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[Caradore]

@Nightodie thanks for the welcome.



Interesting reading everybody's impressions and how the different ways you play the characters affects the relationships.



Playing ME1 for the second time has given me a whole new insight into some of the nuances I missed first time around! Oh and Kaidan how I missed your voice LOL

[Cypher0020]

Really? I ususally speed run through ME1... I think I've beaten it at least 10 times, and the combat....-shudders-



I'm trying to see how the prothean visions and ME2 match up...... I think I remember the black sun....that'd be the Omega 4 relay right? Collectors?

[Chignon]

I found this on dA:




You can find the artist here.

[Cypher0020]

Oh that's a nice pic I love me some biotic glowyness myself



anyways... do you think Kaidan should more facial hair in ME3? I do find the five 'o clock shadow somewhat sexy.....

[Nightodie]

Hello Everyone!!! It's time to vote for the:



Kaidan Alenko Prompt Project





The prompt that we wrote or drew about:



Well, Red reminded me that it is the month of love. I couldn’t think of anything better. Then I was talking to Siri, and told her (whining of course) we already did presents (for Christmas). So I finally thought of something that might work, in an odd way.



Kaidan or Shepard is/are trying to find a way to spend Valentine’s day together and alone. Follow one of them (or both of them) for a bit, where, no matter how hard they try, nothing goes right.



Setting:

Can be anytime in the Mass Effect timeline.









Remember you do not have to be a KAAS Member to vote(you will have to PM me so I can send you the prompts)... All voters are welcome. Just look at the posts and pick you favorite and send it to me. The more that vote the more mail for me ... YAY!!!



So everyone, Send me your vote!!!



Let's go!!!!

[FireEye]

Caradore wrote...

Playing ME1 for the second time has given me a whole new insight into some of the nuances I missed first time around! Oh and Kaidan how I missed your voice LOL

There are a lot of nuances to ME1.  Heck, there are a lot of nuances surrounding Kaidan alone in ME1.  It's great. 

Chignon wrote...

I found this on dA:

[Kaidan Art]

You can find the artist here.

That's pretty awesome there. 

[CroGamer002]

Cypher0020 wrote...

Really? I ususally speed run through ME1... I think I've beaten it at least 10 times, and the combat....-shudders-

I'm trying to see how the prothean visions and ME2 match up...... I think I remember the black sun....that'd be the Omega 4 relay right? Collectors?

And no, that's star in system that Ilos is.

[Jenova65]

Chignon wrote...

I found this on dA:




You can find the artist here.

You find some lovely pics, Chig  This is really nice.

[Jenova65]

Cypher0020 wrote...

Oh that's a nice pic I love me some biotic glowyness myself

anyways... do you think Kaidan should more facial hair in ME3? I do find the five 'o clock shadow somewhat sexy.....

Definitely some five o'clock  When they showed the first Horizon cut scene with Lilith on the PS3 version, I could have sworn there was a 5 o'clock shadow and it looked pretty sexy but then by the time he turns up he looks clean shaven........ Maybe he was doing his ablutions while everyone was being abducted ;) Wanted to look good for Shep, heard she had landed...........

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

There is one thing I haven't really heard anyone's opinion of.

How is everyone's feeling on the fact that the Virmire Survivor is angry at Shepard for working for Cerberus, when the alliance (and the council) did not only completely ignore the missing colonies and doing nothing at all, but also chose to destroy Shepard's reputation?

I get why Kaidan or Ashley is pissed that Shepard shows up out of nowhere and is working for Cerberus. But I also get angry that they apperantly ignore the alliance and council's (and perhaps their own) own failures and betrayls. And the fact Shepard never really get to point those things out for them.

[Jenova65]

Lizardviking wrote...

There is one thing I haven't really heard anyone's opinion of.

How is everyone's feeling on the fact that the Virmire Survivor is angry at Shepard for working for Cerberus, when the alliance (and the council) did not only completely ignore the missing colonies and doing nothing at all, but also chose to destroy Shepard's reputation?

I get why Kaidan or Ashley is pissed that Shepard shows up out of nowhere and is working for Cerberus. But I also get angry that they apperantly ignore the alliance and council's (and perhaps their own) own failures and betrayls. And the fact Shepard never really get to point those things out for them.

Define how you think Kaidan or Ashley have betrayed Shepard or failed...... Cos without that vital piece of perspective it is hard for me to comment 

Tbh, from a middle ground view, VS is faced with a Shepard they have been mourning for two years, working for the biggest jerks of humanity. I would be wanting to know why my dead lover was standing there in the flesh, alive and well.....(ish) and not so much as an email, I wonder they don't tear Shepard a new one, if I'm honest! 

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Jenova65 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

There is one thing I haven't really heard anyone's opinion of.

How is everyone's feeling on the fact that the Virmire Survivor is angry at Shepard for working for Cerberus, when the alliance (and the council) did not only completely ignore the missing colonies and doing nothing at all, but also chose to destroy Shepard's reputation?

I get why Kaidan or Ashley is pissed that Shepard shows up out of nowhere and is working for Cerberus. But I also get angry that they apperantly ignore the alliance and council's (and perhaps their own) own failures and betrayls. And the fact Shepard never really get to point those things out for them.

Define how you think Kaidan or Ashley have betrayed Shepard or failed...... Cos without that vital piece of perspective it is hard for me to comment 

Tbh, from a middle ground view, VS is faced with a Shepard they have been mourning for two years, working for the biggest jerks of humanity. I would be wanting to know why my dead lover was standing there in the flesh, alive and well.....(ish) and not so much as an email, I wonder they don't tear Shepard a new one, if I'm honest!

The reason I put the "and perhaps their own" in ( ) is because I don't mean betrayel as in "Haha! I'm gonna completely destroy Shepard's legacy!!", but rather the fact that their failure to acomplish anything in the two years can be seen as a betrayel in it self (If that makes any sense).

Granted this is true for some of the other ME1 squadmates, only Wrex and Liara really seemed to care doing something about the bigger picture. Wrex went on and united the Krogans. Liara gave the galaxy a chance for Shepard to return and continue the fight, even if the chance was slim. 

-Garrus failed to keep his promise no matter what and went on to Omega and played Batman. Althrough people
gives him a pass because fate decides to give him another chance and bring him back to Shepard's crew in ME2.

-Tali just returned to her people and continue serve the fleet. Something she said she always was going to do, so
  i'm cool with it.

- Kaidan, Anderson and the alliance have apperently failed to do anything.

[fortunesque]

This is assuming that Ash and Kaidan aren't upset with themselves.



Personally, I think they are. They feel trapped where they are and angry that Shepard was forgotten and denounced. But they're doing what the *can* do, which is keeping a close eye on the Council. Anderson says something to the effect of "unfortunately Cmdr. Alenko couldn't find any evidence of the reapers". So that's what they're doing: if they can prove the existence of the reapers, then they can do something. Then all the pain and frustration would have meant something; then Shepard's death might have meant something.

[jeweledleah]

I like seeing Kaidan with just a hint of a shadow on his cheeks, he comes across as a very meticulous guy to me, although maybe if he's thrust into situation where you just have no option to stick to regulation, 5 o'clock shadow could be lovely.

I don't think VS betrayed Shep in any way. I also don't see alliance not doing anything for colonies, seeing as the major reason Kaidan is AT Horizon is to protect the colony form the abduction in a first place. alliance just cannot help Shepard directly (or tell Shep what precisely they are doing about the colonies) because of that pesky terrorist organization connection. From the very beginning, both Kaidan and Ashley come across as dedicated to alliance, exceptionally loyal to it. you can change how they see aliens but you cannot change their outlook on alliance and humanity. To see Shepard, a person they looked up to, someone so significant within alliance, in their lives...to disappear, for all their know pretend to be dead, and then come back as part of terrorist organization, organization that betrayed alliance - of course they are angry.

Tali doesn't join Shepard until much later, her first loyalty is still to the fleet. because she was always a peripheral ally rather then part of alliance, its easier for her to accept disappearance then reemergence of Shepard. she has serious issues with accepting Cerberus but she's thankful enough to Shepard for saving her not once, but twice to give some benefit of a doubt.

Garrus joins Shepard for basically the same reason he did in ME1 - to have a chance t do something that matter without having to deal with red tape. He doesn't trust Cerberus, but he was using terrorist like methods himself on Omega, his morality when it comes to methods of achieving necessary goals is a fair bit more flexible (remember Dr. Michel anyone?)

Wrex, yes, Shepard gave him his ability to care for his people again and try again, Wrex attempted it before, he just gave up until meeting Shepard. he didn't start something new, he continues with old plans.

Liara.....she's an interesting one. Her whole outlook changed. while my Sheps are mostly thankful for her bringing them back, they are not completely happy about the direction her life has taken and ask her if she's sure, several times. Liara's values have become very very flexible, her methods more ruthless.

in short, I never felt that VS betrayed Shepard in any way. I feel like their reaction was justified. Sheaprd's reaction was full of derp though...aaah, plot devices.

Modifié par jeweledleah, 07 février 2011 - 11:45 .

[mineralica]

What about main Shepard, she's extremely frustrated - Alyson is happy that there is a person who doesn't buy Cerberus tricks, she understands that Kaidan, in fact, hadn't got any reason to go with her, see the damage done by her two years long absense... but at the same time when you go straight to hell, you need in a person who may cover you. At least person who is trustworthy.

[Jenova65]

Lizardviking wrote...

Jenova65 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

There is one thing I haven't really heard anyone's opinion of.

How is everyone's feeling on the fact that the Virmire Survivor is angry at Shepard for working for Cerberus, when the alliance (and the council) did not only completely ignore the missing colonies and doing nothing at all, but also chose to destroy Shepard's reputation?

I get why Kaidan or Ashley is pissed that Shepard shows up out of nowhere and is working for Cerberus. But I also get angry that they apperantly ignore the alliance and council's (and perhaps their own) own failures and betrayls. And the fact Shepard never really get to point those things out for them.

Define how you think Kaidan or Ashley have betrayed Shepard or failed...... Cos without that vital piece of perspective it is hard for me to comment 

Tbh, from a middle ground view, VS is faced with a Shepard they have been mourning for two years, working for the biggest jerks of humanity. I would be wanting to know why my dead lover was standing there in the flesh, alive and well.....(ish) and not so much as an email, I wonder they don't tear Shepard a new one, if I'm honest!

The reason I put the "and perhaps their own" in ( ) is because I don't mean betrayel as in "Haha! I'm gonna completely destroy Shepard's legacy!!", but rather the fact that their failure to acomplish anything in the two years can be seen as a betrayel in it self (If that makes any sense).

Granted this is true for some of the other ME1 squadmates, only Wrex and Liara really seemed to care doing something about the bigger picture. Wrex went on and united the Krogans. Liara gave the galaxy a chance for Shepard to return and continue the fight, even if the chance was slim. 

-Garrus failed to keep his promise no matter what and went on to Omega and played Batman. Althrough people
gives him a pass because fate decides to give him another chance and bring him back to Shepard's crew in ME2.

-Tali just returned to her people and continue serve the fleet. Something she said she always was going to do, so
  i'm cool with it.

- Kaidan, Anderson and the alliance have apperently failed to do anything.

I really hate to nitpick, I see what you are saying  BUT Liara wasn't working for the bigger picture at all, by her own admission SHE couldn't let Shepard go. That doesn't mean she was thinking of the galaxy and it certainly doesn't mean she cares for Shep more, just that everyone had else accepted that Shepard was gone. She allowed Cerberus to basically experiment on Shep, if we want to dissect it, she allowed Shep to possibly undergo agonies and untold modification (including, if Miranda had been in charge a control chip) Kaidan or Ashley would not have handed over Shep's body BECAUSE they loved him/her and they know, as does Liara, what Cerberus are capable of!
The failing/betrayal (imo) was not Kaidan's, if that answers your question 

As for Kaidan, Anderson and the Alliance failing to do anything, that is as far as we know. They were certainly on Horizon trying  to defend the colonists and BEFORE Cerberus arrived too........... 

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Jenova65 wrote...
Really hate to nitpick, I see what you are saying  BUT Liara wasn't working for the bigger picture at all, by her own admission SHE couldn't let Shepard go. That doesn't mean she was thinking of the galaxy and it certainly doesn't mean she cares for Shep more, just that everyone had else accepted that Shepard was gone. She allowed Cerberus to basically experiment on Shep, if we want to dissect it, she allowed Shep to possibly undergo agonies and untold modification (including, if Miranda had been in charge a control chip) Kaidan or Ashley would not have handed over Shep's body BECAUSE they loved him/her and they know, as does Liara, what Cerberus are capable of!
The failing/betrayal (imo) was not Kaidan's, if that answers your question 

As for Kaidan, Anderson and the Alliance failing to do anything, that is as far as we know. They were certainly on Horizon trying  to defend the colonists and BEFORE Cerberus arrived too...........

It's true that Liara wasn't working for the bigger picture. But she did preform something that had a chance to be a great advantage in the bigger picture. It's true that the chances of it winding up and being something unpleasant (for Shepard) was big. But look at it from a pratical standpoint. Shepard was dead, and here's a chance to bring the commander back and continue the fight.

I said this in another thread. But one soldier and a couple of defence towers isn't an admirable preformance. And Kaidan's stationing was more based on the possibility of Shepard being there. Also, if it wasn't for Cerberus intervention. Horizon would wind up being a complete disaster.

[Jenova65]

Lizardviking wrote...

Jenova65 wrote...
Really hate to nitpick, I see what you are saying  BUT Liara wasn't working for the bigger picture at all, by her own admission SHE couldn't let Shepard go. That doesn't mean she was thinking of the galaxy and it certainly doesn't mean she cares for Shep more, just that everyone had else accepted that Shepard was gone. She allowed Cerberus to basically experiment on Shep, if we want to dissect it, she allowed Shep to possibly undergo agonies and untold modification (including, if Miranda had been in charge a control chip) Kaidan or Ashley would not have handed over Shep's body BECAUSE they loved him/her and they know, as does Liara, what Cerberus are capable of!
The failing/betrayal (imo) was not Kaidan's, if that answers your question 

As for Kaidan, Anderson and the Alliance failing to do anything, that is as far as we know. They were certainly on Horizon trying  to defend the colonists and BEFORE Cerberus arrived too...........

It's true that Liara wasn't working for the bigger picture. But she did preform something that had a chance to be a great advantage in the bigger picture. It's true that the chances of it winding up and being something unpleasant (for Shepard) was big. But look at it from a pratical standpoint. Shepard was dead, and here's a chance to bring the commander back and continue the fight.

I said this in another thread. But one soldier and a couple of defence towers isn't an admirable preformance. And Kaidan's stationing was more based on the possibility of Shepard being there. Also, if it wasn't for Cerberus intervention. Horizon would wind up being a complete disaster.

Well you asked our opinion and that is mine  Turning up too late to do anything and setting Shep up (more than once) is questionable at best. Tim hoped that Shep would prevail BUT it was a risk.....

[Cypher0020]

Ok... I just checked out the PS3 comic....oh god -shudders-



a good...kid..... REALLY??! Kaidan's older than Shep!



/rantoff



What happened to those colonists after Shep left? Moved elsewhere? Stayed on Horizon?

[jeweledleah]

Kaidan was stationed at Horizon becasue alliance got a tip it would be hit next..whether that tip originated with Tim is irrelevant at this point.

alliance cannot show open support to colonies outside of Council space, due to possibility of all out system war. sending anyone at all is already skating the edge, I can see why they try to keep it unobtrusive.

we don't know why towers weren't working precisely. Edi was able to fix them though and once she did - they were more then adequate to defend the colony, so I'd say alliance sending Kaidan and towers was very much doing everything they could

Edited to add - that PS3 comic is an autrocity agains ME1

Modifié par jeweledleah, 08 février 2011 - 01:11 .

[Ryzaki]

jeweledleah wrote..

Edited to add - that PS3 comic is an autrocity agains ME1

lulz I found something we actually agree on.

That abomination should be burned.

Kaiden indeed.

[mineralica]

Lizardviking wrote...

It's true that Liara wasn't working for the bigger picture. But she did preform something that had a chance to be a great advantage in the bigger picture. It's true that the chances of it winding up and being something unpleasant (for Shepard) was big. But look at it from a pratical standpoint. Shepard was dead, and here's a chance to bring the commander back and continue the fight.

I said this in another thread. But one soldier and a couple of defence towers isn't an admirable preformance. And Kaidan's stationing was more based on the possibility of Shepard being there. Also, if it wasn't for Cerberus intervention. Horizon would wind up being a complete disaster.

Yes, it was.
"After two years of rebuilding Shepard finally was brought back to life. Using her connection with Tali'Zorah, cerberus agents infiltrate on the ships of flotilla, partially wiping off the inhabitats and partially enslaving them to roduce the starships for the common good. Shepart denies her connection with Cerberus.
After the continuous development of cure for genophage it was released on Tuchanka with one string attached - people needed to join the united army under the Shepard's colours to get it. After the negotiation with Urdnot Wrex, Shepard has persuaded him to create a strong disciplined army of krogans. With this forces and using the reason of "discussing things with Councilor Anderson" small group of Cerberus agents get to the Citadel, capturing the Council and part of galactic government. Using the total mess in Council races, lost their main politicians, and newfound allies Cerberus strikes at keypoints of Council Fleet. In  the terms of disorganisation Collectors threat is presented, and the only solution people see is joining the forces of Shepard.
They finally wipe out the Collectors, leaving base to Cerberus. Krogans and vorcha were initially used to produce the new Reaper, but after it was understood that more advanced race is needed, so they pick relatively close to humans asari. Reborn Shepard with her Grayson-like implants and controlling chip becomes the "brain" of it."
Prepared for the Reapers invasion? Likely.
But "don't trust to TIM" is the only thing sweetening Horizon for my Shepards.

[meonlyred]

Speaking of Horizon, I FINALLY managed to make it through ME1 without romancing Kaidan. Not because of a ninja-romance but more 'cause I can't help myself. Anyways! FemShep on Horizon non-romantic Kaidan. Is it weird I kind of like this verison more. Yeah they are one of my favorite couples, but I 'm kind of liking the idea of them as best-friends and comrades.

But on to topic. I've been wondering what all we don't see going on in ME2. Shepard comes back from the dead and is handed straight into TIM's hands. She really isn't getting a lot of outside input, nor do I think it would even be possible for her to get it. Nearly everyone she meets outside of Cerberus is suspicious of her.

I believe that Horizon has a lot of plot that we don't fully understand right now. It might be me picking every little thing apart but whatever. I seems to me that Kaidan is by himself on Horizon. Why doesn't he have a full team or unit? And this might be a minor thing, but does anyone else think it is odd that Kaidan said he is reporting back to the Citadel and not Arcturus? Yeah he is working for Anderson. But why is he just working for Anderson and not stationed on another Ship or station?

Modifié par meonlyred, 08 février 2011 - 01:39 .

[Jenova65]

meonlyred wrote...

Speaking of Horizon, I FINALLY managed to make it through ME1 without romancing Kaidan. Not because of a ninja-romance but more 'cause I can't help myself. Anyways! FemShep on Horizon non-romantic Kaidan. Is it weird I kind of like this verison more. Yeah they are one of my favorite couples, but I 'm kind of liking the idea of them as best-friends and comrades.

But on to topic. I've been wondering what all we don't see going on in ME2. Shepard comes back from the dead and is handed straight into TIM's hands. She really isn't getting a lot of outside input, nor do I think it would even be possible for her to get it. Nearly everyone she meets outside of Cerberus is suspicious of her.

I believe that Horizon has a lot of plot that we don't fully understand right now. It might be me picking every little thing apart but whatever. I seems to me that Kaidan is by himself on Horizon. Why doesn't he have a full team or unit? And this might be a manor thing, but does anyone else think it is odd that Kaidan said he is reporting back to the Citadel and not Arcturus? Yeah he is working for Anderson. But why is he just working for Anderson and not stationed on another Ship or station?

Psssssst............................. *whispers* A spectre would be reporting to the Citadel, to the council, to Anderson who ought to be on the council (and shame on anyone who picks Udina, lol) 

[jeweledleah]

@ Meonlyred blah, its the same exact text the only difference is a handshake rather then a hug (he doesn't tell you he loved you unless you picked the right options, even if you romanced him in ME1 btw - found that out the hard way on my first play through had to redo praetorian fight in order to get the conversation I wanted :/ )

@Jenova - I definitely like the idea of Kaidan being another spectre  (but that also means Ashley is a spectre and I like her, but I'm not so sure she'd make as good of a canditate as Kaidan)

@ Ryzaki ROFL

Modifié par jeweledleah, 08 février 2011 - 01:50 .