

filaminstrel wrote...

So if all of this is SE only, where is the new vs used purchase incentive? Do people who buy it new (but don't pre-order) get anything beyond what they'd get if they buy it used? That seemed like a good strategy and I don't know why they'd abandon it. If they are.

Our new prince will be available for dlc.  Seems to me that Bioware/EA have covered their bases where regardless of a player buying new or used.  JMHO.

I think that comment was in comparison to how Shale was handled.
Shale was an incentive for buying DA new, because if you purchased a used copy, she cost $15. Seb is apparently an incentive to pre-order, which leaves buying new on par with buying used, as either way he's going to cost $7 (I think).
So I'd wager that more people would buy used at a lower price point, since there is no apparent incentive to buy new.

Modifié par Erode_The_Soul, 07 janvier 2011 - 07:58 .

[Blacklash93]

PrinceOfFallout13 wrote...

im sorry but graphics are good i prefer decent graphics great gameplay and awesome story over godly graphics, lame gameplay and a crapstactular story >(

*Sigh* People act like there's some sort of invisible scale where you have to balance out the quality of these different aspects of a game when they say these things. There isn't.

You don't trade graphics for a better story. You don't trade better gameplay for better visuals. These things are all worked on seperately.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 07 janvier 2011 - 08:07 .

[Teddie Sage]

I'm disappointed. Another exiled prince like Alistair or Aragorn. This is too common in medieval stories. But I guess I can give the devs some credits for making a new potential love interests for the ladies.

[the_one_54321]

Daewan wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...
You should wait then,  I unfortunatly don't find myself having the luxury.  I'm far to excited,  so I preordered and got a bit of a kick back in return.  So,  I think that's pretty cool.  I'm not trying to force you,  but I'm just really confused about why you've got your underwear in a knot.

Because I like BioWare. So every time they do something new that reminds me of a scheisty car salesman (and the instances have been gradually mounting) it makes me sad/upset.

Fact: New game sales make money for EA and BioWare.
Fact: Used game sales do not make money for EA and BioWare.

Problem: How to encourage new game sales?
Solution: Offer content that is exclusive to new games.

Issue: Exclusive content is ... exclusive.
Resolution: 

• Offer exclusive content well in advance of release with plenty of warning and as much information as possible so that the consumers can make an informed decision.  [check]
• Make sure exclusive content is not necessary content, but still appealing and interesting, so that the consumers can make an informed decision.  [check]

BioWare is offering more so that they get more.  What exactly is wrong with that?  Are you assuming the other option would be that they simply add it in for free and just sell that to everyone without making any other changes.  That is highly unlikely; what would probably happen is that they would add in extra content and raise the price another $30 or $40 dollars to cover the necessary costs.

Every pre-order is a (mostly) guaranteed sale.  That means EA/BioWare can start projecting sales numbers ahead of time, and that information is very valuable for many reasons that I won't go into because this isn't a business economics class.  Encouraging pre-orders is not the same thing as trying to sell undercoating.

Bottom line: What is your entertainment worth to you?  I wanted the soundtrack more than anything, so I happily pre-ordered ages ago.  Now I'm giddy to know that I get such a cool bonus character in the bargain.  Some people want to wait for the reviews.  It's not worth it to them to pre-order under any circumstances, because they need to more about the game.  Different people have different priorities.  In the end, really, it's still just a game.

The difference, the thing that made Shale alright and makes this system not alright, is that with Shale anyone who bought the game new got it for free and now the only ones that get it are those that pay extra or buy it within the next three days. This does not work for the "promoting new game sales" argument.

[Jaulen]

Erode_The_Soul wrote...

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

filaminstrel wrote...

So if all of this is SE only, where is the new vs used purchase incentive? Do people who buy it new (but don't pre-order) get anything beyond what they'd get if they buy it used? That seemed like a good strategy and I don't know why they'd abandon it. If they are.

Our new prince will be available for dlc.  Seems to me that Bioware/EA have covered their bases where regardless of a player buying new or used.  JMHO.

I think that comment was in comparison to how Shale was handled.
Shale was an incentive for buying DA new, because if you purchased a used copy, she cost $15. Seb is apparently an incentive to pre-order, which leaves buying new on par with buying used, as either way he's going to cost $7 (I think).
So I'd wager that more people would buy used at a lower price point, since there is no apparent incentive to buy new.

I thought the reason SHale came included with new copies is becuase she was intented to be an original companion to begin with, but that there were some graphics programming issues with her they couldn't get worked out prior to the game being released....something about not fitting through doors?

Modifié par Jaulen, 07 janvier 2011 - 08:00 .

[Tamyn]

trickybunny wrote...

Oooo come on guys your gonna have to stop with the cute characters, his name is Sebastian and he's a prince for gods sake I expect plenty of this:

And he's probably not romanceable, since he's DLC. Sigh. Why did they have to make him so attractive?

[catabuca]

Also on the love interest topic, if he is an LI (which I don't think he will be, more's the pity because I do love to perv over pixels and his pixels are rather dashing) it's even more unlikely he will be the m/m option. Can you imagine what people will say if you have to pay for the gay? It wouldn't be, well, the wisest of strategies, imvho.

[Brockololly]

The issue I have is that one of the big bullet points BioWare has been harping about for DA2 was that they'd improve the graphics. Now they've changed the art style, but I'm not seeing how they've done anything to actually improve the graphics from a technical standpoint. Maybe its noticably better on the consoles compared to Origins, but most of the stuff I've seen thus far reminds me of Origins when you set things on medium or low.



But of course I know they're still working on them and really hope they look better than this come March.

[Shepard Lives]

Teddie Sage wrote...

I'm disappointed. Another exiled prince like Alistair or Aragorn. This is too common in medieval stories. But I guess I can give the devs some credits for making a new potential love interests for the ladies.

I fail to see what Alistair and Aragorn have in common with this dude beyond the princeness. None of the three was removed from the throne in the same way.

[lv12medic]

filaminstrel wrote...

So if all of this is SE only, where is the new vs used purchase incentive? Do people who buy it new (but don't pre-order) get anything beyond what they'd get if they buy it used? That seemed like a good strategy and I don't know why they'd abandon it. If they are.

Well, the way they are advertising Sebastian it appears to be free with the Signature Edition otherwise it's $7, but I haven't actually seen any proof that he is only free with the Signature Edition period.  He may come with all new games, but I don't think we will find out until January 12th.

Gain the prince’s allegiance as part of The Exiled Prince downloadable
pack included in the BioWare Signature Edition, or available separately
for $7 or 560 Microsoft Points.

That is the exact quote from the website.  I do agree that the way Shale was handled as incentive for new-vs.-used game was a good model.  Having incentive for pre-orders before a certain date (not just all pre-orders like pre-order incentives from the past worked) is kinda weird.  Of course there's no collector's edition either.  And there is no information on what pre-orders will have after January 11th (if anything), or what new games will have after March 8th (if anything).

[Jaulen]

Umm....I don't see the character trailer anywhere on the official Bioware site for Sebastain yet, it was just on Youtube, from an EA ad....it looks like someone didn't have the graphics on high resolution when they ran the ad. Becuase it just looks like a better quality low-res PC video capture to me.



Go to the game play video. The graphics there are much better.

[twincast]

Maria13 wrote...

Wouldn't more people buy him if he was a love interest?

I'm assuming a DA:O-like equal opportunity situation regarding love interests.

If he's a bonus for She-Hawke and/or He-Hawke, well, fine, but unlikely.

But if he's part of the equal contribution of wuvwuv, excluding him from the vanilla version would send all sorts of wrong messages, especially if he's the bisexual option.

[Teddie Sage]

shepard_lives wrote...

Teddie Sage wrote...

I'm disappointed. Another exiled prince like Alistair or Aragorn. This is too common in medieval stories. But I guess I can give the devs some credits for making a new potential love interests for the ladies.

I fail to see what Alistair and Aragorn have in common with this dude beyond the princeness. None of the three was removed from the throne in the same way.

Still, I wasn't impressed at all when I first seen the trailer and I'm still skeptical.