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[MizzNaaa]

I love the fact that he's got curly hair...I mean yeah I envisioned it as straight combed back hair, but I like curls on him just as much. Heck i'd love him even if his bald, so maybe i'm biased lol

[meonlyred]

This is how I always use to see his hair when it was messy.
Aimo - Hello, Again
Warning 1: It is kind of NSFW. A bit of side boob action and smexy scene.
Warning 2: It is one of the most heart wenching Mass Effect comics I have ever seen. It still gets me choke up. But mercy, it is how I feel about Horizon.

God I wish Aimo was more of a Kaidan fan, her art is amazing.

Modifié par meonlyred, 09 février 2011 - 03:43 .

[Ryzaki]

Gah for a non romance Shepard, Kaidan made me want to kick him in the face at Horizon.

It's not just the fact that Shepard got kicked in the boot with idiot ball but Kaidan refuses to think about anything other than Cerberus even if you have both Tali and Garrus with you! That should've sent some alarm bells. (And if not Tali and Garrus [because of a lack of hacking the game] you can have 2 aliens with you!) Instead he rages at you and storms off. My Shep would've thrown a rock at the back of his head if possible.

Everyone else at least is willing to give Shep a chance. Instead Kaidan acts like Shepard's an idiot.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 09 février 2011 - 03:47 .

[sesheta255]

MizzNaaa wrote...

I love the fact that he's got curly hair...I mean yeah I envisioned it as straight combed back hair, but I like curls on him just as much. Heck i'd love him even if his bald, so maybe i'm biased lol

lmao, yeah with that voice, it really doesn't matter what he looks like and you can always keep the lights off

[jeweledleah]

wait a minute... the curly hair wasn't just my imagination??? I thought it was that because the only other explanation is copious amounts of hair-gel, and I'm not sure about someone who gets headaches from bright lights and noise would want to put goop on his hear and risk another headache source.



springy hair can actually be very lovely to the touch



I'm kinda glad that Kaidan didn't just fall into my Shep's arms with "I trust you even if all evidence is against you" it was heart wrenching and it sucked but at the same time, I'm glad that someone doesn't just blindly follow Shep, because that would be the person she could trust to give it to her straight and fight with her if necessary to snap her out of it if she gets too single minded and starts cutting corners. As much as I adore Garrus and as much as my Shep trusts him at my back, he's more likely to just go along with her then butt heads if needed.

[leggywillow]

Ryzaki wrote...

Gah for a non romance Shepard, Kaidan made me want to kick him in the face at Horizon.

It's not just the fact that Shepard got kicked in the boot with idiot ball but Kaidan refuses to think about anything other than Cerberus even if you have both Tali and Garrus with you! That should've sent some alarm bells. (And if not Tali and Garrus [because of a lack of hacking the game] you can have 2 aliens with you!) Instead he rages at you and storms off. My Shep would've thrown a rock at the back of his head if possible.

Everyone else at least is willing to give Shep a chance. Instead Kaidan acts like Shepard's an idiot.

::shrug::  I understand it.

For one thing, I do think Kaidan has his reasons to be suspicious and mistrustful of Shepard.  I mean, what's more likely, that Shepard was dead and resurrected (even in 2185, a miracle and unprecedented feat, unless Kaidan is a believer in Jesus Christ... and by definition that doesn't add much to the "scientifically credible" argument) OR that she faked her own death and lied to everyone?  I think deep down Kaidan doesn't think Shepard would do that to him... but can you imagine how physically sickening it must be to have that kind of doubt about someone you trust?

Basically, I imagine Kaidan's mind = BLOWN by the entire situation, plus the fact that adrenaline is probably still racing from the attack.  It'd be nearly impossible to take a step back and analyze everything coolly and rationally, which I'm sure he did later.

People say things they regret when they're emotional.  Sometimes those things are deeply offensive and/or irrational.  I know I do.

[Ryzaki]

leggywillow wrote...
::shrug::  I understand it.
For one thing, I do think Kaidan has his reasons to be suspicious and mistrustful of Shepard.  I mean, what's more likely, that Shepard was dead and resurrected (even in 2185, a miracle and unprecedented feat, unless Kaidan is a believer in Jesus Christ... and by definition that doesn't add much to the "scientifically credible" argument) OR that she faked her own death and lied to everyone?  I think deep down Kaidan doesn't think Shepard would do that to him... but can you imagine how physically sickening it must be to have that kind of doubt about someone you trust?

But Kaidan doesn't say that Shep's a fake. And (I'm personally talking about my male dude Shep who wouldn't be lovers with him). He says he doesn't think Shep's thinking. He's calling Shepard a fool and saying he'd skip after Cerberus because he believes any BS they spew without proof. It's insulting. If he had thought Shepard was some Cerberus trick I would've been fine with it. Instead he acts like it actually is Shepard.
"Maybe you're the one not using reason." 
I mean really I was facepalming during most of the convo. Yes Kaidan. Shep's turned into Cerberus' puppet. Uh huh. That's why the bug creatures are taking people away. Because of Cerberus. And they enlisted Tali and Garrus' help for...some reason. And resurrected Shepard to help with this...for some other strange reason.  

Basically, I imagine Kaidan's mind = BLOWN by the entire situation, plus the fact that adrenaline is probably still racing from the attack.  It'd be nearly impossible to take a step back and analyze everything coolly and rationally, which I'm sure he did later.
People say things they regret when they're emotional.  Sometimes those things are deeply offensive and/or irrational.  I know I do.

Ah true. I still want a punch in face interrupt. <_< My Shep can regret giving him a black eye.
Or at least to go "Uh...do you think? Do yah think?" If Shep burst out into that stupid girls song remixed for Kaidan and Cerberus with the alliance I would've died in laughter.
"Hey Kaidan. My whole unit was killed by Cerberus! I certainly didn't turn into their fanboy just because they resurrected me!" 
Where oh where have the smart people gone indeed. You know somethings wrong when the only person who seems to be thinking is TIM.
I'm not even asking for him to follow Shep. But suggesting he's Cerberus tool was just...urgh. GAH! <_< And it's not even like he didn't see the Collectors dragging people off!

Modifié par Ryzaki, 09 février 2011 - 04:37 .

[SilentK]

Curly hair sounds lovely   =)   I'm all for it.

Just playing around with the idea of VS dlc. Don't know if everyone here has played DA but in that game we have Leliana, a really sweet rouge who is a bi LI. In one of the dlc:s you get to play her before the events in DA takes place "Leliana's song" . I thought it was a fun dlc, watched my husband play it. His warden romanced Leli so I got that dlc for him     

It could be fun to have a piece of dlc that had parts of it where you played either Kaidan or Ashley, not superlong but just and intro into what they have been doing for the time that you where away. Have some memory that Kaidan tried to find evidence to show to the council. Perhaps seeing that meeting, then finally knowing what sort of info that TIM let them have regarding shepard and cerberus. Just some ideas, nothing superserious   =)  my last bit of ME before heading into the office for today           

[Cypher0020]

meonlyred wrote...

This is how I always use to see his hair when it was messy.
Aimo - Hello, Again
Warning 1: It is kind of NSFW. A bit of side boob action and smexy scene.
Warning 2: It is one of the most heart wenching Mass Effect comics I have ever seen. It still gets me choke up. But mercy, it is how I feel about Horizon.

God I wish Aimo was more of a Kaidan fan, her art is amazing.

Oh that was good! I've loved Aimo's work ever since KOTOR, and this does not disappoint. So sad however....

[Commander Kurt]

Ryzaki wrote...

But Kaidan doesn't say that Shep's a fake. And (I'm personally talking about my male dude Shep who wouldn't be lovers with him). He says he doesn't think Shep's thinking. He's calling Shepard a fool and saying he'd skip after Cerberus because he believes any BS they spew without proof. It's insulting. If he had thought Shepard was some Cerberus trick I would've been fine with it. Instead he acts like it actually is Shepard.
"Maybe you're the one not using reason." 
I mean really I was facepalming during most of the convo. Yes Kaidan. Shep's turned into Cerberus' puppet. Uh huh. That's why the bug creatures are taking people away. Because of Cerberus. And they enlisted Tali and Garrus' help for...some reason. And resurrected Shepard to help with this...for some other strange reason.  

-snip-
I'm not even asking for him to follow Shep. But suggesting he's Cerberus tool was just...urgh. GAH! <_< And it's not even like he didn't see the Collectors dragging people off!

Seriously, if you ever get resurrected after being dead for two years, get ready to be insulted if you run into any loved ones who you hadn't managed to contact yet. Especially if you plan on telling them you work for a terrorist organisation now.

They might not believe you, or think you are all that sane. It could get.. insulting.



But, jokes aside, are you really surprised by the reaction on Horizon?

[Ryzaki]

Commander Kurt wrote...

Seriously, if you ever get resurrected after being dead for two years, get ready to be insulted if you run into any loved ones who you hadn't managed to contact yet. Especially if you plan on telling them you work for a terrorist organisation now.

They might not believe you, or think you are all that sane. It could get.. insulting.



But, jokes aside, are you really surprised by the reaction on Horizon?

If my family saw first hand random aliens were dragging people off and I stopped them I'd think them a goddamn idiot for believing rumors that originated with saying that I was helping with the kidnapping!

Huh. Who would think that if one rumor was completely off base others might be too. Or even those other rumors had been morphed beyond all recognition? I mean nah it's not like Kaidan is used to BS being spread as truth. Particularly by the alliance. Nope. He totally is ignorant to things like that.

I was very surprised by how much of a blindsided fool Kaidan was. Especially when he showed himself to be more level headed in ME1. If nothing else I expected him to hear Shepard out instead of going on about Cerberus controlling Shepard. Especially when Shepard can show up with two aliens that worked with Kaidan in ME1. Aliens. Not Cerberus operatives. Aliens that worked with him before that he knows aren't with Cerberus. Or hell even two aliens that Kaidan has never seen before. Huh. He doesn't stop to go: "Why would aliens be willing to work with Cerberus?" Nope. Too much thinking involved right there.

He didn't even have the "I wubbed you." excuse with a non romantic Shepard. He wasn't any closer to Shepard than a normal subordinate and commander. Yet he flips completely out? He's not Shepard's family. Shepard is not part of him. Kaidan is not Shepard's loved one all the time. Hell Kaidan might not even be Shep's friend. They could've talked to each other a grand total of four times. And all of those times were mission orientated.

My family members aren't the most sane around to begin with and they aren't  under a command chain. They also aren't involved in the military.

They also aren't...you know not my family.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 09 février 2011 - 07:49 .

[SilentK]

Cypher0020 wrote...

meonlyred wrote...

This is how I always use to see his hair when it was messy.
Aimo - Hello, Again
Warning 1: It is kind of NSFW. A bit of side boob action and smexy scene.
Warning 2: It is one of the most heart wenching Mass Effect comics I have ever seen. It still gets me choke up. But mercy, it is how I feel about Horizon.

God I wish Aimo was more of a Kaidan fan, her art is amazing.

Oh that was good! I've loved Aimo's work ever since KOTOR, and this does not disappoint. So sad however....

Ohh... I would love to see something more of her concerning Shepard and Kaidan. Wish I had any artistic talent 

[Commander Kurt]

Ryzaki wrote...

If my family saw first hand random aliens were dragging people off and I stopped them I'd think them a goddamn idiot for believing rumors that originated with saying that I was helping with the kidnapping!

Huh. Who would think that if one rumor was completely off base others might be too. Or even those other rumors had been morphed beyond all recognition? I mean nah it's not like Kaidan is used to BS being spread as truth. Particularly by the alliance. Nope. He totally is ignorant to things like that.

I was very surprised by how much of a blindsided fool Kaidan was. Especially when he showed himself to be more level headed in ME1. If nothing else I expected him to hear Shepard out instead of going on about Cerberus controlling Shepard. Especially when Shepard can show up with two aliens that worked with Kaidan in ME1. Aliens. Not Cerberus operatives. Aliens that worked with him before that he knows aren't with Cerberus. Or hell even two aliens that Kaidan has never seen before. Huh. He doesn't stop to go: "Why would aliens be willing to work with Cerberus?" Nope. Too much thinking involved right there.

He didn't even have the "I wubbed you." excuse with a non romantic Shepard. He wasn't any closer to Shepard than a normal subordinate and commander. Yet he flips completely out? He's not Shepard's family. Shepard is not part of him. Kaidan is not Shepard's loved one all the time. Hell Kaidan might not even be Shep's friend. They could've talked to each other a grand total of four times. And all of those times were mission orientated.

My family members aren't the most sane around to begin with and they aren't  under a command chain. They also aren't involved in the military.

They also aren't...you know not my family.

Put frankly, what are you talking about? You are the one telling Kaidan/Ashley that you are with Cerberus before they chew your head off. They're not believing any rumours before you confirm the rumours are true.

They're angry because you tell them you're with Cerberus now. And, you are! You are with Cerberus now. Tali and Garrus are also working for Cerberus. It doesn't much matter why Tali and Garrus would work for Cerberus, they are.

No, they're not family. Maybe family could be expected to be so insanely gullible as to think "Oh, I should hear this person out" after someone was dead for two years and suddenly turned up saying "Hey, how you been, I'm with Cerberus but it's for the right reasons". A normal person would tell you to go f*ck yourself if that happened.

I'm not trying to be as harsh as I may sound, the discussion is interesting and I enjoy getting your POV. To Kaidan/Ashley, joining Cerberus is like keeping the Collector Base for ParaShep. There isn't a situation where that could be justified. There's always a better way. Plus, you let them think that you were dead when you obviously weren't (you're standing there talking to them). Now, after thinking about it they still offer to hear you out but their knee-jerk reaction is WTF!?

Too much thinking indeed. The only logical conclusion in this situation is that Shep is full of sh*t. That's the only one that exists. Actually having someone reaching it makes me like the VS more (and Tali/Garrus alot less).

[AkodoRyu]

sagequeen wrote...

meonlyred wrote...

I had always envisioned it more straight and when he doesn't have it combed back in hangs down a bit.

me too!

you mean like this?


Mass Effect: Kaidan by ~Goha7777 on deviantART

*shameless*
You guys wait for my fluffy Valentine sketches >.>

[catabuca]

Jenova65 wrote...

 *Saunters in.....................looks around*
*Saunters back out real casual like..* 
I played Jade Empire way back when and was completely oblivious to the fact that Sky was romanceable for male and female. Even then it favoured male gamers tbh. A male could choose Dawn Star, Silk Fox and Sky. Female gamers had Sky and Silk Fox...
So yet again a game company pander to heterosexual male gamers. No surprise.
Hetero male = two options
Hetero female = one 'option'
Lesbian = one 'option'
Gay man = one 'option',
The choices are even more restrictive in ME.... It is true you can't make an apple into an orange and by that token as a heteroseual woman Liara is never going to be the fruit on my menu. But it is ONLY gay men excluded here, that is what causes the issues.
However as I said, I didn't even know that Sky was male romance too, it was never alluded to in my game. And that is the way it could/should be. It is pretty easy to flag a LI as hetero/gay, whatever just by player response to some innocuous trigger question. If a woman wants to think her male LI is only interested in women it is easy to set up that dialogue, same goes for homosexual dialogue.... So that the fantasy is the same for all. Hurts no one, and opens up the exerience for all  (imo)

Absolutely.

This isn't and never has been about a section of gamers trying to 'impose' anything on any other gamers. This has always been about the inherent unfairness of s/s romance being included for femShep but not for manShep. Simple as that. If the option was there for neither of them then, while I'm certain many would still wish it were, there wouldn't be as much strength of feeling over the matter.

If femShep and manShep are essentially alters of each other, why is only manShep's sexuality prescribed?

[catabuca]

Chignon wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...
private and doesn't talk about prior relationships other then adolescent crush (and it doesn't matter that it was more about illustrating a separate point then to spill his guts about his private life) = he never had any = either closet homosexual or creepy (although the guy who waited till 31 years of age for his first sexual experience because he wanted it to be a threesome - that's perfectly fine :/ - go figure)

Let me get this straight - because Kaidan did not share stories of his past relationships with a superior officer, you - or Ryzaki? - assume that he never had any and, therefore, he is "creepy" or a "closet homosexual"?

Indeed. I'm still waiting to see where Ash talks about her prior relationships. Or Liara.

[catabuca]

*ahem*

Apologies for dredging all that ^^ back up. I was reading the thread chronologically from where I left off yesterday and replying as I came across things. As you were.

[Commander Kurt]

catabuca wrote...

Absolutely.

This isn't and never has been about a section of gamers trying to 'impose' anything on any other gamers. This has always been about the inherent unfairness of s/s romance being included for femShep but not for manShep. Simple as that. If the option was there for neither of them then, while I'm certain many would still wish it were, there wouldn't be as much strength of feeling over the matter.

If femShep and manShep are essentially alters of each other, why is only manShep's sexuality prescribed?

Basically, I'm a minority in the gaming community myself (being a lady, or something like that) and I positively LOVE being able to relate to the main character. It's not often I do. And I get that it's not possible to make a game where everyone does. Still, it does feel kinda crappy when you only exclude one group and invite everyone else for the party. There's just no point in doing that.

Kaidan is straight, or so it seems. Shep is what you want him/her to be, or so it seems. Creating this difference between Femshep and Manshep is as stupid as if only Manshep could become Spectre (Femshep just keeps playing as a Commander).

[sapphyreelf]

MizzNaaa wrote...

I love the fact that he's got curly hair...I mean yeah I envisioned it as straight combed back hair, but I like curls on him just as much. Heck i'd love him even if his bald, so maybe i'm biased lol

Pretty much this. (Except the bald part. I very rarely enjoy the bald look on a guy.)

I envisioned his hair more straight originally, but seriously, the curls are sexy as hell. But I am biased there because my RL boyfriend has hair that is exactly the same way (which surprises me that I never once though Kaidan's hair was curly before the texture was noticed). From the looks of things, they are super tight curls too. Which does seriously limit what you can do with your hair. (Hence the bump) Still sexy though.

Edit: Not enough Kaidan on the page:

Modifié par sapphyreelf, 09 février 2011 - 11:26 .

[jeweledleah]

Commander Kurt wrote...

catabuca wrote...

Absolutely.

This isn't and never has been about a section of gamers trying to 'impose' anything on any other gamers. This has always been about the inherent unfairness of s/s romance being included for femShep but not for manShep. Simple as that. If the option was there for neither of them then, while I'm certain many would still wish it were, there wouldn't be as much strength of feeling over the matter.

If femShep and manShep are essentially alters of each other, why is only manShep's sexuality prescribed?

Basically, I'm a minority in the gaming community myself (being a lady, or something like that) and I positively LOVE being able to relate to the main character. It's not often I do. And I get that it's not possible to make a game where everyone does. Still, it does feel kinda crappy when you only exclude one group and invite everyone else for the party. There's just no point in doing that.

Kaidan is straight, or so it seems. Shep is what you want him/her to be, or so it seems. Creating this difference between Femshep and Manshep is as stupid as if only Manshep could become Spectre (Femshep just keeps playing as a Commander).

Remember, Liara is not exactly a woman  (its brain sex with asari, touch may or may not be involved) - it probably would have been better if they had managed to make asari look truly androgenous, but then they would have to rewrite the whole  "goes out and parties untill she's reached matron years" thing, no to mention they wouldn't be able to have males of every species (or at least human males) drool over their mammary glands, Kaidan included  (I love that conversation he and Ash have in chora's den ).  I think in case of femshep canon its more of a "its ok becasue its you" thing, then actual same sex romance.

whatever bioware might have done, at this point, they already set the story and existing characters along specific rails and I still don't think it was done to exclude any specific groups.  I don't know how beleivable having all 3 characters avaialbe for romance be bisexual would have been  (which just might be the reason they scrapped it), but it would have been a lot easier to accept Kaidan for example as bisexual if he was that way from the start of the published unmodded game.  And to quote a very eloquent statement:

I just don't want to be in a situation where a character who wasn't bi/gay in ME1 suddenly becomes bi/gay in the next chapter.
I get that bi/gay players want the option and it doesn't worry me that much as I won't take that option,  but I don't want to get to a point where every character in game has to be bi or gay to satisfy everyone.

And that said (I'm really bad at keeping my mouth shot, aren't I :/)

Kaidan really doesn't start walking away from you untill you yourself confirm your Cerberus association.  he's angry with you, but I've had normaly calm people get angry with me if I'd dissapread on them without warning and then showed up again acting like nothing happened.  and I didn't presumably fake my death, making them grieve and feel survivor's guilt  (faked death is a lot easier to believe into then resurection and maybe just maybe if they didn't obey orders and stayed to help with Joker, Shep wouldn't have been spaced, but now it seems Shep sent them away so that they could fake their death and they are supposed to trust this person now?). 

Shep doesn't exactly act like they are undercover and concidering Cerberus past experiments/history (they have experiemented on humans plenty and they've used aliens for they nefarious purposes before - Akuze and Kahoku anyone?), brainwashing is also likely, something that Kaidan or Ash point out.  they just don't know if you are being delusional or controled in some way (not the same as idiot) but they do know that they are going nowhere on an aknowledged cerberus vessel and expecting them to just say "oh ok" is insulting to them IMO.  especialy concidering Sheprard's derp responces and lack of actual meaningful explanation.

curly hair is awesome..and can be beyond annoying to cut well though as it doesn't look the same wet as it does dry.  my mom has very similar hair and her brother's hair is this really right springy texture, so I grew up with hair envy (I got my fathers side of the family hiar - straight as a board :/), untill I saw how much trouble mom had finding someone who could make her hair look good O_O.

Modifié par jeweledleah, 09 février 2011 - 11:44 .

[catabuca]

On the 'asari aren't female' issue: rather than dredge it all up here, I'll just say there have been discussions over and over again about this. The position seems pretty simple to my eyes at least: asari consider themselves mono-gendered. Mono = one, not none. Otherwise it would be 'non-gendered'. The language they use is feminine, they use feminine titles and feminine pronouns. They say gender has no meaning for them in their culture, since there is only one gender. For a Shepard (of either gender), asari appear to look like women. Regardless of how asari view themselves, a human looks at an asari and sees a female body form. If Liara enters into a relationship with femShep, for Liara that relationship has no connotations of being lesbian, because lesbian and gay are not concepts that exist in asari culture. For femShep, the relationship is a lesbian one, because to femShep's eyes, Liara is female. What is more, to the gamer playing the through the romance, Liara looks female and appears female.

It is certain erroneous dev statements in the past that have complicated the matter (along with people who find the idea of gay icky ... simple - don't do it then). Certain statements from certain members of BW have asserted that Liara and all asari are not female. This directly contradicts the in-game lore, directly contradicts their appearance to real life gamers, and directly contradicts the conversations you have with Liara. The reasons for this slip up on the dev's part are unknown (although there is plenty of speculation, ranging from "he's not good at answering questions like that" to "he just doesn't know the in-game lore as well as hardcore fans" to "he's avoiding the issue because he realises a) it's contradictory and insulting to have a f/f romance in the game and not a m/m one, and he doesn't want to squick out the 'no gays in space' crowd by affirming Liara is female").

tl;dr - simply put, Liara and other asari appear female (to us and to human characters in-game), refer to themselves with female pronouns, and therefore can reasonably be described as female.

Anyway, back to Kaidan ...

Modifié par catabuca, 09 février 2011 - 12:11 .

[Collider]

I don't think Kaidan's behavior on Horizon was particularly in character, imo.

[Commander Kurt]

jeweledleah wrote...

I think in case of femshep canon its more of a "its ok becasue its you" thing, then actual same sex romance.

I guess that's where we disagree, I never really got the "its ok becasue its you"-thing. If you're a lady and you're sexually turned on by Liara, then you're not straight in my book. You just aren't. Even if Liara is the only non-male you ever got the hots for. Somehow claiming to be straight when you want to do it with someone who has the same equipment as yourself just sounds like you REALLY want to consider yourself straight. As if it was somehow better.

I'm not saying you feel this way, I'm just really not getting it.

But disagreeing is okay too.


EDIT; And you're saying alot of smart things in your post, I'm not commenting on them because I agree with them completely!

sapphyreelf wrote...

Edit: Not enough Kaidan on the page:

QFT! And yay, curly!

Modifié par Commander Kurt, 09 février 2011 - 12:17 .

[jeweledleah]

I guess we'll agree to disagree and to be perfectly honest, that particular trope never rang true to me, but it seems to be popular enough to be used a lot and work in conjunction with several other tropes like memetic sex god as just one example (TV tropes are seriously ruining my life, yo, that website is beyond addictive). I know there was this one time where I felt turned on by a woman. not as much as felt attracted to her and never enough to actual follow through, but that woman just ooooooozed sexuality, I don't even know how to describe it other then walking sex. wasn't her physical looks (though I wouldn't call her ugly, I wouldn't call her beautiful either - exotic, vibrant I guess would work), just the way she carried herself and looked at you. never felt attracted to a woman before or after that time and have zero desire to touch women as anything other then a friend. but I guess that one exception makes me bi? that or trope is not as off base as it seemed before?



Liara and Shepard link minds. I see the attraction as something coming from that link. we don't even know if asari have primary sexual characteristics of humans or what exactly azure is. just stating possible reasoning here.



and to bring it back to Kaidan - my Shepard's mission if she chooses to accept it is to get Kaidan to smile more often

[sesheta255]

Personally I thought Kaidan was completely in character on Horizon, and I totally understood why he ws angry. I know a lot of people think that Kaidan would have waited for Shepard to explain but Shepard was too busy derping, and Kaidan would have been in shock. It's one thing to hear rumours that Shepard's alive, but another to actually have someone you thought for 2 years was dead standing in front of you.



In the romance in ME1, he tells Shepard when they steal the Normandy that he wouldn't be there if he didn't think they were doing the right thing, so it was nice to see a character actually stick to their convictions and not just follow Shepard blindly because she/he is Shepard.



But we all read into things differently which is not a bad thing. I don't think anyone is right or wrong in this case.