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[nightcobra]

well.. his dlc price tag is indeed 7 dollars but according to project ten dollar you get aprox. 10 dollars worth of dlc when buying a new game, whether sebastian will be implemented in this system is unknown as of now but i think that the possibility is still there until i am shown the contrary (which we'll only know either when a developer tells us or at launch date)

Modifié par nightcobra8928, 07 janvier 2011 - 08:06 .

[trickybunny]

Felfenix wrote...

It's sad to see some people only care about graphics and sex scenes.

It is sad, I've never been one to gripe about graphics seeing as how I have (and I'll assume most of the posters here)seen them evolve into what they are now. How do you go from playing 8 bit to 16bit-24bit to PS1 graphics etc etc only to see something in today's era and complain about graphics? I'd say as long as it doesn't look like something that came outta the early 90's your doing a great job lol and even then I'd prefer great story telling and character development to jaw dropping eye candy, this is why I can still go back and play old games and have fun despite the graphics being "ugly" by today's standards  

[Jaulen]

lv12medic wrote...

filaminstrel wrote...

So if all of this is SE only, where is the new vs used purchase incentive? Do people who buy it new (but don't pre-order) get anything beyond what they'd get if they buy it used? That seemed like a good strategy and I don't know why they'd abandon it. If they are.

Well, the way they are advertising Sebastian it appears to be free with the Signature Edition otherwise it's $7, but I haven't actually seen any proof that he is only free with the Signature Edition period.  He may come with all new games, but I don't think we will find out until January 12th.

Gain the prince’s allegiance as part of The Exiled Prince downloadable
pack included in the BioWare Signature Edition, or available separately
for $7 or 560 Microsoft Points.

That is the exact quote from the website.  I do agree that the way Shale was handled as incentive for new-vs.-used game was a good model.  Having incentive for pre-orders before a certain date (not just all pre-orders like pre-order incentives from the past worked) is kinda weird.  Of course there's no collector's edition either.  And there is no information on what pre-orders will have after January 11th (if anything), or what new games will have after March 8th (if anything).

After the 11th, both versions of the game will be available.....with a higher price for the SE version. Preordering gets you a free upgrade....enough of this....there's already a topic about this that has been answered by Bioware.

[Herr Uhl]

Brockololly wrote...

The issue I have is that one of the big bullet points BioWare has been harping about for DA2 was that they'd improve the graphics. Now they've changed the art style, but I'm not seeing how they've done anything to actually improve the graphics from a technical standpoint. Maybe its noticably better on the consoles compared to Origins, but most of the stuff I've seen thus far reminds me of Origins when you set things on medium or low.

It is mostly the textures that are bad, I think the environment and style looks fine (as in better than origins). I hope that they've bettered them a bit since they made this video to release.

Animations have been a big improvement from Origins thus far though.

[The Elder King]

Teddie Sage wrote...

I'm disappointed. Another exiled prince like Alistair or Aragorn. This is too common in medieval stories. But I guess I can give the devs some credits for making a new potential love interests for the ladies.

First: Alistair wasn't exiled, neither Aragorn. Second: Devs specifically said that Seb is a completely different characters from Alistair. Third: Seb isn't a confirmed LI.
Forth: How do you dare to compare Alistair to Aragorn? I like Alistair, but can't compare himself to Aragorn. King Elessar is one of my favourite character of all time (both the books and the films)

Modifié par hhh89, 07 janvier 2011 - 08:10 .

[the_one_54321]

What we have here is a car salesman. He's quoted a price on a car for you. The car has a turbocharger on it. You're uncertain. You tell the salesman that you want to look around but you'll be back. The salesman then tells you that, if you leave he is going to remove the turbocharger. If you come back and want the car it won't have one, but you can buy it from him as well if you like. However, if you sign for the car now you get the whole thing at the original price. He tells you all of this with a tone and word choice as though he were doing you a favor. I don't understand why people aren't insulted by this.

[SavesTheDay]

I like how this character looks. And the accent, I like that, too.



I planned to play my first game as a rogue. I like to have one rogue, two warriors, and a mage in my party but I might have to change that with this game. I really like the rogues they have in this game.



PS. Why do people think Merrill is going to be a companion? I didn't hear anything about that.

[Erode_The_Soul]

Jaulen wrote...

I thought the reason SHale came included with new copies is becuase she was intented to be an original companion to begin with, but that there were some graphics programming issues with her they couldn't get worked out prior to the game being released....something about not fitting through doors?

Well, I heard that she was content that was cut originally but they were able to sneak her in at the last minute. But I was mainly speaking to the way her release was handled. She was free with the purchase of a new copy of DA, but she cost $15 otherwise. Whether or not it was intentional (and I believe it was) the free addition of a $15 character was incentive to buy new.
Seb is free with a pre-order dated before January 11th. That's an odd window for exclusivity and essentially makes all game purchases/preorders after January 11th on the same level as a used purchase, as both new and used games miss out on this extra content. Regardless of whether you buy new or used, Seb will cost you $7 unless you preorder in the next three days. So there's no incentive to go after a new copy since the used copy is cheaper and both versions will require an additional purchase to get the additional content.
That's the way I look at it, anyway. And this is, of course, assuming that there's not more super secret "new edition" content coming sometime down the road.

[Teddie Sage]

hhh89 wrote...

Teddie Sage wrote...

I'm disappointed. Another exiled prince like Alistair or Aragorn. This is too common in medieval stories. But I guess I can give the devs some credits for making a new potential love interests for the ladies.

First: Alistair wasn't exiled, neither Aragorn. Second: Devs specifically said that Seb is a completely different characters from Alistair. Third: Seb isn't a confirmed LI.
Forth: How do you dare to compare Alistair to Aragorn? I like Alistair, but can't compare himself to Aragorn. King Elessar is one of my favourite character of all time (both the books and the films)

Calm your fanboy hormones, please. This is foolish. We all have the right to stick to our own opinions.

Edit: I apologize for my bad temper.

Modifié par Teddie Sage, 07 janvier 2011 - 08:11 .

[magicwins]

If they release trailers that look like this after the game has gone gold, I'm going to have a good cry. And in an act of utter spite, not put the tears in a bottle and mail them to Gaider. But I will inform him, in no unclear terms, that his game made me cry and he will never see the fruits of his efforts. Ever.

How's that for a threat?!

Modifié par magicwins, 07 janvier 2011 - 08:12 .

[Felfenix]

Brockololly wrote...

The issue I have is that one of the big bullet points BioWare has been harping about for DA2 was that they'd improve the graphics. Now they've changed the art style, but I'm not seeing how they've done anything to actually improve the graphics from a technical standpoint. Maybe its noticably better on the consoles compared to Origins, but most of the stuff I've seen thus far reminds me of Origins when you set things on medium or low.

But of course I know they're still working on them and really hope they look better than this come March.

That's because they didn't change the art style for technical graphic reasons. They changed it for artistic reasons, to make the game stand out more recognizably, instead of looking like a generic fantasy setting that could be Forgotten Realms or Lord of the Rings..

[The Elder King]

Jaulen wrote...

lv12medic wrote...

filaminstrel wrote...

So if all of this is SE only, where is the new vs used purchase incentive? Do people who buy it new (but don't pre-order) get anything beyond what they'd get if they buy it used? That seemed like a good strategy and I don't know why they'd abandon it. If they are.

Well, the way they are advertising Sebastian it appears to be free with the Signature Edition otherwise it's $7, but I haven't actually seen any proof that he is only free with the Signature Edition period.  He may come with all new games, but I don't think we will find out until January 12th.

Gain the prince’s allegiance as part of The Exiled Prince downloadable
pack included in the BioWare Signature Edition, or available separately
for $7 or 560 Microsoft Points.

That is the exact quote from the website.  I do agree that the way Shale was handled as incentive for new-vs.-used game was a good model.  Having incentive for pre-orders before a certain date (not just all pre-orders like pre-order incentives from the past worked) is kinda weird.  Of course there's no collector's edition either.  And there is no information on what pre-orders will have after January 11th (if anything), or what new games will have after March 8th (if anything).

After the 11th, both versions of the game will be available.....with a higher price for the SE version. Preordering gets you a free upgrade....enough of this....there's already a topic about this that has been answered by Bioware.

In the SE faq it is said that you can't buy the SE after the 11th Jan.

[nightcobra]

the_one_54321 wrote...

What we have here is a car salesman. He's quoted a price on a car for you. The car has a turbocharger on it. You're uncertain. You tell the salesman that you want to look around but you'll be back. The salesman then tells you that, if you leave he is going to remove the turbocharger. If you come back and want the car it won't have one, but you can buy it from him as well if you like. However, if you sign for the car now you get the whole thing at the original price. He tells you all of this with a tone and word choice as though he were doing you a favor. I don't understand why people aren't insulted by this.

more like they're seeling you a car, and then if you buy it new they'll give a gps free of charge.
if  you buy the car later, no gps and if you want it, buy the gps separately.

Modifié par nightcobra8928, 07 janvier 2011 - 08:12 .

[The Elder King]

Teddie Sage wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

Teddie Sage wrote...

I'm disappointed. Another exiled prince like Alistair or Aragorn. This is too common in medieval stories. But I guess I can give the devs some credits for making a new potential love interests for the ladies.

First: Alistair wasn't exiled, neither Aragorn. Second: Devs specifically said that Seb is a completely different characters from Alistair. Third: Seb isn't a confirmed LI.
Forth: How do you dare to compare Alistair to Aragorn? I like Alistair, but can't compare himself to Aragorn. King Elessar is one of my favourite character of all time (both the books and the films)

Calm your fanboy hormones, please. This is foolish. We all have the right to stick to our own opinions.

Edit: I apologize for my bad temper.

I edit my post with the emoticon, I was only joking.
Edit: I apologise if you take offence by this.

Modifié par hhh89, 07 janvier 2011 - 08:14 .

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

Erode_The_Soul wrote...

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

filaminstrel wrote...

So if all of this is SE only, where is the new vs used purchase incentive? Do people who buy it new (but don't pre-order) get anything beyond what they'd get if they buy it used? That seemed like a good strategy and I don't know why they'd abandon it. If they are.

Our new prince will be available for dlc.  Seems to me that Bioware/EA have covered their bases where regardless of a player buying new or used.  JMHO.

I think that comment was in comparison to how Shale was handled.
Shale was an incentive for buying DA new, because if you purchased a used copy, she cost $15. Seb is apparently an incentive to pre-order, which leaves buying new on par with buying used, as either way he's going to cost $7 (I think).
So I'd wager that more people would buy used at a lower price point, since there is no apparent incentive to buy new.

TBH, the only reason I buy new for pc games is because I don't won't a disk in my drive that has been run through someone else's system.  The extra companion and missions is what sold me on the SE so my incentive was there for me as a player. 

As for Shale, if I had bought DAO used, I would never spend $15 on dlc.  I thought that price was steep.  I love Shale as a character and find her interesting, she came with my game as a redeem code for the CE.  As I already said, there is no way I would have paid $15 bucks for her.  No way.

[Teddie Sage]

hhh89 wrote...

Teddie Sage wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

Teddie Sage wrote...

I'm disappointed. Another exiled prince like Alistair or Aragorn. This is too common in medieval stories. But I guess I can give the devs some credits for making a new potential love interests for the ladies.

First: Alistair wasn't exiled, neither Aragorn. Second: Devs specifically said that Seb is a completely different characters from Alistair. Third: Seb isn't a confirmed LI.
Forth: How do you dare to compare Alistair to Aragorn? I like Alistair, but can't compare himself to Aragorn. King Elessar is one of my favourite character of all time (both the books and the films)

Calm your fanboy hormones, please. This is foolish. We all have the right to stick to our own opinions.

Edit: I apologize for my bad temper.

I edit my post with the emoticon, I was only joking.

That's why I edited. Back to thread.

Alistair was partially exiled fi I remember correctly. Amon or whatever was his name's wife was disgusted with him and exiled him from the noble house. The same thing happened to him partially because of the king, since he made a bastard son and Alistair wasn't welcomed on the throne. This makes him an exiled prince in some sort of weird circomstances. He's still of royal lineage.

[Brockololly]

Herr Uhl wrote...
It is mostly the textures that are bad, I think the environment and style looks fine (as in better than origins). I hope that they've bettered them a bit since they made this video to release.

Animations have been a big improvement from Origins thus far though.

Well, I'd agree that the animations and "cinematic" nature of the scene looked good. The facial animations leave something to be desired, what with the dead eyes and all just sort of blankly staring through people.

The environment didn't look bad from a visual standpoint in that you had some moss on the walls and all that, but maybe its due to a lack of lighting or maybe its symptomatic of the visual style, but since some colors seem like they had teh contrast blasted up, it throws off any lighting that might be going on.

But again, if the textures stay looking that bad, the whole cinematic angle on things doesn't do them any favors as it only serves to highlight the crummy textures as opposed to Origins approach.

[the_one_54321]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...
What we have here is a car salesman. He's quoted a price on a car for you. The car has a turbocharger on it. You're uncertain. You tell the salesman that you want to look around but you'll be back. The salesman then tells you that, if you leave he is going to remove the turbocharger. If you come back and want the car it won't have one, but you can buy it from him as well if you like. However, if you sign for the car now you get the whole thing at the original price. He tells you all of this with a tone and word choice as though he were doing you a favor. I don't understand why people aren't insulted by this.

more like they're seeling you a car, and then if you buy it new they'll give a gps free of charge.
if  you buy the car later, no gps and if you want it, buy the gps separately.

Wrong, because the GPS is not normally part of the car. This is like the whole issue with Shale that came up way back when. Shale was finished product when the game released. So is this guy. It's not an add-on. It's not a bonus. They just act like it is. They act like they're doing you a favor. Calling this a bonus is like saying people are lying or telling the truth based on the tone of voice they use while speaking rather than based on the words they say.

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

filaminstrel wrote...

Erode_The_Soul wrote...

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

filaminstrel wrote...

So if all of this is SE only, where is the new vs used purchase incentive? Do people who buy it new (but don't pre-order) get anything beyond what they'd get if they buy it used? That seemed like a good strategy and I don't know why they'd abandon it. If they are.

Our new prince will be available for dlc.  Seems to me that Bioware/EA have covered their bases where regardless of a player buying new or used.  JMHO.

I think that comment was in comparison to how Shale was handled.
Shale was an incentive for buying DA new, because if you purchased a used copy, she cost $15. Seb is apparently an incentive to pre-order, which leaves buying new on par with buying used, as either way he's going to cost $7 (I think).
So I'd wager that more people would buy used at a lower price point, since there is no apparent incentive to buy new.

Yes, that's exactly what I meant. I wasn't questioning the availability of the DLC.

Oh, I'm sorry, I misunderstood you're post. 

[DIONAPERSSON]

 He might be a love interest.
(http://greywardens.c...e-2/#more-10595) 
The person who wrote this writes in a comment that "I was too busy romancing someone else to notice if Varric is romanceable" and she got to play the game for a few hours so if fenris isn't a love interest who is? Sebastian?     maybe  

[Jaulen]

Erode_The_Soul wrote...

Jaulen wrote...

I thought the reason SHale came included with new copies is becuase she was intented to be an original companion to begin with, but that there were some graphics programming issues with her they couldn't get worked out prior to the game being released....something about not fitting through doors?

Well, I heard that she was content that was cut originally but they were able to sneak her in at the last minute. But I was mainly speaking to the way her release was handled. She was free with the purchase of a new copy of DA, but she cost $15 otherwise. Whether or not it was intentional (and I believe it was) the free addition of a $15 character was incentive to buy new.
Seb is free with a pre-order dated before January 11th. That's an odd window for exclusivity and essentially makes all game purchases/preorders after January 11th on the same level as a used purchase, as both new and used games miss out on this extra content. Regardless of whether you buy new or used, Seb will cost you $7 unless you preorder in the next three days. So there's no incentive to go after a new copy since the used copy is cheaper and both versions will require an additional purchase to get the additional content.
That's the way I look at it, anyway. And this is, of course, assuming that there's not more super secret "new edition" content coming sometime down the road.

Well considering that Sebastian was not originally intended as a main party member character like Shale was (he was built on a seperate budget under DLC instead of main game...Bioware confirmed on another thread) I don't see the problem....

I also don't see the problem with Bioware saying hey! Preorder this game and get the Upgraded version at the Regular version price.....

And the whole idea of Shale having to pay for her if you didn't buy new was...hello piracy and game borrowing! Gives Bioware and EA an avanue to recoup some lost revenue....

[Estelindis]

catabuca wrote...

Also on the love interest topic, if he is an LI (which I don't think he will be, more's the pity because I do love to perv over pixels and his pixels are rather dashing) it's even more unlikely he will be the m/m option. Can you imagine what people will say if you have to pay for the gay? It wouldn't be, well, the wisest of strategies, imvho.

...This is an excellent point.  It rather downgrades the chances of him being a LI in general, I guess.  Pity.

[Sorablue]

Am I the only one who wants to call him Bonny Prince Charlie? Yesno?



"Hey look, it's Chuck!"

"...Hawke, for the last time, my name is Sebastion."

"Yeah whatever, love the armor Chuck!"

"..."

[The Elder King]

Teddie Sage wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

Teddie Sage wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

Teddie Sage wrote...

I'm disappointed. Another exiled prince like Alistair or Aragorn. This is too common in medieval stories. But I guess I can give the devs some credits for making a new potential love interests for the ladies.

First: Alistair wasn't exiled, neither Aragorn. Second: Devs specifically said that Seb is a completely different characters from Alistair. Third: Seb isn't a confirmed LI.
Forth: How do you dare to compare Alistair to Aragorn? I like Alistair, but can't compare himself to Aragorn. King Elessar is one of my favourite character of all time (both the books and the films)

Calm your fanboy hormones, please. This is foolish. We all have the right to stick to our own opinions.

Edit: I apologize for my bad temper.

I edit my post with the emoticon, I was only joking.

That's why I edited. Back to thread.

Alistair was partially exiled fi I remember correctly. Amon or whatever was his name's wife was disgusted with him and exiled him from the noble house. The same thing happened to him partially because of the king, since he made a bastard son and Alistair wasn't welcomed on the throne. This makes him an exiled prince in some sort of weird circomstances. He's still of royal lineage.

He wasn't exiled, Isolde (Eamon's wife) thought he was his husband's son, and convinced Eamon to send Alistair to a monastery. Isolde didn't know he was the son of Maric, therefore she suspected about Eamon's decision to take care of Alistair. Loghain convinced Maric to mantain secret the existance of an another heir to the throne of Ferelden.

[Jaulen]

hhh89 wrote...

Jaulen wrote...

lv12medic wrote...

filaminstrel wrote...

So if all of this is SE only, where is the new vs used purchase incentive? Do people who buy it new (but don't pre-order) get anything beyond what they'd get if they buy it used? That seemed like a good strategy and I don't know why they'd abandon it. If they are.

Well, the way they are advertising Sebastian it appears to be free with the Signature Edition otherwise it's $7, but I haven't actually seen any proof that he is only free with the Signature Edition period.  He may come with all new games, but I don't think we will find out until January 12th.

Gain the prince’s allegiance as part of The Exiled Prince downloadable
pack included in the BioWare Signature Edition, or available separately
for $7 or 560 Microsoft Points.

That is the exact quote from the website.  I do agree that the way Shale was handled as incentive for new-vs.-used game was a good model.  Having incentive for pre-orders before a certain date (not just all pre-orders like pre-order incentives from the past worked) is kinda weird.  Of course there's no collector's edition either.  And there is no information on what pre-orders will have after January 11th (if anything), or what new games will have after March 8th (if anything).

After the 11th, both versions of the game will be available.....with a higher price for the SE version. Preordering gets you a free upgrade....enough of this....there's already a topic about this that has been answered by Bioware.

In the SE faq it is said that you can't buy the SE after the 11th Jan.

No according to Bioware, boith the regular and SE versions will be available after the 11th....just that you'll be paying MORE for the SE version after the 11th than if you buy it now...