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[DarthCaine]

double post

Modifié par DarthCaine, 08 janvier 2011 - 11:53 .

[Great_Horn]

I would say DA:O is the winner in this comparison.

[DarthCaine]

Gunsmith Cat wrote...

For better or for worse, i took a screenshot of DA:O i made and slapped it next to a Sebastian shot. The background graphics of the DA:O shot are improved by a hd mod, but the character is unchanged.

http://img18.imagesh...8/5898/da2o.jpg

The textures of DA2 are incredibly low res

[nightcobra]

DarthCaine wrote...

Gunsmith Cat wrote...

For better or for worse, i took a screenshot of DA:O i made and slapped it next to a Sebastian shot. The background graphics of the DA:O shot are improved by a hd mod, but the character is unchanged.

http://img18.imagesh...8/5898/da2o.jpg

The textures of DA2 are incredibly low res

even despite that i still prefer it to pic on the left.

[Ryzaki]

The Masked Rog wrote...

Abd there aren't any dark animes out there? Really? They are all fairy tales?

/facepalms

Yes because that's totally what I said. <_<

Anime styled works for a dark JRPG. It does not in my opinion work for a dark WRPG.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 08 janvier 2011 - 12:12 .

[Sutamina]

I just hope that the amount of floating objects and buildings will be next to none.

[The Masked Rog]

Ryzaki wrote...

The Masked Rog wrote...

Abd there aren't any dark animes out there? Really? They are all fairy tales?

/facepalms

Yes because that's totally what I said. <_<

Anime styled works for a dark JRPG. It does not in my opinion work for a dark WRPG.

I don't even know how to start describing how wrong you are.

[Chaia]

I think the graphics in DA2 seam to be a bit hit and miss, in the 'Exiled Prince' trailer the robes on the Chantry preist looks good while Sebastian looks a tad low res. (I'm still wondering what version that trailer was made from i.e. PS3/360 or PC at low/high res)

But I still think the animation in that trailer looks good, cinematic/animation wise DA2 look better then DAO and its rather creepy eye contact.

Also while I like games to have amazing graphics like the Uncharted serise, its not the reason why I love BioWare games like Dragon Age, and at the end of the day I'd rather Dragon Age have mediocre graphics and amazing plot/characters, then mediocre plot/characters and amazing graphics.

Modifié par Chaia, 08 janvier 2011 - 01:57 .

[BTCentral]

The only thing I have seen so far that in my opinion looks worse, are the Hurlock.

Yes, graphics are more stylised, but I do not think to the extent that they look like cartoons/anime. Everything else we have seen so far looks pretty good to me. And the HD gameplay video was re-assuring.

Chaia wrote...

in the 'Exiled Prince' trailer the robes on the Chantry preist looks good while Sebastian looks a tad low res. (I'm
still wondering what version that trailer was made from i.e. PS3/360 or PC at low/high res).

I do agree with that, and was also wondering what platform it was on.

It doesn't seem like there's much, if any AA going on so if I had to guess, I would probably have said a console - though I could be completely wrong.

Modifié par BTCentral, 08 janvier 2011 - 01:44 .

[Gibb_Shepard]

I seriously can't believe they actually went backwards in the graphics department. DAO was already very far behind in the graphics department compared to other games, but this is even worse. Can anything substantial really be done to the textures in 2 months?

[Merchant2006]

After playing (most likely an unfinished game) the demo for DA2, I have to admit the visuals did look good but... nothing truly did impact me. I don't want to be coming across like a whiney "I need Crysis on my Dragon Age!"-type but I'd have expected the visuals would have been seriously trumped up for the next game.

Although I can see the difference and vast improvements, it's just... not enough bang-for-my-buck if you see what I mean ^^. Anyhow, I loved DAO and while I was a bit disheartened by the visuals, I eventually forgot about it and played the game to my hearts content.



I guess DA2 will do exactly the same, I'll love the game either way

[Rixxencaxx]

It's obvious that the graphic are worse.
Look at the textures of clothes...really i am shocked that previewers talk a lot about improved graphics.....maybe the didn't see the game and copy/pastes the PR sheets...

Gunsmith Cat wrote...

For better or for worse, i took a screenshot of DA:O i made and slapped it next to a Sebastian shot. The background graphics of the DA:O shot are improved by a hd mod, but the character is unchanged.

http://img18.imagesh...8/5898/da2o.jpg

[The Masked Rog]

Rixxencaxx wrote...

It's obvious that the graphic are worse.
Look at the textures of clothes...really i am shocked that previewers talk a lot about improved graphics.....maybe the didn't see the game and copy/pastes the PR sheets...

Gunsmith Cat wrote...

For better or for worse, i took a screenshot of DA:O i made and slapped it next to a Sebastian shot. The background graphics of the DA:O shot are improved by a hd mod, but the character is unchanged.

http://img18.imagesh...8/5898/da2o.jpg

I dunno, looking at that comparison I would have said the exact same thing. The art style is much improved.

[Rixxencaxx]

The Masked Rog wrote...

Rixxencaxx wrote...

It's obvious that the graphic are worse.
Look at the textures of clothes...really i am shocked that previewers talk a lot about improved graphics.....maybe the didn't see the game and copy/pastes the PR sheets...

Gunsmith Cat wrote...

For better or for worse, i took a screenshot of DA:O i made and slapped it next to a Sebastian shot. The background graphics of the DA:O shot are improved by a hd mod, but the character is unchanged.

http://img18.imagesh...8/5898/da2o.jpg

I dunno, looking at that comparison I would have said the exact same thing. The art style is much improved.

1) hair: the dao 2 hair looks unnatural, it is more like an helmet
2) skin color is unnatural too, plain and cartoonish
3) clothes are incredibly low res

yes but "art" style is improved....


I understand the reason why they keep gameplay videos so secret.
The game is out in 2 months and we have seen less than 2 minutes of gameplay....
Witcher 2 is out in 6 months and they showed an hour of gameplay
The same thing happened with dragon age 1, at this timeline they showed almost all of the origins gameplay videos...

Modifié par Rixxencaxx, 08 janvier 2011 - 03:11 .

[The Masked Rog]

1) hair: the dao 2 hair looks unnatural, it is more like an helmet

2) skin color is unnatural too, plain and cartoonish

3) clothes are incredibly low res

1) I don't give a damn about looking unnatural it looks damn good.

2) I enjoy the plain and cartoonish, often "2D" look

3) Have you looked at the grand cleric clothing? That is hgh-res.



And yes, the art style is now improved, with more stylized, cartoonish looks. The combat animations are particularly cool.

[errant_knight]

The Masked Rog wrote...

1) hair: the dao 2 hair looks unnatural, it is more like an helmet
2) skin color is unnatural too, plain and cartoonish
3) clothes are incredibly low res

1) I don't give a damn about looking unnatural it looks damn good.
2) I enjoy the plain and cartoonish, often "2D" look
3) Have you looked at the grand cleric clothing? That is hgh-res.

And yes, the art style is now improved, with more stylized, cartoonish looks. The combat animations are particularly cool.

Well, when the people who hate it and the people who love it cite the same reasons, they've probably succeeded in their stylistic goal. I don't think the resolution is really the issue here, but rather the modeling and the shaders/textures. Some people like it, some people (me) think it's really awful. Still, since we generally agree on what we're talking about, I'm, guessing this is the look they'd hoped to achieve, however inexplicable I may find it.

Modifié par errant_knight, 08 janvier 2011 - 03:40 .

[slimgrin]

I'm still not sure we aren't looking at an old build in that trailer. It just looks unfinished to me.

I suppose what people say about graphics not being the most important thing is true, but in this day and age people have come to expect good graphics - or at the very least for a sequel to look better than the first game. It is a visual medium.

Modifié par slimgrin, 08 janvier 2011 - 03:43 .

[Brockololly]

Ninotchka wrote...

The DA2 surrounding environments look less gritty yet still detailed but the characters themselves (those revealed) have a Sims 3 style pudding face complex which is disappointing. They look so puffy, less realistic and with no distinguishing features.

For instance, Sebastian's facial skin in the teaser video was so smooth it looked flat and cartoonish, whereas in DA:O you could see wrinkles, frown lines, facial discolourations and even pores on many npcs and companions.

Yeah, everything looks very flat and without depth in the DA2 footage we've seen thus far. I can't tell what that thing is on Sebastian's neck/back- I think thats supposed to be a fur lined hood, but it looks like someone vomitted a bunch of pixels on him.

And the faces look more unnatural and dead to me than Origins. Origins' faces were far from perfect but the DA2 ones just look stiff, flat, Botoxed up and devoid of any life. In the Sebastian trailer, the guy doesn't move his eyebrows at all- its like they're glued to his face. And the Chantry lady has the same bloated jaw look that so many others seem to have with the new face morph system- which comes across very Sims3-ish.

I just don't know whether this sort of stuff is how they intended it to look as part of the art design or if its simply symptomatic of them working on the graphics right now as part of their polish?

errant_knight wrote...

The Sebastian trailer pushed me from a general dislike of the new style to OMG, I'm actually going to
have difficulty playing the game because I find it so offputting. Hopefully, prolonged contact will numb me to it, because the acting seems to be the same high caliber that we're used to, and I'm really looking forward to the story.

I'm willing to forgive a lot graphically, but to me, especially in this trailer, it looked far worse than Origins. If all the characters have that sort of lifeless look with the Botox look, combined with the greater scrutiny of the cinematic approach, I'll have a harder time buying into the story as it looks like a bunch of action figures acting things out.

Modifié par Brockololly, 08 janvier 2011 - 03:44 .

[Rixxencaxx]

The Masked Rog wrote...

1) hair: the dao 2 hair looks unnatural, it is more like an helmet
2) skin color is unnatural too, plain and cartoonish
3) clothes are incredibly low res

3) Have you looked at the grand cleric clothing? That is hgh-res.

And yes, the art style is now improved, with more stylized, cartoonish looks. The combat animations are particularly cool.

This reminds me of dao 1 where you had mixed low and hi res textures...
what an improvement!!!

however i don't dispute about personal tastes...someone could like this style but for sure people can't say this the game has improved graphics...they are different but really not improved...

Modifié par Rixxencaxx, 08 janvier 2011 - 03:45 .

[Gavinthelocust]

They've only started the polishing stages I'd assume, everything is done now time to make it look better. Two months is longer than you think and by the time it's done I'm sure it'll look great.

[Rixxencaxx]

Gavinthelocust wrote...

They've only started the polishing stages I'd assume, everything is done now time to make it look better. Two months is longer than you think and by the time it's done I'm sure it'll look great.

pretty sure that textures are almost final....

Modifié par Rixxencaxx, 08 janvier 2011 - 03:49 .

[DarthCaine]

slimgrin wrote...

I suppose what people say about graphics not being the most important thing is true, but in this day and age people have come to expect good graphics - or at the very least for a sequel to look better than the first game. It is a visual medium.

I don't really give a damn about graphics, but they keep japing about how graphics are better and they've probably spent a lot of time and budget on that unnecessarily since IMO the graphics in the new trailer look like absolute crap, far worse than DAO and incredibly low resolution

[errant_knight]

Rixxencaxx wrote...

Gavinthelocust wrote...

They've only started the polishing stages I'd assume, everything is done now time to make it look better. Two months is longer than you think and by the time it's done I'm sure it'll look great.

pretty sure that textures are almost final....

And that the flat, 'drawn' look is intentional, not an unhappy accident that will go away....

[Gavinthelocust]

Rixxencaxx wrote...

Gavinthelocust wrote...

They've only started the polishing stages I'd assume, everything is done now time to make it look better. Two months is longer than you think and by the time it's done I'm sure it'll look great.

pretty sure that textures are almost final....

We'll see once the game releases, or maybe someone could confirm this for us.

[InvaderErl]

Rixxencaxx wrote...

The Masked Rog wrote...

1) hair: the dao 2 hair looks unnatural, it is more like an helmet
2) skin color is unnatural too, plain and cartoonish
3) clothes are incredibly low res

3) Have you looked at the grand cleric clothing? That is hgh-res.

And yes, the art style is now improved, with more stylized, cartoonish looks. The combat animations are particularly cool.

This reminds me of dao 1 where you had mixed low and hi res textures...
what an improvement!!!

however i don't dispute about personal tastes...someone could like this style but for sure people can't say this the game has improved graphics...they are different but really not improved...

I have to agree with this.

Its not a deal breaker for me or anything but after hearing about how DA2 was going to look significantly better than Origins and then writing off some of the early shots as merely being from an older or uncompleted build I have to say the game's really taken a hit in the visual department for no good reason.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 08 janvier 2011 - 03:54 .