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[Brockololly]

the_one_54321 wrote...
Wrong, because the GPS is not normally part of the car. This is like the whole issue with Shale that came up way back when. Shale was finished product when the game released. So is this guy. It's not an add-on. It's not a bonus. They just act like it is. They act like they're doing you a favor. Calling this a bonus is like saying people are lying or telling the truth based on the tone of voice they use while speaking rather than based on the words they say.

Right- this is only a "bonus" if you're already committed to preordering the game a solid 2 months before release. But its a failure to preorder penalty for the vast majority of consumers, more than anything. I don't get it.

[nightcobra]

the way i see it, there are two different conditions in this:

1- pre-order the signature edition, you get sebastian for free, if not his price tag is 7 dollars

2- project ten dollar implements aprox. 10 dollars worth of dlc if you buy a new game

if condition 1 isn't met, condition 2 might kick in if you buy the game new and sebastian may implemented in this condition.

if both conditions aren't met (buy the game used) you'd have to buy sebastian if you wanted him.


that is my take on it.

Modifié par nightcobra8928, 07 janvier 2011 - 08:20 .

[Teddie Sage]

hhh89 wrote...

He wasn't exiled, Isolde (Eamon's wife) thought he was his husband's son, and convinced Eamon to send Alistair to a monastery. Isolde didn't know he was the son of Maric, therefore she suspected about Eamon's decision to take care of Alistair. Loghain convinced Maric to mantain secret the existance of an another heir to the throne of Ferelden.

So, isn't this considered exiling his own flesh and blood in some ways?

[Da_Lion_Man]

PrinceOfFallout13 wrote...

im sorry but graphics are good i prefer decent graphics great gameplay and awesome story over godly graphics, lame gameplay and a crapstactular story >(

Why can't we have all of that? I'm sure you can make great gameplay with a great story and great graphics. It's not like they can't co-exist together.

[Herr Uhl]

Jaulen wrote...

No according to Bioware, boith the regular and SE versions will be available after the 11th....just that you'll be paying MORE for the SE version after the 11th than if you buy it now...

Quote from the site:

Limited Time Offer – get $20 of bonus content at NO ADDITIONAL COST! Pre-order Dragon Age II before January 11, 2011 and receive an automatic upgrade to the BioWare Signature Edition–a special, collector's edition version of the game that contains loads of additional content, exclusives, and other perks. This special edition version of Dragon Age II is only available before January 11, so pre-order now!

[Cobrawar]

Felfenix wrote...

Brockololly wrote...

The issue I have is that one of the big bullet points BioWare has been harping about for DA2 was that they'd improve the graphics. Now they've changed the art style, but I'm not seeing how they've done anything to actually improve the graphics from a technical standpoint. Maybe its noticably better on the consoles compared to Origins, but most of the stuff I've seen thus far reminds me of Origins when you set things on medium or low.

But of course I know they're still working on them and really hope they look better than this come March.

That's because they didn't change the art style for technical graphic reasons. They changed it for artistic reasons, to make the game stand out more recognizably, instead of looking like a generic fantasy setting that could be Forgotten Realms or Lord of the Rings..

 Thats still a poor excuse to change the art as drastically as they have

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

hhh89 wrote...

Teddie Sage wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

Teddie Sage wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

Teddie Sage wrote...

I'm disappointed. Another exiled prince like Alistair or Aragorn. This is too common in medieval stories. But I guess I can give the devs some credits for making a new potential love interests for the ladies.

First: Alistair wasn't exiled, neither Aragorn. Second: Devs specifically said that Seb is a completely different characters from Alistair. Third: Seb isn't a confirmed LI.
Forth: How do you dare to compare Alistair to Aragorn? I like Alistair, but can't compare himself to Aragorn. King Elessar is one of my favourite character of all time (both the books and the films)

Calm your fanboy hormones, please. This is foolish. We all have the right to stick to our own opinions.

Edit: I apologize for my bad temper.

I edit my post with the emoticon, I was only joking.

That's why I edited. Back to thread.

Alistair was partially exiled fi I remember correctly. Amon or whatever was his name's wife was disgusted with him and exiled him from the noble house. The same thing happened to him partially because of the king, since he made a bastard son and Alistair wasn't welcomed on the throne. This makes him an exiled prince in some sort of weird circomstances. He's still of royal lineage.

He wasn't exiled, Isolde (Eamon's wife) thought he was his husband's son, and convinced Eamon to send Alistair to a monastery. Isolde didn't know he was the son of Maric, therefore she suspected about Eamon's decision to take care of Alistair. Loghain convinced Maric to mantain secret the existance of an another heir to the throne of Ferelden.

I don't recall ever reading anywhere that Loghain was in on that decision.  That was Maric and Fiona's decision if  Alistiar is their son.  This was at the end of "The Calling."

[The Elder King]

Teddie Sage wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

He wasn't exiled, Isolde (Eamon's wife) thought he was his husband's son, and convinced Eamon to send Alistair to a monastery. Isolde didn't know he was the son of Maric, therefore she suspected about Eamon's decision to take care of Alistair. Loghain convinced Maric to mantain secret the existance of an another heir to the throne of Ferelden.

So, isn't this considered exiling his own flesh and blood in some ways?

I see your point. I howewer consider the "exiled" position in a different way, as losing a status or a title. Plus, Alistair never actually wanted to be king, or to be included in the court's life, so I don't consider him exiled.

[Erode_The_Soul]

Jaulen wrote...


Well considering that Sebastian was not originally intended as a main party member character like Shale was (he was built on a seperate budget under DLC instead of main game...Bioware confirmed on another thread) I don't see the problem....

I also don't see the problem with Bioware saying hey! Preorder this game and get the Upgraded version at the Regular version price.....

And the whole idea of Shale having to pay for her if you didn't buy new was...hello piracy and game borrowing! Gives Bioware and EA an avanue to recoup some lost revenue....

I think you are misunderstanding. Shale's existance in DAO before she became DLC is largely irrelevant. As is Seb's existance before he became DLC. It's all about how each one is handled.

Generally speaking, there's nothing wrong with Bioware offering up these characters as incentives for purchase. I'm not claiming it's an issue. And if it curbs piracy (which I don't believe it does, but that's neither here nor there) then that's great too.
But what's happening here is that Bioware has removed the external incentive to buy DA2 new that DAO came with.

If you bought DAO new, then you got Shale and for free. If you bought DAO used, you didn't get Shale unless you paid $15 for her.

If you pre-order DA2, then you get Seb and he's free. Fantastic; it's a fine incentive. But now, If you buy DA2 new, then you don't get Seb unless you pay $7 for him and if you buy DA2 used, then you don't get Seb unless you pay $7 for him. Both new and used have been made the exact same, whereas with DAO, new copies got additional content.

Now the new copies that cost $60 have no additional content to set them apart from the used copies that cost $40. So a gamer buying new without preordering pays $67-ish for everything while a gamer buying used would pay $47-ish. To me, this is likely to drive more gamers to used copies, as one is cheaper and there is an additional cost either way.

Modifié par Erode_The_Soul, 07 janvier 2011 - 08:29 .

[mione]

Since Sebastian is DLC I guess we can't romance him =(



Oh well. .at least my Hawke's and him can be super best friends!

[The Elder King]

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

Teddie Sage wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

Teddie Sage wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

Teddie Sage wrote...

I'm disappointed. Another exiled prince like Alistair or Aragorn. This is too common in medieval stories. But I guess I can give the devs some credits for making a new potential love interests for the ladies.

First: Alistair wasn't exiled, neither Aragorn. Second: Devs specifically said that Seb is a completely different characters from Alistair. Third: Seb isn't a confirmed LI.
Forth: How do you dare to compare Alistair to Aragorn? I like Alistair, but can't compare himself to Aragorn. King Elessar is one of my favourite character of all time (both the books and the films)

Calm your fanboy hormones, please. This is foolish. We all have the right to stick to our own opinions.

Edit: I apologize for my bad temper.

I edit my post with the emoticon, I was only joking.

That's why I edited. Back to thread.

Alistair was partially exiled fi I remember correctly. Amon or whatever was his name's wife was disgusted with him and exiled him from the noble house. The same thing happened to him partially because of the king, since he made a bastard son and Alistair wasn't welcomed on the throne. This makes him an exiled prince in some sort of weird circomstances. He's still of royal lineage.

He wasn't exiled, Isolde (Eamon's wife) thought he was his husband's son, and convinced Eamon to send Alistair to a monastery. Isolde didn't know he was the son of Maric, therefore she suspected about Eamon's decision to take care of Alistair. Loghain convinced Maric to mantain secret the existance of an another heir to the throne of Ferelden.

I don't recall ever reading anywhere that Loghain was in on that decision.  That was Maric and Fiona's decision if  Alistiar is their son.  This was at the end of "The Calling."

Loghain specifically said that in Origins. I don't read the books, although I know of Maric-Fiona romance, but we don't knpw if their son is actually Alistair. It's a bit complicated, because Alistair has a sister in Origins, and I don't see the reason to make Alistair believe that he has a sister. I prefer to base my opinion on DAO, until a devs said something in regard, from what we know there could be a third son of Maric in the world.

[Jaulen]

Edited: Removed

Modifié par Jaulen, 07 janvier 2011 - 08:32 .

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

@ erode the soul



Actually what they are counting on is player's who want to be first in playing the game, those player's will buy new, to be the first person with a new toy.



I see you're point though. With making the prince available for the regular game as dlc or buying new does take away the incentive. Unless there is something to the full-version (SE) vs the standard version. Notice the info from DA2's page, that the SE is a full version of the game. I'm not sure how this will apply to the different versions. Full vs standard.

[nightcobra]

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

@ erode the soul

Actually what they are counting on is player's who want to be first in playing the game, those player's will buy new, to be the first person with a new toy.

I see you're point though. With making the prince available for the regular game as dlc or buying new does take away the incentive. Unless there is something to the full-version (SE) vs the standard version. Notice the info from DA2's page, that the SE is a full version of the game. I'm not sure how this will apply to the different versions. Full vs standard.

did you see my previous post?

[Reclusiarch]

I really liked it. His armour and voice was great. The graphics looks good, the animations the cinematic feel to it looks very promising, which makes me even more excited about Dragon Age 2. Oh, and I have no qualms about it being a DLC.

[biomag]

The only thing I have to say, the graphic really disappoints me. Its too clean. Too much like an anime - bright, clean, full or colors. Also models and textures look like a pretty old engine to me. DA:O had a graphic that didn't really appeal me, but it least it fitted the dark setting.

[Maria Caliban]

Erode_The_Soul wrote...

But what's happening here is that Bioware has removed the external incentive to buy DA2 new that DAO came with.

To be sure, we don't know what content people who buy new will get over that of people who buy used. Nor do we know that the 'free DLC if new' policy actually resulted in a larger number of people buying new.

[arafinwe_ingalaure]

Vengeance ? Again ? It's Zaeed 2.0 then, I'm dissapointed, but I do hope he's more deep then Zaeed ever was...

[Cobrawar]

Sebastian is cross eyed.

[LPPrince]

True fact incoming-

I have it on inside information. I will not name my sources (David Gaider and Mike Laidlaw) but apparently, purchasing Dragon Age 2 AFTER the 11th of January but BEFORE March 8th will net you special Ferelden style biscotti.

Not cookies. Not cake. But friggen BISCOTTI.

Modifié par LPPrince, 07 janvier 2011 - 08:43 .

[Catsith]

This is murder!

No... what happened to my family... was murder..



sigh.

[crimzontearz]

I find this ironic



a lot of people who complain about day one DLC made with a separate budget (yes Laidlaw confirmed this because otherwise it would be totally ok to complain by me) are actually the reason why companies started to do this to combat used sales

[Cobrawar]

heyz yooousz guyz trics me . I wove Biscotti

[AngelicMachinery]

Catsith wrote...

This is murder!
No... what happened to my family... was murder..

sigh.

Not a fan of angzt?

Modifié par AngelicMachinery, 07 janvier 2011 - 08:47 .

[Erode_The_Soul]

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

@ erode the soul

Actually what they are counting on is player's who want to be first in playing the game, those player's will buy new, to be the first person with a new toy.

I see you're point though. With making the prince available for the regular game as dlc or buying new does take away the incentive. Unless there is something to the full-version (SE) vs the standard version. Notice the info from DA2's page, that the SE is a full version of the game. I'm not sure how this will apply to the different versions. Full vs standard.

Oh absolutely. Free DLC isn't the only incentive to buy new for sure, and I highly doubt Bioware put all their eggs in that particular basket. Personally, in the case of Bioware games, I buy new because I buy my games on PC and from Steam. Additional content is a fine reward for me, but it really has no bearing on whether or not I buy new.
However, the console folks who have the avenues of Gamefly, Blockbuster, Gamestops "rentals", used games, etc to play the game without purchasing new, that little bit of extra content probably goes a long way.

I'm just a tad confused as to why Bioware went with the "Reward for preorder" rather than the "Reward for new" route this go around.

Again, this assumes there's no more special content for the non-sig edition.

Modifié par Erode_The_Soul, 07 janvier 2011 - 08:45 .