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[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Well I'm saying since he got the whole dad issue for the most part off his shoulder's , maybe he'll be more open.Same goes for Miranda who was a bit cold shoulder until you help with her technically family issue also.



In short I believe Jacob will be more vocal in ME3 than he was in ME2.

[Angel-Shinkiro]

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Tribbleofdoom wrote...

The solution to any problem is to turn said problem into a cyborg.

Kojima did it, so can Bioware.

Cyborg ninja Jacob for ME3 !

Only one problem, Raiden still sucked.

NO! Bad cat! Cyborg Raiden was super special awesome ok.

[Mudzr]

Yes destroying Jacob will fix him... just don't bring him back

Seriously having him show up towards the end, maybe holding off cerebus and taking on a single Reaper all by himself in the process while you save the galaxy would be so awesome it would totally redeem him. I don't really want him dead but I think a heroic sacrifice would be cool for his character, maybe he could even say a few words to Miranda in his final moments.

[HighMoon]

TheBRADLeyB wrote...

And how almost everyone hates him.

That's an overstatement. The majority of male players are indifferent towards him, almost every female player hates him however. I didn't mind him to be honest, he seemed like a good bloke (though "I'm more interested in just *talking* for a bit" did get slightly annoying), but there wasn't a whole lot that stood out about him. And I know this sounds shallow, but pretty much his only redeeming feature for me was that awesome bod of his *drool*. That man is RIPPED.

[Marta Rio]

Here's how I'd fix Jacob...(no reassembly required)
The scene: Shep and two of the most badass squaddies (for this example, let's say Garrus and Zaeed) are pinned down by heavy fire, about to get a rocket each to the face.  Suddenly, a masked figure, clad in full body armor (probably with flames or racing stripes painted on it) jetpacks in from out of nowhere, roundhouse kicks the nearest bad guy in the face, then takes a flamethrower to the rest of the enemy forces.  By this time, Zaeed and Garrus have both been knocked unconscious by enemy fire, so this mysterious stranger grabs them both by the collar and gestures for Shep to cover him as he jetpacks them both to safety.  Shep makes his retreat, then meets up with the masked man and his stunned comrades in a nearby clearing.  "Why would you risk your life to help us?" Shep asks, sheepishly.  "Because you would do the same for me," says the man, removing his mask to reveal that he is none other than the one and only Jacob Taylor.

In all seriousness, just make Jacob do something badass and cool in the next installment and all will be forgiven (Well, the blandness will be forgiven.  But probably not the creepy romance.)

[ROD525]

There is nothing about Jacob that needs to be fixed. He's a SOLDIER...he does his duty and doesn't sit around whining and crying like the majority of the so called "cool aliens" this forum deems to be so much more interesting.

Jacob is straight up with Shepard from the very beginning and he truly respects him,hell he even salutes you and he really doesn't have to with The Normandy being a civilian ship.

Alot of folks are pissed about what he said to Tali even though she was a snarky little twit to him, but people see what they want. Garrus was supposed to be my bro but all he does is cry about Sidonis and play with his cannons...me and my bro Jacob are hittin the bar at the citidel and getting loud.

[ShepardOsiris]

I'd like to see Jacob either become indoctrinated or become a traitor by his own free will, and stab us all in the back by sabatoging the Normandy or something. Then if you like Jacob, you can let him live or try and help him. If you hate him, a brief but rewarding mini boss battle can ensue, where you shoot it out with him on the CIC deck of the Normandy. It it can end with Grunt charging Jacob's dumb *** right into the air lock before EDI or Joker dispose of him. No Renegade points if you choose to fight him either. That's how I want Jacob fixed.

[ShepardOsiris]

bullion-rouge wrote...

The only fix Jacob needs.

Make it possible for a femShep to talk to him normally, without sounding like she is itching to hump his leg.

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 Oh, man that was aggrevating.  The way she delivered that "I was hoping we could just talk for a bit" line, they might as well have had her say " Do you have an erection? and can I play with it?"    I kept thinking "Shut up you wh***, you love Thane, and you hate Jacob, why do you keep talking to him like that?"

[Moondoggie]

For me i think it's just generally make him more interesting. His background was all a bit boring to listen to he didn't have much to say. Also make his lines less steriotypical just because he is black does not mean he needs to talk like Mr.T i know plenty of black guys who speak properly he had too many cringe worthy lines that if they were not there would have made him a much more credible character instead he just ended up looking like a bit of a joke characeter and between that and the fact he isn't all that interesting makes him probably the least popular character in the Mass Effect series.

[Atmosfear3]

How dare anyone suggest killing off my bro Jacob?!

[N7Infernox]

"Fixing Jacob":



-make him less of of a douchbag (he tried very hard to be a player toward femshep sometimes)

-give him an actual importance in the plot (he seems like just another soldier; no real incentive to talk to him, especially for mansheps)

-give his Mass Effect Galaxy apeearance, or at least remove his beard

[hitorihanzo]

Jacob didn't show what he was capable of until the Suicide Mission. He's actually one of 3 people that you can select at a certain time that won't die, or cause others to die if you select him. BioWare did both good and bad things with Jacob: they didn't turn him into a walking stereotype as many in entertainment are apt to do with black males (I appreciated that greatly. Not all of us speak "Ebonics"), but they didn't show that Jacob was as much of a bad-ass as everyone else. His power combination stunk compared to Miranda, or Garrus making him a waste of space on missions. Sorry, but I usually only play as a soldier, vanguard, or infiltrator. I need someone who can take down biotic barriers, or shields quickly.



I want to see Jacob return. Very much so, in fact. But he simply needs to be re-tooled.

[Marta Rio]

ShepardOsiris wrote...

I'd like to see Jacob either become indoctrinated or become a traitor by his own free will, and stab us all in the back by sabatoging the Normandy or something. Then if you like Jacob, you can let him live or try and help him. If you hate him, a brief but rewarding mini boss battle can ensue, where you shoot it out with him on the CIC deck of the Normandy. It it can end with Grunt charging Jacob's dumb *** right into the air lock before EDI or Joker dispose of him. No Renegade points if you choose to fight him either. That's how I want Jacob fixed.

Heh - I like this idea in general.  I'd like to see an epic fight on the Normandy with a traitorous or indoctrinated character.  But I for one would be disappointed if I got zero renegade points for airlocking someone instead of helping them. 

[Arken]

Jacob and Kaiden are my favorite characters along with Grunt, Jack, Mordin, and Thane.



I like Grunt because he is badass.

I like Thane because he is a very deep character.

I like Mordin because he talks funny.

I like Jack because she is the only love interest that is badass and tough while still being interesting.

I like Kaiden and Jacob because they are practical and not insane.



Jacob was fine just as he was. I think the most memorable moment with him was when my Shepard talked to him about the husks on the derelict reaper. It was kind of like, "You must have leather skin to be able to just hold all of that all the time."



All Jacob needs as people have already mentioned is a badass opportunity. To be real honest I want Jacob to take advantage of that shotgun. I want some enemy to be right behind me and Jacob to come out of nowhere and blow its head at pointblank range.



All he'll need to say it, "I think its dead, just a guess." or "No priize for you."

[Cheesy Blue]

hmm, fixing Jacob.... Heavy risk.... But the Priiiize.
Sorry couldn't resist.

[habitat 67]

Da_Lion_Man wrote...

I like Jacob. He's the only squad member who isn't bat**** crazy. That alone makes me appreciate him.

I do hope I get to see more of him in ME3. Would be sad if Bioware gave in on the haters.

Yep, I agree. Jacob fills his role as crew mediator makes me love him and I hope they continue to play this part into the story in ME3.

[ShepardOsiris]

Marta Rio wrote...

Heh - I like this idea in general.  I'd like to see an epic fight on the Normandy with a traitorous or indoctrinated character.  But I for one would be disappointed if I got zero renegade points for airlocking someone instead of helping them. 

  I worded that poorly.  What I was suggesting, was that no paragon points if you help, no renegade if you fight and kill, just so that whatever path you chose, your not penalized for dealing with him how you want to deal with him just this once.   

  Maybe the airlock disposal can be a final Renegade option with the points, and the Paragon fight ends with Jacob doing something that get's himself killed, so your not the badass that ended him.   How's that?

[Schneidend]

Jacob is fine.

[MsKlaussen]

lazuli wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

To be fair Jacob had his own set of issues to deal with in ME2.Hopefully in ME3 they let him show more personality.

Part of his personality is that he doesn't like to "show more personality."  He deals with his issues privately.  He's a professional.

And to the original poster, I don't like your idea at all.  I do appreciate, though, that you took a different path instead of wholeheartedly jumping aboard the "Jacob is boring" bandwagon.

I actually don't even think it's a Jacob is Boring bandwagon. The only difference between Jacob and Ashley is gender, race, and the fact that Ashley is racist and Jacob isn't. In fact that's Ashley's whole claim to fame. The only reason her character is anything other than a run of the mill by the book soldier loyal to the company, which is exactly what Jacob is.

And to make matters worse, not only is the aforementioned true, but Ashley offers no exciting powers whatsoever in ME1, and isn't even a squadmate in ME2, so the OPs assertions that part of the problem is Jacob's limited abilities is even less legitimate as a reason to dislike him. Yet there is no Mass Movement against Ashley, no hard drive full of parodies and mockeries on Youtube's servers devoted to her.

Perhaps the only motive for this that doesn't sound like pure BS to me is people making the point that everyone has evolved in the ME universe seemingly except non-executive level Black people, who still manage to hold to 20th century stereotypes. Maybe Bioware needs to ask themselves whether a love scene involving Anderson would have him coming off like a horrendously bad imitation of Barry White. And if not, then why not, and do those reasons justify the disparity in stereotyping between the Black characters.

Other than that, there's nothing wrong with Jacob. His loyalty mission can be quite funny, depending on choices, and now that I'm finally playing something other than a Vanguard and don't already have Pull, I actually have a reason to have him along. I really miss Pull as an Infiltrator. And my shotgun. Annnnnd Heavy Charge.

Modifié par MsKlaussen, 08 janvier 2011 - 10:24 .

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Of course I don't think Jacob is boring , was just saying since he got certain issues out of the way maybe he'll be more vocal or they give him a great scene aiding Shepard that shows off what he's capable of in ME3.



Good point made , the biggest reason Jacob to me is like able because he's not a stereotype of someone who's black.He's not as said above a Barry White , a Cole Train from Gears of War or constantly talking in slang.



Is it really so wrong to have a character who's the most normal out of everyone on the ship , who's not combat crazy that's a regular average person who's happens to be black ?

[PrinceLionheart]

Tribbleofdoom wrote...

The solution to any problem is to turn said problem into a cyborg.

I never understood this. Raiden actually became whiny when he got turned into a cyborg but people suddenly felt he was more badass. 

[Nightwriter]

I think the way to "fix" Jacob in ME3 is just to let us spill some drinks on the Citadel with him.

[Iakus]

Jacob was the "vanilla mortal" of the crew.  That by itself makes him unique.   He's not a genetically engineered super-soldier, or super-leader.  He's not a literal army-of-one.  He's not the most powerful biotic EVAR!  Or a bad**** vigilante who can hold off entire armies all by his lonesome.  Nor a scientist who can cook up a cure for a Collector plague in a free clinic.  He's basically like Shepard.  Or at least Shepard as he/she could have been before becoming all messianic on us:  A former Alliance soldier frustrated that the authorities aren't seeing the threat before them, and turned to the only viable option left. 

I actually sympathized with him.  He didn't trust the Illusive Man either, but is willing to play along while they had a common enemy.  If the game had actually allowed any meaningful interaction with a character we didn't intend to sleep with, I would have been glad to "spill some drinks on the CItadel" with him.  I also would have liked to hear what his beef with mercs is.  Listen to strories about his time with the corsairs.  Maybe learn more about his time on Eden Prime and his impressions of the geth attack there.  Maybe get his impression on the last mission.  OR hear his opinions on choices I have to make, or have made.  You know, add some charactarization to this character-driven game.  Rather than gimmicks.