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[Fiery Phoenix]

mrsph wrote...

Am I the only person who thinks that most of the problems with Jacob is how Jennifer Hale voiced Shepard when talking to him? Other than that? He's pretty a cool guy.

Just knock off the sexual harassment, Shepard.

I think Jacob's romance just has the most obvious harassment on Shepard's part. Other romances, from my experience, do have this sense of harassment but to a significantly smaller extent. The only romances that didn't seem to be portrayed as if Shepard was harassing the love interest are, in my opinion, Tali's and Thane's.

[morrie23]

Jacob is ok, he's actually the most normal, non-superhero-like squadmate. As mrsph said, my main issue is the way FemShep speaks to him.



I didn't really like his loyalty mission though, mainly due to the immersion breaking inclusion of mechs and thermal clips when both have no place on a decade old ship.

[Elite Midget]

You imply that something is wrong with Jacob...



He was more willing to talk to me and have a Bromance compared to Garrus and his cold hard Collaborations.

[MajesticJazz]

Take Liara for example, a lot was done with her and she's a much better character now. I think that's what the players are talking about when they say Jacob needs "fixing"...

Essentially you're saying that Jacob needs to be a bit "Darker" in terms of personallity. That my friend is a bit too cliche.

I'm going to go back with what I said earlier which is that Jacob is Jacob. He isn't some former mercenary, he isn't an assasin, a vigilante, or some raged Krogan....he is Jacob Taylor....former Alliance Marine who joined Cerberus with the thought that he could do humanity better. He is a very reserved person but at the same time has the up most respect for Shepard, even if he doesn't want to open up.

Jacob is Jacob and that is who he is. The only thing that needs to be fixed is to make him more useful in combat.

Modifié par MajesticJazz, 10 janvier 2011 - 03:03 .

[lazuli]

MajesticJazz wrote...
Jacob is Jacob and that is who he is. The only thing that needs to be fixed is to make him more useful in combat.

I've posted a guide for how to get the most out of Jacob in combat.  I argue that although his effectiveness isn't as immediately apparent as, say, Miranda, he still is quite useful, even on Insanity.  He's a great support character.

[SetsunaF]

So basically turn Jacob into Robocop?

[diskoh]

There was a great deal of things that made me dislike Jacob as a character. From saying something rude to just about every new squad member, right down to constantly volunteering for things he can't do in the suicide mission. Not to mention "I'm not big on these talks..." You know what, shut the hell up, Jacob, I didn't ask if you were big on these talks.

My favorite thing to do is when he volunteers to crawl through the ducts, saying "Sure have at it if you volunteer" and watching him die.

Modifié par diskoh, 10 janvier 2011 - 06:30 .

[Layzr]

i dont mind jacob, there were other squadmates who i cant stand more, although i thought it was pretty unfair how after you recruited a squadmate they would Sh*t on jacob for no reason, and all he ever says is stuff like "welcome aboard, it will be god to have someone with your skills on the team" and "theres a nice place in mess where you can stay"

Modifié par Layzr, 10 janvier 2011 - 06:39 .

[MajesticJazz]

Tchones13 wrote...

MajesticJazz wrote...

Take Liara for example, a lot was done with her and she's a much better character now. I think that's what the players are talking about when they say Jacob needs "fixing"...

Essentially you're saying that Jacob needs to be a bit "Darker" in terms of personallity. That my friend is a bit too cliche.

Essentially what I'm saying is that he's boring. Period.

....he is Jacob Taylor....former Alliance Marine who joined Cerberus with the thought that he could do humanity better.

Boring cliche?

In general Mass Effect is nothing but a cliche

You're some space marine set off to defend Earth from invading aliens.

With Jacob, his past might be somewhat cliche, but atleast he has a human element to him. By making Liara darker, yes, it made her appeal to a larger audience, but it took away who she was in ME1 and very unrealistic considering how Asari are. In 2 short years, she turned from being a niave scientist to some cold blooded dark killer.

Bioware could have still kept Liara niave but at the same time develope her character. There is a difference between developing a character to something and changing a character into something. Luke Skywalker was developed in 3 movies from a young niave farm boy into a confident Jedi. Liara was changed from being a niave scientist into a much darker person.

With Jacob, I hope he stays who he is, but just becomes a bit more developed through more dialog and a more fleshed out past.

[MajesticJazz]

diskoh wrote...

There was a great deal of things that made me dislike Jacob as a character. From saying something rude to just about every new squad member, right down to constantly volunteering for things he can't do in the suicide mission. Not to mention "I'm not big on these talks..." You know what, shut the hell up, Jacob, I didn't ask if you were big on these talks.

My favorite thing to do is when he volunteers to crawl through the ducts, saying "Sure have at it if you volunteer" and watching him die.

It is funny because Jacob embraced Shepard from the beginning.

The funny thing is, NOBODY wants to talk about that. NOBODY wants to talk about how Jacob (besides Chakwas, Tali, and Garrus) really embraced Shepard.

Point is, no matter what Bioware does with Jacob, there are people who just will not like him.

For some people the only thing to fix Jacob is to make him have a darker personality (ala Liara)

For some people the only thing to fix Jacob is to make him more useful in combat.

For some people (they'll never admit it) is to make Jacob anything but an obvious black male character who femshep seems to have the hots for which really didn't rub off right with a lot of gamers considering how this is 2011 but people still seem to have racial ignorance.

[Lvl20DM]

I think the description of Liara as becoming a "cold blooded killer" is greatly overstating it. She is more mature and less naive. Which, considering what she went through, makes sense.

I like that Jacob is stable, proficient, and calm. The LotSB files even describe him as a "stable influence". I still think he should have been given an Assault Rifle, but the DLC shotguns are great in the hands of the squad-mates. Barrier, Fortification, and Shield Boost are all powers that drag down the squad-mate that gets them (though Grunt not so much, since I just use him as a tank).

In ME 3 I'm hoping that he shows up working for the alliance or as a cop/sheriff on a lawless space-station (like in the Nemiean Abyss).

[DDG4005]

Jacob is fine as he is. He's a professional soldier who takes his job seriously. I always have my Shepard take Jacob with him when recruiting Samara (and Zaeed). I think the problem some may have with his character is that he isn't trying to spit corny lines like some badass wannabe.

If anything I'd like to see his character wield assault rifles and sniper rifles in ME3 and wear some armor (same for Miranda). That said, leave Jacob as he is.

Modifié par DDG3595, 10 janvier 2011 - 07:04 .

[DDG4005]

MajesticJazz wrote...

diskoh wrote...

There was a great deal of things that made me dislike Jacob as a character. From saying something rude to just about every new squad member, right down to constantly volunteering for things he can't do in the suicide mission. Not to mention "I'm not big on these talks..." You know what, shut the hell up, Jacob, I didn't ask if you were big on these talks.

My favorite thing to do is when he volunteers to crawl through the ducts, saying "Sure have at it if you volunteer" and watching him die.

It is funny because Jacob embraced Shepard from the beginning.

The funny thing is, NOBODY wants to talk about that. NOBODY wants to talk about how Jacob (besides Chakwas, Tali, and Garrus) really embraced Shepard.

Point is, no matter what Bioware does with Jacob, there are people who just will not like him.

For some people the only thing to fix Jacob is to make him have a darker personality (ala Liara)

For some people the only thing to fix Jacob is to make him more useful in combat.

For some people (they'll never admit it) is to make Jacob anything but an obvious black male character who femshep seems to have the hots for which really didn't rub off right with a lot of gamers considering how this is 2011 but people still seem to have racial ignorance.

Very interesting points (especially the last bit).

[diskoh]

I listed in black and white (well, white on gray) the reasons I dislike him. There's nothing to figure out or dissect about it, to me the character was disrespectful and a contrarian. Just about every squad member Shepard brought on board, Jacob either made a rude comment to them ("Introduce yourself to the AI" to Tali) or didn't trust (Thane's just a precise mercenary).

After the second or third recruitment I found myself asking why this douchebag got to stand in the debriefing room berating everyone I brought on the ship. I wish there was a choice to not recruit him.

Modifié par diskoh, 10 janvier 2011 - 07:11 .

[MajesticJazz]

mrsph wrote...

Tali sort of insulted Jacob first. Though they were both acting childish.

But yet nobody seems to mention that.

[Stupidus]

Jacob was fine, but his weapon options are what made him not be a viable squadmate (I ditched him I think right after Freedom's Progress and when I recruited Grunt) compared to others. He should have been allowed to carry an AR and Shotty like Grunt and Zaeed, even if he is a biotic.

[diskoh]

Cause it's not like the organization Jacob works for committed atrocities against her or anything.

If Jacob can't handle it without being a douche, he needs to stay out of the debriefing room. I'm relieved that he's dead in 7 out of 8 of my playthroughs.

[RetrOldSchool]

I really liked Jacob, he came across like the most normal of the squad, but maybe that's the problem.



I liked him more than Kaidan, though he was obviously the fill in for Kaidan.