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[Gill Kaiser]

When Morrigan first divulged her plan to my mage PC, I thought that it was a horrifying idea. Once she explained it a little more, though, I started to come around to her way of thinking. I played my mage as an interested academic outsider throughout the game - the kind of man who would be loth to destroy any unique phenomenon (however, Flemeth was, sadly, a necessary sacrifice); so when Morrigan said that she was seeking to save something ancient that would otherwise be lost, I realised that it wasn't so objectionable as I first thought. We don't know that the Old Gods were evil, after all... and I wouldn't trust the Chantry's history books.



That said, she still was leaving forever with my PC's child, which he wasn't exactly thrilled about. There wasn't any way he was going to let Alistair take that bullet, though, especially as he and Morrigan were already "an item". I left Alistair blissfully ignorant about the whole affair.



One thing that I wonder is if the darkspawn will be relentlessly drawn to the soul of Urthemiel once it manifests in Morrigan's child, since they're drawn to the other Old Gods. I just hope Morrigan knows what she's doing.

[Maria Caliban]

SonvarTheMighty wrote...

I wasn't disappointed by it. She is Flemeth's child and I guarantee beyond the one romance Flemeht had she just used males as well for producing children.

Yes, the one conversation Morrigan has where she talked about how Flemeth brought men home and used them, and then told Morrigan that she'd do the same some day. It's more than kinda icky.

[arolas6622]

bump

[Meloncatts]

BFBHLC wrote...

Not all romances are "good" and "happy". I thought it was a bitter sweet end.

I liked the result of romancing her but breaking it off to go with Leliana and then refusing the ritual (boy that was a long sentence, and it's STILL CONTINUING). There is something of a romantic tragety to the idea of her still carrying a child that is likely your character's, disappearing into obscurity with that one link to a man she once loved and lost.

[Highlen]

I really didn't care for her at all becuase she doing what her mother did years ago....obvisouly she going to take the body of the child when its time i guess that what I think.
 

***spoiler****
Any way I just wanted all the grey wardens to stay alive and become king even though I wish bioware allowed you to usurp the thrown instead of just vying for the throne at the epilogue.





 but i wanted a opition similar to  kotor when you find out your revan not eaxtcly the same way but an opition where you could have a choice of  obsoulute power by your self and leading the country to a new  golden age.


but with out the people knowing what you did to get them there not even Alistair becaues he would be leading my army of  grey wardens. 


so I kinda wanted that feeling not necissarly evil but double crossing morrigan make sure the grey warnders are intact  so they can be  kinda like my  sercert police and you take power from the queen for the house so the cousland could rule.

So instead of morrigan getting what she wants from  you, you end up getting what you want from  her at the end by just hunting her down and take the child for your on gain. 

I imagine  sending  Templar's to hunt morrigan down using the  apostate excuse and take the child from her to let  me  raise as my own tool of destruction.


But what bioware gave me at the end will do, it is close to what I wanted "POWER".


i guess I have to let flammeth live next play through to see how that turns out.

Modifié par Highlen, 14 novembre 2009 - 10:09 .

[Viciouschaos]

well from the way it ends they make it sound like your character will find her or somthing maybe they will have a DLC where you can find her again with the kid or somthing like that would be a cool idea

[Darin2483]

I ran with a male human mage with full coercion (persuasion/intimidation). While attempting to maintain a larger picture view of any plot I found myself in by means of adopting a Senator Palpatine persona mixed with a little dash of Darth Revan for good scheming measure, I made it a point, and a fairly straight one at that, that Morrigan wasn't using me for any delusions of grandeur she might have had about raising a God Child. The scenario sounds a bit ominously like Baldurs Gate II:SoA & ToB where you learn that the PC's mother was sacrificing God Children along with a cult of Priestesses. The point is however, don't give women what they want when they ask for it, especially if it has anything to do with a bed, and even more especially if she's a conniving wench like Morrigan. I left Flemmeth alive in my story so hopefully she'll end up possesing her short-sighted solipsistic daughter.

[Vansen Elamber]

Livemmo wrote...

Honestly, I found it ...right. I mean, she knew all along why she was there. She knew she shouldnt be doing what she was doing and we dont know why she wanted that kid.. and you knew all along that she was either gonna stab you in the back or just dip out. So yea...

I found it right.

I have a feeling in a future episode of Dragon Age we may come to regret that night with Morrigan, that little abomination will have all of Flemeth's and Morrigan's power and the power of the Archdemon....should be a good fight! My only hope is the developers pay a little bit more attention to loot and leave a few more health poltices on corpses! damn it! lol

Modifié par Vansen Elamber, 14 novembre 2009 - 03:15 .

[Flamin Jesus]

Darin2483 wrote...

The point is however, don't give women what they want when they ask for it, especially if it has anything to do with a bed

Your stout resistance to suggestions in bed must be a legend among the ladies, I imagine.

[Thekratos]

The ending could have been made better or worse but i belive it was made for a Da2 or an expansion. it bugged me alot and gave me 4 days of 1000 ideas and ways of this to work, and i did not sleep for 4 days allmost it bugged me so much i allmost went in to a Emo rage naa i can control myself but it is tru the ending did mess up my head alot! and i needed to see the ending over 20 times to fix the problem. At the end alistair asked me what i would do now! and i said i will find Morrigan, and that was how i maneged to sleep afther 4 days!

[Thekratos]

:Bump:

[Saurel]

Thekratos wrote...

The ending could have been made better or worse but i belive it was made for a Da2 or an expansion. it bugged me alot and gave me 4 days of 1000 ideas and ways of this to work, and i did not sleep for 4 days allmost it bugged me so much i allmost went in to a Emo rage naa i can control myself but it is tru the ending did mess up my head alot! and i needed to see the ending over 20 times to fix the problem. At the end alistair asked me what i would do now! and i said i will find Morrigan, and that was how i maneged to sleep afther 4 days!

I have to be honest, I haven't finished the game and I've actually lost some motive to. I heard about Morrigan's proposal on accident through the prima gudie when it mentioned Alistair.

After investigating it a bit more to sate my curiousity since I've been spending hours on this game... Finding out its either sire a god spawn/force someone else to or one of two poeple have to die.... bleh.

Im not even upset as to what Morrigan's goal was all along.. Just both options seem like a bit of a "screw you" to the player. Which I guess people like... I suppose my problem with it is (and I had this problem with another game where the option was essentially run away /get the bad ending or sacrifice yourself) is building your character up for such a long period (hours and hours) to have it end in such a way.

This doesn't mean I want a happy ending..hell your character could vanish and be imprisoned in the Fade....I just don't like absoluteness.

And yeah I know people will say sometimes life is that way and you don't like any option... eh yeah...but more than two options would been nice.

Modifié par Saurel, 15 novembre 2009 - 01:13 .

[Jersey75639]

Well, I don't really see the ending as absolute in any sense, unless you sacrifice yourself.



And for all the people going on about how wrong it is to give Morrigan the soul of an old god to do with as she wants; to be fair, we really don't know what she's going to do with it. It doesn't have to be something sinister; and if it's something with a greater sense of purpose, then it would completely explain her 'It hurts me but I have to go' attitude if you Romance her, and the feelings of regret you get with the ring in the ending.



At first I felt pretty disappointed and unsatisfied about the ending, but after giving it some thought I'm not.



And if it's just a self-serving reason, should anyone really be TOO surprised about it? Still, I think the other makes more sense.

[Gill Kaiser]

Provided you spared him, Loghain can gain redemption by sacrificing himself to kill the Archdemon, as well. I don't know why people have a problem with the choices given at the end, it's not like Bioware forced you to agree to Morrigan's proposal. Personally, I don't have a problem with keeping an Old God alive, free of corruption. Think of what could be learned from it. Since this was Morrigan and Flemeth's plan all along, I trust that she knows what she's doing.

[Saurel]

Gill Kaiser wrote...

Provided you spared him, Loghain can gain redemption by sacrificing himself to kill the Archdemon, as well. I don't know why people have a problem with the choices given at the end, it's not like Bioware forced you to agree to Morrigan's proposal. Personally, I don't have a problem with keeping an Old God alive, free of corruption. Think of what could be learned from it. Since this was Morrigan and Flemeth's plan all along, I trust that she knows what she's doing.

The problem I have is more the sexing up or forcing someone else to (this seems especially crappy for female pcs in a romance with Alistair) Morrigan part as opposed to keeping the soul of an Old God alive.

That part is fine, its how one gets there...that

Modifié par Saurel, 15 novembre 2009 - 01:26 .

[Jersey75639]

Well, no one is telling you that you have to do it. But, if you don't, then someone has to die to kill the Archdemon; that's just how it works.

[Saurel]

Jersey75639 wrote...

Well, no one is telling you that you have to do it. But, if you don't, then someone has to die to kill the Archdemon; that's just how it works.

I guess the whole lets go make another Grey Warden and have him sex up Morrigan would be too convenient.


And a gun to your head is almost telling you have to do it ....almost


edit: Or having other Grey Wardens show up to face the ultimate evil  would have been too convient as well...

Modifié par Saurel, 15 novembre 2009 - 01:33 .

[Gill Kaiser]

That's basically what you can do with Loghain! But the sucky thing is Alistair and Loghain's mutual exclusivity.

[Jersey75639]

If you have that much of a problem with it, you could leave Loghain alive and let him sacrifice himself to redeem himself as the other guy said. With an aversion to one-night-stands and a strong sense of self-preservation, that's probably the best option, besides Alistair throwing a fit and leaving.

[Maria Caliban]

Highlen wrote...

***spoiler****
Any way I just wanted all the grey wardens to stay alive and become king even though I wish bioware allowed you to usurp the thrown instead of just vying for the throne at the epilogue.

How in the world could you usurp the throne?

[Saurel]

Gill Kaiser wrote...

That's basically what you can do with Loghain! But the sucky thing is Alistair and Loghain's mutual exclusivity.

lol the ending is just really ****ty for the one in a million individuals that are like me. Who don't like the idea of impending doom or having to father a child. And who also happen to like Loghain and Alistair.

Le sigh, I didn't think I would say this but I wish Duncan was still alive so he could die

edit: I suppose that would have been too close to an honorable Braveheart-esque ending though for the game's tastes.


And I would totally take the bargain with the Arch Demon if that was an option.

Modifié par Saurel, 15 novembre 2009 - 01:45 .

[Driveninhifi]

What I didn't like about it is that it's very heavy-handed compared to the amount of choice you get throughout the game. The actual idea of her leaving for some duty and the PC searching for her is a good one, but I think it was handled poorly. Either having the PC go with her (though this may not work as we do not know her plans - which is another weakness of the ending as it's a bit of a deus ex machina) or having him immediately give chase and skip the epilogue feels more satisfying to me.

Think about it this way: she is ONLY developed though the PC's interaction and relationship with her. She is extremely one dimensional if you do not follow that plot. (which is probably why the people that didn't romance her seem to hate her) Now, you can say this is true for all the characters, but that is all the more reason for a reunion between her and the PC - so that development can continue.

I worry about a contrived 'happy' ending - as Mr Gaider clearly does as well. Though having all options end in tragedy for that relationship is just as artificial, especially with the game's at times overdone 'so edgy' tone.

Modifié par Driveninhifi, 15 novembre 2009 - 01:47 .

[Heldenbrand]

This is far from a black and white game, it is meant to stress the sacrifice required of the Grey Wardens, as well as how far we're willing to go to survive.

As for Morrigan, she simply annoyed me early on and I never really included her in my party regularly and Lei's accent really kept me into her character so to speak.  However, her proposal is fairly interesting to me in terms of storyline.  Not to mention it also doesn't necessarily guarantee the child will be evil, no more than the Grey Wardens themselves are evil just for having ingested the blood of the darkspawn.

I think it's very likely if not guaranteed we'll see this come up again later on in an expansion or sequel. 

Personally I'd prefer to romance Leilana, enter into a loveless marriage with Anora to stabilize the throne and nation after what is likely to be a very destabilizing time after the Blight and allow Allistar to sacrifice himself to kill the Archdemon.  After the temper tantrum he threw when I considered letting Loghain live for the benefit of the entire nation, I was pretty much assured he could never rule properly.  Personally I think this might have been a better ending in general as well as a more realistic one.  After all, for Anora to marry the hero Grey Warden would definitely help unite the country and loveless marriages were hardly uncommon, so long as any affair she had would be kept discreet so the king wouldn't be labeled a cuckold.  Hey, don't blame me for medieval double standards.

Edit: This would have been even more profound for the elves, to put an elf as a king would likely have led to dissent among the nobles but inspiration for the city elves who to this point have never had a hero to look up to.

Modifié par Heldenbrand, 15 novembre 2009 - 01:53 .

[Saurel]

Heldenbrand wrote...

This is far from a black and white game, it is meant to stress the sacrifice required of the Grey Wardens, as well as how far we're willing to go to survive.

I guess if it felt like my character cared about the Darkspawn more this would seem more valid. Admittedly I haven't finished...but they're minimal presence and how little the played into my characters origin makes it hard for me to believe my character would be as invested... (Or maybe I'm just not that invested in a player...)

Aside from "Oh well Duncan did save my ass.. so I guess I owe him.."

I mean there is a bunch of hearsay, "end of hte world " and such.

I don't know the whole Grey Warden thing seems like dark romanticization.  I mean dedicating your life to something that will likely end up with you getting killed is enough of a sacrifice..and we have real world equivalents for that.

Thats enough for me, but I suppose with video games and the knowledge that we are essentially "immortal" - we need this cast in stone bleakness.

[Driveninhifi]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Tamyn wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

 This is a woman who tells us that friends are useless and human relations only bring you down.

Except Morrigan told my PC that she knew nothing of friendships before and she will always consider her a friend.

And she will. But the leopard does not change its spots.

This does not really ring true though - the game is about your character's choice and influence. And you can change many of the characters, including her. Her character is developed to be conflicted between her love and whatever her plans are - and that is a FAR more interesting character than "angry selfish swamp witch." If you couldn't make her fall in love with the PC, then yeah, you could say that she doesn't change. But the only way to continue the story in a satisfactory manner is to continue to develop her relationship with the PC. Anything else is like the writers playing a metagame with the player and the player always loses. And that's both lazy writing because it ignores the medium they are telling the story in and turns people off because it is frustrating for the player.