It was only 300 galactic standard years ago that the Quarians screwed the Geth pooch and had to resort to being filthy space gypsies. Considering how advanced the civilizations of the galaxy are in general (I know the Quarians are known for their technical expertise, but if they were building AI 300 years ago and the rest of the galaxy already had enough experience with AI to have outlawed it, one can assume they had, y'know, cameras and ****) it doesn't really make sense to me that there is not one surviving picture of a Quarian without an environmental suit.
Obviously this is dictacted by the plot to give them an air of mystery and to drive Talimancers up the wall, but it just strikes me as Dumb with a capital D that there are literally no known depictions of what they actually look like and absolutely no one has any idea what their appearence really is.
Sorry if this has been discussed before, but I was sitting in traffic earlier and it just hit me.
Why the Quarian Mystery is Dumb
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Bullets McDeath
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Posté 07 janvier 2011 - 11:42
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Iam a Talimancer but I feel the same way as you. I want to see a unmasked Quarian god dammit!
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Posté 07 janvier 2011 - 11:49
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I'd like to think that they have no defining facial features beyond eyes and a nose. No one remembers how they look because they're so utterly bland.
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Posté 07 janvier 2011 - 11:52
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Um, who's whining? I don't really give a toss, I just think it's lazy. Especially considering there are at least two major races in the game that can live up to or beyond 1,000 years and it just falls apart.
Clarification: I am not a Talimancer and the "quarian reveal" is not something that will make or break ME3 for me. I just think it is dumb that no one can remember what they look like, considering it hasn't really been that long as far as the galaxy is concerned.
Clarification: I am not a Talimancer and the "quarian reveal" is not something that will make or break ME3 for me. I just think it is dumb that no one can remember what they look like, considering it hasn't really been that long as far as the galaxy is concerned.
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Posté 07 janvier 2011 - 11:53
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Everyone knows what they look like in universe. Bioware just hasnt made a model of them yet. Kinda like the females of most species... They are just lazy. Maybe in ME3 they will finally show one.
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Posté 07 janvier 2011 - 11:59
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300 years is a long time, especially when their entire race was uprooted in a bloody conflict that claimed billions of lives.
It's also 300 years of almost total seclusion. The only time anybody else would ever see a quarian post-Morning War is in an environmental suit. That's 300 years of associating quarians with their clothing/armor. Even for an asari who has lived close to 1000 years, that's over a third of your lifespan having to perceive something in a different way. Even barring senility, no asari or krogan is going to have even close to perfect memory of something that happened centuries ago.
It's also 300 years of almost total seclusion. The only time anybody else would ever see a quarian post-Morning War is in an environmental suit. That's 300 years of associating quarians with their clothing/armor. Even for an asari who has lived close to 1000 years, that's over a third of your lifespan having to perceive something in a different way. Even barring senility, no asari or krogan is going to have even close to perfect memory of something that happened centuries ago.
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Posté 08 janvier 2011 - 12:00
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That was one thing I was never sure of, though, whether people in-universe do know what they look like. I seem to remember the Quarian on Illium (with the Turian "friend", poor guy) saying something to the effect of "people just want to date me because they're all like, ooooh, I wonder what she looks like under that mask".
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Posté 08 janvier 2011 - 12:02
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I think she was referring to humans, both since humans haven't seen unmasked quarians and as a jab at the fans who want to see what quarians look like.
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Posté 08 janvier 2011 - 12:04
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Schneidend wrote...
300 years is a long time, especially when their entire race was uprooted in a bloody conflict that claimed billions of lives.
It's also 300 years of almost total seclusion. The only time anybody else would ever see a quarian post-Morning War is in an environmental suit. That's 300 years of associating quarians with their clothing/armor. Even for an asari who has lived close to 1000 years, that's over a third of your lifespan having to perceive something in a different way. Even barring senility, no asari or krogan is going to have even close to perfect memory of something that happened centuries ago.
300 years is a long time no matter how you slice it, that's true, but even a middle-aged Asari (five or six hundred years) should be able to recall it, more or less. I mean, Samara was chasing Morinth for 400 years, right? I bet she can remember why. But the long-lived races forgetting after a long time is only one thing, surely there was photographic evidence at some point? Surely someone on the Citadel was keeping the in-world equivalent of a codex on all known species? Especially since they've been stuck in their suits for the past 300 years, you'd think someone would have made sure to keep pre-Morning War records of thema round.
Of course, it is the way it is because that is the way Bioware wants it. It just suddenly struck me how arbitrary it was.
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Posté 08 janvier 2011 - 12:06
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They are in porn mags on the internet... Some quarians dont even wear suits after getting a genetic upgrade. Everybody knows what they look like. They dont know what each specifically looks like, but they know what their race looks like. They are apparently very attractive for people to want to see what their faces look like, or maybe just got disalussioned by all the porn of quarians models.outlaworacle wrote...
That was one thing I was never sure of, though, whether people in-universe do know what they look like. I seem to remember the Quarian on Illium (with the Turian "friend", poor guy) saying something to the effect of "people just want to date me because they're all like, ooooh, I wonder what she looks like under that mask".
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Posté 08 janvier 2011 - 12:08
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lol u really call urselves "talimancers"
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Posté 08 janvier 2011 - 12:11
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Vaenier wrote...
They are in porn mags on the internet... Some quarians dont even wear suits after getting a genetic upgrade. Everybody knows what they look like. They dont know what each specifically looks like, but they know what their race looks like. They are apparently very attractive for people to want to see what their faces look like, or maybe just got disalussioned by all the porn of quarians models.outlaworacle wrote...
That was one thing I was never sure of, though, whether people in-universe do know what they look like. I seem to remember the Quarian on Illium (with the Turian "friend", poor guy) saying something to the effect of "people just want to date me because they're all like, ooooh, I wonder what she looks like under that mask".
Aha! That's news to me. Should have spent longer perusing that copy of Fornax.
So, it seems that in-universe, people are aware of what they look like, which sort of takes the wind out of this post. I will downgrade the dumb to a lowercase d and stand corrected.
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Posté 08 janvier 2011 - 12:11
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shnizzler93 wrote...
Cool story bro
no way dude, your story was cooler. Thanks for sharing it! This thread would be nothing without it. Again, from the bottom of my heart, thank you. The comment wasn't just NECESARRY, it was blindingly original.
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Posté 08 janvier 2011 - 12:19
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The only reason not to show what Quarians look like in the past 2 games is to make the Tali face reveal in ME3 that much more epic.
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Posté 08 janvier 2011 - 12:23
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AI's were outlawed because of the Quarian/Geth situation, not before that. Regardless, the Humans were still nuking their own planet during that era.
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Posté 08 janvier 2011 - 12:33
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I agree, they were dealing with aliens long before they had a war with the geth.
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Posté 08 janvier 2011 - 12:38
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Drowsy0106 wrote...
AI's were outlawed because of the Quarian/Geth situation, not before that. Regardless, the Humans were still nuking their own planet during that era.
Humans had nuclear weapons in 1885?
I appreciate the correction but it's just a nitpick. They still had faster than light travel, mass accelerator weapons, and that pinnacle of technological design, the damned camera 
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Posté 08 janvier 2011 - 12:41
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Ah all of the quarian lore in ME2 is dumb. I get why they need a suit to leave their ships but why would they need suits when on their ships? The whole trial was just dumb. Shep and his squad go threw decon to get on a ship where everyone in a space suit.
I get why they want to tease the tali reveal, but damn did they make the lore stupid.
I get why they want to tease the tali reveal, but damn did they make the lore stupid.
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Posté 08 janvier 2011 - 12:43
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People know what quarians look like in the Mass Effect setting (fornax has models, a suitless quarian is mentioned in Mass Effect during Geth Incursions). Just the player doesn't.
edit: It's silly they go to such lengths to hide their faces. But this always happens with characters like that.
edit: It's silly they go to such lengths to hide their faces. But this always happens with characters like that.
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Posté 08 janvier 2011 - 12:46
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TheNexus wrote...
The only reason not to show what Quarians look like in the past 2 games is to make the Tali face reveal in ME3 that much more epic.
tali's face is the secret weapon against the reapers. when she takes off her mask in front of a reaper, it screams and explodes.
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Posté 08 janvier 2011 - 01:00
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Drowsy0106 wrote...
AI's were outlawed because of the Quarian/Geth situation, not before that. Regardless, the Humans were still nuking their own planet during that era.
No it wasn't. In ME1 Tali mentioned that they were skirting the AI research laws in creating and upgrading the Geth but weren't directly breaking said law. Which means that the law against AI research already exsisted before The Morning War.
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Posté 08 janvier 2011 - 01:05
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id rather give EDI a face. and then romance her ASAP.
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Posté 08 janvier 2011 - 01:26
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There really should be some descriptions of what a Quarian looks like, but maybe like 15 to still have additional mystery. What is annoying is that there is Jack Nothing about what they look like. It's not too big of a deal and I would be more surprised if Bioware actually revealed a Quarian's face than not. It would be great if the next game included a moment where Tali takes off her mask and have it be an Elcor and make the whole thing a dream sequence.
However, many, many games, movies, and other media have characters that never showed their face or only showed them as a crescendo. V for Vendetta's V, South Park's Kenny, Judge Dredd, and Halo all utilized the "Faceless Character" trope with some of those never even showing the person's face. It can help make a character more interesting or be used as symbolism. Judge Dredd symbolizes that Justice is a non-personal entity and isn't V that much more awesome with the mystery involved?
My guess is that the lack of Quarian reveal is meant to symbolize something that they are missing. The obvious choice is a home world but maybe you could even think of their need for Pilgrimages as a factor. Quarians are likely based on the Romani and one of the stereotypes of those people is the "Gypsy Scarf" or "Gypsy Veil", so maybe it is solely meant as additional characterization. Maybe it is meant to show off that the Quarian are even more displaced than one would think, as they are now "trapped" inside suits. Bioware is excellent at putting deeper meaning in their games and I doubt they would have such an integral part of a character and race without good reason.
Best of luck y'all.
-Eddie
However, many, many games, movies, and other media have characters that never showed their face or only showed them as a crescendo. V for Vendetta's V, South Park's Kenny, Judge Dredd, and Halo all utilized the "Faceless Character" trope with some of those never even showing the person's face. It can help make a character more interesting or be used as symbolism. Judge Dredd symbolizes that Justice is a non-personal entity and isn't V that much more awesome with the mystery involved?
My guess is that the lack of Quarian reveal is meant to symbolize something that they are missing. The obvious choice is a home world but maybe you could even think of their need for Pilgrimages as a factor. Quarians are likely based on the Romani and one of the stereotypes of those people is the "Gypsy Scarf" or "Gypsy Veil", so maybe it is solely meant as additional characterization. Maybe it is meant to show off that the Quarian are even more displaced than one would think, as they are now "trapped" inside suits. Bioware is excellent at putting deeper meaning in their games and I doubt they would have such an integral part of a character and race without good reason.
Best of luck y'all.
-Eddie
