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[Driveninhifi]

That's the disappointing part. It would have been less trite to actually develop her character into a real person, instead of leaving it at a cliffhanger. Hopefully we'll get that as the story continues.

To clarify: her leaving is fairly uninteresting. It's ok if it's just part of the story, but there must be more. From a character development standpoint, it is much more interesting to see how she could come to terms with her love for the PC and the child than to have her be the evil witch from the swamp.

Modifié par Driveninhifi, 25 novembre 2009 - 11:24 .

[JamesX]

I find it odd that people would say she is not developed. There are people out there who are just selfish arses. Some are because they had abusive relationships/family/etc. Others are just inexplicable, at least to any understanding most people can resonate with.

I don't like Morrigan's character, but neither do I find her less developed than let say Lelianna or Wynn. She is who she is.

[marshalleck]

JamesX wrote...

I find it odd that people would say she is not developed. There are people out there who are just selfish arses. Some are because they had abusive relationships/family/etc. Others are just inexplicable, at least to any understanding most people can resonate with.
I don't like Morrigan's character, but neither do I find her less developed than let say Lelianna or Wynn. She is who she is.

People hate what they don't understand, for the most part. It seems like most of the people who claim to hate Morrigan have very little understanding of her character.

[Driveninhifi]

Well, I would say she is not fully developed. You don't understand her motivations or what she feels is her purpose or duty. The problem isn't that she isn't developed though - it's quite the opposite. She is developing well and then the game ends, which abruptly stops that character development. And it ends in a way that's been seen a million times before - "we can't be together even though I really really want to." Seeing how she could develop further with the PC is more interesting to me than having her just be the evil manipulative type, or the total-fear-of-love type. Not to say it should be a Leave it to Beaver ending, but there are other possibilities that don't necessarily end in tragedy.

[marshalleck]

Well it's obviously a cliffhanger--what's to say her relationship with the PC won't develop further in a sequel?

If her development is planned to arc over say three games, wouldn't it be unfair to judge her writing only one third of the way through?

Modifié par marshalleck, 25 novembre 2009 - 11:43 .

[Crysis I]

the ending was very well done. i really liked it and enjoyed this ending it would be nice to see a sequel with morrigan and the mc together or something were just have to wait and see.

[Herr Uhl]

I'm hoping that a hypothetical sequel wont take place in Ferelden, directly involve any of the main characters from the first and have nothing to do with the blight.



Even though I want to find out what happened to Morrigan and god-child.

[mrao]

People hate what they don't understand, for the most part. It seems like most of the people who claim to hate Morrigan have very little understanding of her character.

I'm not sure this is always the case. I happen to like Morrigan, but other people probably have perfectly good reasons for not doing so.

Modifié par mrao, 25 novembre 2009 - 11:53 .

[Alan Rickman]

I wouldn't be surprised if Morrigan turns out to be the one constant in Dragon Age. I just hope that my PC from Origins is along for the ride, or at least gets to tie up any loose ends concerning Morrigan and their child before passing the torch to a new PC.

[Herr Uhl]

JobacNoor wrote...

I wouldn't be surprised if Morrigan turns out to be the one constant in Dragon Age. I just hope that my PC from Origins is along for the ride, or at least gets to tie up any loose ends concerning Morrigan and their child before passing the torch to a new PC.

He'll be carrying the torch in more ways than one...

[Driveninhifi]

marshalleck wrote...

Well it's obviously a cliffhanger--what's to say her relationship with the PC won't develop further in a sequel?

If her development is planned to arc over say three games, wouldn't it be unfair to judge her writing only one third of the way through?

Oh I definitely agree. I just feel the ending could have been handled more organically/naturally than it was. I mean, the PC isn't even allowed to ask or confront her on why he can't come. That feels very artificial.
It's tough to end any story and I can see the writers didn't want to give away their continuing plot too early. I think they kept a little too much from the player and that hurts the ending.

[marshalleck]

Yes, that we can agree. The hook is very obvious.

I think people don't always get or appreciate nuance or subtlety. Perhaps that's why Bioware thought it best to hammer the player over the head with Morrigan's ending.

Modifié par marshalleck, 26 novembre 2009 - 12:15 .

[Exodus]

Driveninhifi wrote...

marshalleck wrote...
Well it's obviously a cliffhanger--what's to say her relationship with the PC won't develop further in a sequel?

If her development is planned to arc over say three games, wouldn't it be unfair to judge her writing only one third of the way through?

Oh I definitely agree. I just feel the ending could have been handled more organically/naturally than it was. I mean, the PC isn't even allowed to ask or confront her on why he can't come. That feels very artificial.
It's tough to end any story and I can see the writers didn't want to give away their continuing plot too early. I think they kept a little too much from the player and that hurts the ending.

I see where you are coming from and I completely understand that you enjoyed the experiences offered from the character but let's not hate on the character because you want MOAR PRZ. I mean did you even read or listen to her banter and you have to wonder about her motivation? Did you simply just skip through the dialogues with her or something I mean jeez were you simply trying to get to the let's share a tent scenes or something?

I think you just wanted a happy ending. I can understand that. She kept her eye on the prize while you were too busy from what it sounds like staring at her slender figure. 

Modifié par Exodus, 26 novembre 2009 - 12:28 .

[Driveninhifi]

Exodus wrote...

Driveninhifi wrote...

marshalleck wrote...
Well it's obviously a cliffhanger--what's to say her relationship with the PC won't develop further in a sequel?

If her development is planned to arc over say three games, wouldn't it be unfair to judge her writing only one third of the way through?

Oh I definitely agree. I just feel the ending could have been handled more organically/naturally than it was. I mean, the PC isn't even allowed to ask or confront her on why he can't come. That feels very artificial.
It's tough to end any story and I can see the writers didn't want to give away their continuing plot too early. I think they kept a little too much from the player and that hurts the ending.

I see where you are coming from and I completely understand that you enjoyed the experiences offered from the character but let's not hate on the character because you want MOAR PRZ. I mean did you even read or listen to her banter and you have to wonder about her motivation? Did you simply just skip through the dialogues with her or something I mean jeez were you simply trying to get to the let's share a tent scenes or something?

I think you just wanted a happy ending. I can understand that. She kept her eye on the prize while you were too busy from what it sounds like staring at her slender figure. 

No, not at all. From what you see of her in game her primary motivation is survival, independence and the power to maintain both. It would not surprise you if she left because you were trying to hold her down or keep her trapped. However, in the end her language is totally about duty and "this is important" and "this is greater than us" - which does not jive with what you know about her. One of the ends has her pregnant from the PC, but not with the god-child. Why would she do that? Wouldn't it just be a burden? Not to say you should know everything up front at all - just that the side of her that actually has some concept of duty was not developed in the game.
Maybe she really does no have no concept of duty, but from what Mr Gaider has said on these forums I'm inclined to believe she does feel like what she is doing is "the right thing," at least in her mind. She could be doing it just for herself, but again, those motivations are not developed during the game. Which makes the ending feel abrupt and forced to me, as it stops the character development the player has been participating in.

[marshalleck]

I'd be very skeptical about those text endings. People report some very strange endings to their game compared to what decisions they actually made.

[marshalleck]

and again with the double posting, wtf

Modifié par marshalleck, 26 novembre 2009 - 01:10 .

[LoneStarJedi]

A little something that's been bugging me about the epilogue, so now I have to ask. Is there anything special you have to do to get that bit about feeling her emotions through the ring? As far as I can tell, I've done everything right to get the *best* ending with Morrigan. Had her at 100%, in love, I'm her baby daddy, she said I was "her love", etc. But nothing about a ring. Trivial, I know, but now the romance for this character almost feels incomplete

[MassEffect762]

LoneStarJedi wrote...

A little something that's been bugging me about the epilogue, so now I have to ask. Is there anything special you have to do to get that bit about feeling her emotions through the ring? As far as I can tell, I've done everything right to get the *best* ending with Morrigan. Had her at 100%, in love, I'm her baby daddy, she said I was "her love", etc. But nothing about a ring. Trivial, I know, but now the romance for this character almost feels incomplete

I played as a mage and she eventually gave me her ring, don't know if thats the case with other classes.


This ending would  have been SO much easier to swallow  if they had included a dialogue choice such as "I will always be here for you, my love. Farewell.

Counter that Morrigan.

[Drider-man]

I really liked the Morrigan romance. My human rogue had romanced her and they had fallen in sweet, nihilistic love until her issues took over and she wanted to break it off. Dashing ladies man rogue complied after she insisted for a few times (He's a man dammit, he has needs!) and stopped the relationship, leaving him free to pursue other options-And along comes Anora, who's smoking hot and a ticket to the throne of Ferelden.

Of course, Morrigan suggests the ritual and I thought the reason for it was fairly obvious: It will save the life of the man she loves. Of course, there's also the added benefit of making Godbaby without granny Flemeth interfering since I wasted her long ago.

So in the end, it all worked out, sweet with a taste of bitter. I get to live, get the throne and the merry widow and Morrigan has her Godbaby and a fond memory of our last dark-magic fueled night together.

Everyone's happy-Well except Alistair but he apparently died somewhere inbetween me choosing to spare Loghain as a gesture to my future wife (he would've understood if he wasn't a damn virgin) and the epilogue. Or maybe Anoras just a very cold woman who likes to erect monuments celebrating their heroic deaths to people still living

[Alex Savchovsky]

Finished the game yesterday. I have to disagree - the ending was very good. Very. Not happy, to be sure, but this only makes it better. And I'm looking forward to seeing Morrigan again in DA, can't imagine Bioware dropping that story line, it's probably more important than the Blights even.

[LoneStarJedi]

Oh, I have the ring, I just saw no mention of it during the epilogue. Tried both having it in my inventory and actually wearing it before stepping out to my adoring fans. Oh well, either way my PC is gonna use it to track her down

[Vilegrim]

arolas6622 wrote...

 I don't know who thought of this ending when making the game, they must have been going through a bad break up. but this ending is BY FAR the worst romance ending i have ever come across. 

IMO I thought it was a load of crap.  now i know romances are what ppl look for in a game, but to me its a really big part in forming character and a big part of an rpg. 

after i found out that all that crap i went through to get her romantic with my character was for nothing i felt no intentions on finishing on that character, i went thru the last bit with cheats.. it didnt even say at the end with all the writing that he had found her. 

I hope for the love of god that the other romance line is better. 

LEARN to romance better bioware.

it is the best, if you actually work for it. I may be biased because she reminds me of a friend now dead a year and more, but she warns you not to get involved, she hates herself for letting this happen, she tells you to end it, more than once, she tells you it cant end well, and at the end when all is said and done, she hurts as much as you do for what she must do, how it must be, and after all that, her story is not done, and neither is yours., and even if that story does meet again it will not be happy ever after but it maybe real with all the twist and turns pain and compromises and yet with that you know that no one else knows you that well or you them it isn't a fairy tale but it is worth fighting for because no one else would understand what it means to be you that well.

If you want happy ever after pick lel and her shallow shoes obssed BS.

Modifié par Vilegrim, 28 novembre 2009 - 01:05 .

[Arijharn]

Taleroth wrote...

Dennis Carpenter wrote...

But then I dont think you believed she would do what she did if the ending is as sad as everyone seems to say, and if not for the reason of immortality then why? Maybe the taint from being around the blight or in and out of the fade has changed her.......Seems like a very interesting storyline the writers could pursue.

My soe suspicion is that she's seeking to revive the Tevinter Pantheon.  Or create a new deity of the wilderness.  It gives "higher meaning" to what she's doing and isn't particularly bad.

There is a reason why people fear the unknown though, who knows what sort of rammifications this child could bring. Also bear in mind that your character is a bit of an alpha male and is known to be considerably better than most. Even without the traits that the Old God will have, the child will very likely grow to have an impact on society if not Ferelden than the world.

[Arijharn]

LoneStarJedi wrote...

Oh, I have the ring, I just saw no mention of it during the epilogue. Tried both having it in my inventory and actually wearing it before stepping out to my adoring fans. Oh well, either way my PC is gonna use it to track her down

hmm, that's weird, I got the ring mentioned in mine. Here's the steps I used:

I accepted the ring willingly and wore it immediately, never taking it off.
Maintained a relationship with morrigan the entire way through, when she 'cuts you off' I didn't break up with her
Denied Leliana when she fell in love with me
Fell into bed with Leliana when she re-fell in love with me (I didn't think that was possible tbh, I thought there was a flag that made you friends and that way you'll stay even if you got to 100 Approval).
I asked about the child she wanted but then slept with her (She was much more passionate about the night if you are still in the relationship with her)
I took her through the Denerim climax as part of my party. I talked to her as well and asked her to reconsider her plans for leaving: She mentioned that it is more tempting than even I could realise but she wouldn't.
I didn't say to Alistair after the event that I was going to look for Morrigan.

In that ending the ring is mentioned in that 'occassionally you hear thoughts filled with sorrow and grief at leaving your side' or words to that effect. I think the ring will be a plot event in any attempts to track her down, even if you slew Flemeth (which I did and I said I'd do it willingly as well)

[Vilegrim]

Arijharn wrote...

LoneStarJedi wrote...

Oh, I have the ring, I just saw no mention of it during the epilogue. Tried both having it in my inventory and actually wearing it before stepping out to my adoring fans. Oh well, either way my PC is gonna use it to track her down

hmm, that's weird, I got the ring mentioned in mine. Here's the steps I used:

I accepted the ring willingly and wore it immediately, never taking it off.
Maintained a relationship with morrigan the entire way through, when she 'cuts you off' I didn't break up with her
Denied Leliana when she fell in love with me
Fell into bed with Leliana when she re-fell in love with me (I didn't think that was possible tbh, I thought there was a flag that made you friends and that way you'll stay even if you got to 100 Approval).
I asked about the child she wanted but then slept with her (She was much more passionate about the night if you are still in the relationship with her)
I took her through the Denerim climax as part of my party. I talked to her as well and asked her to reconsider her plans for leaving: She mentioned that it is more tempting than even I could realise but she wouldn't.
I didn't say to Alistair after the event that I was going to look for Morrigan.

In that ending the ring is mentioned in that 'occassionally you hear thoughts filled with sorrow and grief at leaving your side' or words to that effect. I think the ring will be a plot event in any attempts to track her down, even if you slew Flemeth (which I did and I said I'd do it willingly as well)

I did pretty much that, but I told her I would find her, and told Anora that I was going to look for Morrigan, got the ring ending,