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[LSilvercloak]

Wow, after seeing this thread, I'm not even going to try and romance Morrigan.  She may look sexy but she's an outright be-otch.  The stuff she says irks the crap out of me, the more I play.

[Taleroth]

Maria Caliban wrote...

There are no envy and greed demons, or gluttony.

Gluttony is hunger.  We technically encounter them as Devouring Corpses.

We see two pride demons, three if you do the mage origin.

That was a Pride?  I couldn't recall what it was.  I could definitely see Flemeth as one of those, now.

[Flamin Jesus]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Dennis Carpenter wrote...

If she believes friends are useless and human relations only bring you down then why be saddled with a pregnancy and its responsibilities. It  would seem to me she would just sleep with you and be gone, There is an ulterior motive and looks like we will have to wait and see..........I jsut hope Bioware does not screw this up like the NWN2 and comeback with something not even relating to the continuing storylines here. That would just suck.

Because it will get her power or freedom. I'm not saying she's a good person, but she's not her mother. Morrigan isn't to the point where she'll kill her own child.

Probably not (yet), but I still think that that entire immortality-theory just doesn't fit with the lore, not this way anyway.

[Dennis Carpenter]

@Maria...........I suppose she could get as powerful training the child to do her bidding and such by influence rather than possession but somehow that seems to lack the Darkness found throughout the game. Hopefully i will finish the game soon and have a personal look at the ending though I have Leliana as a romantic interest. Either way I am looking forward to it just from the stimulating conversation over it.

[Taleroth]

I don't see possessing the child working out. When an Old God tries to possess a body with a human soul, it destroys both. The same should be true for when a human soul tries to possess a body with an Old God.

[Flamin Jesus]

Taleroth wrote...

We see two pride demons, three if you do the mage origin.

That was a Pride?  I couldn't recall what it was.  I could definitely see Flemeth as one of those, now.

It never stops telling you what a very special cookie you are, how awesome you are, how it wants your baby and how it's weaksauce in comparison to your vast greatness. Well, it kinda made me suspicious, not that he was wrong.

[Dennis Carpenter]

Flamin Jesus wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Dennis Carpenter wrote...

If she believes friends are useless and human relations only bring you down then why be saddled with a pregnancy and its responsibilities. It  would seem to me she would just sleep with you and be gone, There is an ulterior motive and looks like we will have to wait and see..........I jsut hope Bioware does not screw this up like the NWN2 and comeback with something not even relating to the continuing storylines here. That would just suck.

Because it will get her power or freedom. I'm not saying she's a good person, but she's not her mother. Morrigan isn't to the point where she'll kill her own child.

Probably not (yet), but I still think that that entire immortality-theory just doesn't fit with the lore, not this way anyway.

Not immortality in the standard sense but similar to demonic possession, as long as youhave a fresh body you continue to exist and if that body is actually destined for greatnes you may actually achieve your goal.

[Dennis Carpenter]

sorry double posted

Modifié par Dennis Carpenter, 13 novembre 2009 - 05:21 .

[MoSa09]

Hi all.

Just wanted to tell you, for those who anre interested in the topic of this discussion, there was also a lengthy discussion about the sad Morrigan at the Dragon Age forums, about 107 pages long:

http://daforums.biow...&forum=145&sp=0

As that board is about to be closed, we have moved this discussion to a group within the BioWare Social board, so if anyone has interest:

http://social.biowar.../&v=discussions

Always good to see we are not the only ones feeling unhappy about this romance ending, at least some here seem to share this opinion...

[Flamin Jesus]

Dennis Carpenter wrote...

Flamin Jesus wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Dennis Carpenter wrote...

If she believes friends are useless and human relations only bring you down then why be saddled with a pregnancy and its responsibilities. It  would seem to me she would just sleep with you and be gone, There is an ulterior motive and looks like we will have to wait and see..........I jsut hope Bioware does not screw this up like the NWN2 and comeback with something not even relating to the continuing storylines here. That would just suck.

Because it will get her power or freedom. I'm not saying she's a good person, but she's not her mother. Morrigan isn't to the point where she'll kill her own child.

Probably not (yet), but I still think that that entire immortality-theory just doesn't fit with the lore, not this way anyway.

Not immortality in the standard sense but similar to demonic possession, as long as youhave a fresh body you continue to exist and if that body is actually destined for greatnes you may actually achieve your goal.

It's hard to tell, maybe a mortal coil that used to be host to a god is especially powerful, maybe it isn't, I still think she's better served trying to control a fully awakened old god and learning all its secrets, rather than taking the risk of being obliterated in an ill-advised attempt at overpowering it and losing all its real power and knowledge even if she succeeds.

[Taleroth]

Flamin Jesus wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

We see two pride demons, three if you do the mage origin.

That was a Pride?  I couldn't recall what it was.  I could definitely see Flemeth as one of those, now.

It never stops telling you what a very special cookie you are, how awesome you are, how it wants your baby and how it's weaksauce in comparison to your vast greatness. Well, it kinda made me suspicious, not that he was wrong.

That doesn't mean he's Pride.  Maybe there's an Obvious Demon or something.

[Maria Caliban]

Eh. Why do you need a group just to discuss how you feel about the Morrigan romance?



There's a spoiler board right here.

[Vilegrim]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Dennis Carpenter wrote...

But then I dont think you believed she would do what she did if the ending is as sad as everyone seems to say, and if not for the reason of immortality then why?

Leaving the PC? That's not an evil act. That's certainly not 'creating a child just to murder and devour its power' evil.

I have no problem believing she would leave the PC. I assume that was the case long before I even played the game. The woman is not a romantic; she’s not interested in spending her life hanging around the hero of Ferelden. This is a woman who tells us that friends are useless and human relations only bring you down. It’s not shocking that the PC gets dumped in the end.

it's the obvious grief and guilt that Morrigan feels that makes it for me, she didn't do this for her self, she believes that what she is doing has to be done no matter how much it hurts her to do it, thats the issue for me, is it a mad world dominaton plan? Doubt it, she didn't have to tell the PC about the ritual if the romance was ongoing, she could have given one last night and left, without saying a word.  
That she explains, that makes me ask, what does she believe is worth hurting herself that badly for? 

[Tamyn]

Maria Caliban wrote...

 This is a woman who tells us that friends are useless and human relations only bring you down.

Except Morrigan told my PC that she knew nothing of friendships before and she will always consider her a friend.

[Flamin Jesus]

Taleroth wrote...

Flamin Jesus wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

We see two pride demons, three if you do the mage origin.

That was a Pride?  I couldn't recall what it was.  I could definitely see Flemeth as one of those, now.

It never stops telling you what a very special cookie you are, how awesome you are, how it wants your baby and how it's weaksauce in comparison to your vast greatness. Well, it kinda made me suspicious, not that he was wrong.

That doesn't mean he's Pride.  Maybe there's an Obvious Demon or something.

Hehe, Obvious Demons, now that's something evil, stating or repeating the obvious until you completely lose your will to live. I believe I used to have a vast number of those disguised as classmates back in school.
But then again, didn't everyone? <_<

[SageGaspar]

Vilegrim wrote...

That she explains, that makes me ask, what does she believe is worth hurting herself that badly for?

If your main character romances her and she falls in love she's torn up about her emotions conflicting with the lessons drilled into her from birth, that sentimentality is weakness and the only thing that matters is survival and power. She gives you psycho stalker ring and shows some vulnerability, but at the same time she's constantly trying to distance herself.

I didn't see it as a quest she feels she has to undertake, I think it's just her nature finally winning out. With the end of the Blight she didn't have an excuse to stay with the main character anymore so she really had to choose, and the demon baby was convenient justification to leave. The sad part for me was that I imagine this was Morrigan's first and last shot at opening up to someone. She might regret not having pursued it further but I think this probably hardened her enough that she's never going to get involved with anyone again.

[A Norwegian]

Just adding a quick comment saying that I agree with the threadstarter. The fact that no matter what you do in the game you cannot go with Morrigan (or make her stay) broke my e-heart and left me sad... It made a very poor satisfaction to the ending so to speak.



Otherwise the game is great, one of the best I've ever played.

[Maria Caliban]

Tamyn wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

 This is a woman who tells us that friends are useless and human relations only bring you down.

Except Morrigan told my PC that she knew nothing of friendships before and she will always consider her a friend.

And she will. But the leopard does not change its spots.

[Taleroth]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Tamyn wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

 This is a woman who tells us that friends are useless and human relations only bring you down.

Except Morrigan told my PC that she knew nothing of friendships before and she will always consider her a friend.

And she will. But the leopard does not change its spots.

I didn't know they had Leopards in Ferelden.

[JohnF1986]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Tamyn wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

 This is a woman who tells us that friends are useless and human relations only bring you down.

Except Morrigan told my PC that she knew nothing of friendships before and she will always consider her a friend.

And she will. But the leopard does not change its spots.

Well, the thing about Morrigan is, she's more of a black panther. Can't really make out whether the spots change.
Anyway, I think she softened up if you were nice to her. Still, you can get the woman out of the Witch Swamp, but not the Swamp Witch out of the woman. I think any other ending would have denied her the essence of her character.

[SonvarTheMighty]

I wasn't disappointed by it. She is Flemeth's child and I guarantee beyond the one romance Flemeht had she just used males as well for producing children.

[Alan Rickman]

I for one think that her plans for the superbaby are far less sinister than most people seem to expect. My current vague theory is that Flemeth probably sent Morrigan to get this baby so that she (Flemeth) could move into its body and become god-like. Morrigan, however, has some huge plan of her own for the child so she still goes through with it and leaves, even though (in my case) it seemed to break her heart as much as my character's.
Maybe she wants to bring back the old gods, or maybe she sees this child as a weapon that could potentially destroy the darkspawn for good? Why any of this makes it absolutely necessary for her to leave and raise the child alone, I have no idea.
All I know is that the woman who she was by the end of my playthrough was not some evil, hearless shrew who'd suck the life out of an infant/use it for world domination/kill kittens. She's a lot of things, but evil? I say no.

Oh and FYI, I never had to do anything out of character in order to keep her happy, even though I played as a very good character, and she never left my party. At several points when she does object to something you do, you get the option to reason with her to minimize/remove the influence loss, maybe even turn it into gained influence.
 

[ComTrav]

You had to know it would end badly with Morrigan. Several characters (including disapproving, motherly Wynn) tell you so. That's part of her bad-girl appeal =). Are you all that surprised they turned out to be right?



She DOES call you "my love", though, and I learned early on that anything involving love was -influence on Morrigan, so coming from her, it was a startling admission. You can't change her mind about what she's planned to do (unlike Leiliana, who you've caught in a crisis of conscience and can influence one way or the other). In a way it's poignant--you need to send your love away to save your life. (With the potential option of her doing something potential terrible with your child.)

[Flamin Jesus]

ComTrav wrote...

(With the potential option of her doing something potential terrible with your child.)

And every other sentient being on the planet, which I find slightly more troubling than a single child.

[SpideyKnight]

My only thing here is that they leave a rather big hole open, the ring. When she gives it to you she says it used to be used to find her, now it's used to find you. Reversing that should be a trivial thing. Particularly, if your own character was a powerful mage you might have the means to do it yourself, the Tevinter's could probably do it as well, for a price. Not sure about the circle, but that's another possibility. The ring is even mentioned in the ending so you certainly have it. Are they going to try and pull the whole "Your character is far too daft to remember that."? I have a save right before it, if you need the exact words, but this isn't a hard dialogue to get, you can get that ring the moment you step into lothering. It saddens me that this was glossed over. The game gives you every indication that you will never find her until the xpac/sequel/whatever if that. However the truth is that your character could find her rather easily.